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Post by rdm on Feb 5, 2018 22:43:04 GMT
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Post by rdm on Jan 31, 2017 23:43:21 GMT
There used to be a very enigmatic graffito in the vicinity of Subway Junction (between Paddington main line station and Westbourne Park) which said 'Far away is close at hand in the image of elsewhere'. This even merited a mention on the radio programme 'Quote/Unquote' a number of years ago.
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Post by rdm on Sept 30, 2016 22:17:28 GMT
Worth remembering the stairs to the eastbound platform were much wider, until the mid-1980s (i think). Certainly COP/R and D Stock the rear two doors had to be cut-out. It would not be possible to start a westbound service from the eastbound platform as too many doors would be off the end of the platform. On S Stock 5 doors would require to remain closed, SDO is only available to 3 doors. There are other examples of colour light signals being used for reversing moves, which would never carry passengers - Aldgate East. Was there not a time when there was a scheduled passenger move with a Picc line train (either very early morning or very late night) reversing in the EB platform at WK. or is my memory playing tricks?
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Post by rdm on Jun 17, 2016 16:13:29 GMT
That's right, plus Loughton Inner Distant (disc).
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Post by rdm on Jun 17, 2016 14:46:16 GMT
I do have a scan of this picture (a copy of which I purchased from the old Record Office at Edgware Road many years ago) but as it is copyright I don't think I am at liberty to place it on this board. If it is for research or study purposes I might be able to send it to you privately.
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Post by rdm on Apr 27, 2016 19:37:45 GMT
It means people buying period tickets at origin for a station just up the line, plus a similar 'short' ticket at destination end and then travelling 'free' in the middle part of the journey. I can recall a snap revenue check at Ealing Broadway many years ago at the interface between what was then BR and the LT lines finding this to have been anything but a rare occurrence (e.g., Hayes & Harlington to Southall plus Tottenham Court Road to Holborn). Presumably this involves a station where you can get to a ticket machine without having to go through a barrier? How many LU stations do not have ticket barriers? And, any idea where the name comes from? Several people here seem to be aware of it but Google isn't (at least not in the first entries). I imagine the name reflects the fact that some donuts are circular with a hole in the middle (like a large Polo mint) and the portion of the illegal journey not covered by the tickets could be termed the 'hole' in the middle too...
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Post by rdm on Apr 27, 2016 14:30:01 GMT
It means people buying period tickets at origin for a station just up the line, plus a similar 'short' ticket at destination end and then travelling 'free' in the middle part of the journey. I can recall a snap revenue check at Ealing Broadway many years ago at the interface between what was then BR and the LT lines finding this to have been anything but a rare occurrence (e.g., Hayes & Harlington to Southall plus Tottenham Court Road to Holborn).
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Post by rdm on Feb 5, 2016 15:46:47 GMT
BBC News twitter feed says the planned action has been suspended so far as train and station ops are concerned (confirmed by TfL Travel Alerts feed) but that the engineering side action continues.
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Post by rdm on Oct 9, 2015 22:08:50 GMT
Thanks for clarifying my post - I had conflated the two changes to the layout! Apologies.
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Post by rdm on Oct 9, 2015 19:59:04 GMT
The junction was known as Stanmore Junction. The change from a flat to a grade seperated junction occurred in two stages between 26 June and 25 September 1954; this work also seperated the Bakerloo (as it then was)services at Wembley Park so that the line served dedicated seperate platform lines as now with the Met main and local lines no longer conflicting with them. Supplements to T/Cs 25 and 38 of 1954 refer. There is an advert. in the last but one issue of UndergrounD News for a CD of Supplements to Traffic Circulars from 1931 to 2007 under the title of 'Signalling Record Society(SRS)Research Note No. 42', the results of much work by a small group of interested people, in conjunction with the SRS.
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Post by rdm on Jun 17, 2015 22:02:33 GMT
Thanks for that Dstock.
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Post by rdm on Jun 17, 2015 19:02:16 GMT
Although not 'new' as such, I travelled today on the Picc line for the first time for a while and observed some fairly major civils work being done on the trackbed of the former Up Goods line between Acton Lane Jn and the WB DR and Picc flyovers at Fishers Lane. It appears to be the construction of a roadway, but I'm not sure quite where such a road would lead as there is no access to existing roads and no room for any development such as housing between the said WB Richmond line and the 'main line' embankment. Can anyone shed some light on this please?
Thanks.
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Post by rdm on May 18, 2015 20:12:02 GMT
Welcome to DD.
I suspect the reason may be (unless soemone knows differently) that until a train leaves Wood Green for the Westbound the system west of Wood Green does not 'know' what its description is. This is because there is a reversing siding at Wood Green and trains can be interposed there 'between' trains en route from Arnos Grove. Manor House would be similarly affected. This was certainly true at several stations immediately beyond a transmitting point but with the signalling and thus the TDs being modernised the situation may well now be different.
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Post by rdm on Apr 17, 2015 19:12:54 GMT
There was a TfL tweet earlier today to say that the work has been postponed UFN and that the Wells Terrace entrance will remain in use pro tem.
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Post by rdm on Feb 11, 2015 20:11:14 GMT
Thanks also from me. I must have missed any notification that may have been in the last bulletin from the Retired Staff Travel Facilities office at Darlington. So long as the Freedom Passes continue to be granted I won't have to worry about this at present.
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Post by rdm on Feb 11, 2015 15:22:51 GMT
An allied question if I may please - after all local ticket offices are closed how will one be able to purchase privilege tickets on request? It was bad enough when ticket office hours were reduced and as I am now ancient enough to have a Freedom Pass I'm not affected, but I do have priv-entitled friends from outside London. I seem to recall that on the Tyne & Wear Metro the priv. rate equated to the child rate and enforcement was via the on-train revenue protection staff, but I'm not sure that would work on LUL.
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Post by rdm on Jan 19, 2015 23:46:16 GMT
Just to confirm, the most advanced controlled signal on the Down at Ricky is JP43, between Ricky and Chorley Wood. I can also confirm JT10 on the Up at Chalfont is correct.
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Post by rdm on Jan 1, 2015 16:21:04 GMT
There are precious few 'bolt holes' (as opposed to reversing crossover points) on the DR side of the SSR now, so personally I don't think it would be a good idea to remove both MH and TH bays and leave nowhere between EC/GR and West Ham 'loop' in which to place a defective train. If anything, altering one of the two existing bays so that WB trains can be recessed might be a better idea IMO.
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Post by rdm on Nov 21, 2014 12:17:43 GMT
Thanks for your responses - I've often wondered what triggers the 'next xxx train in yy mins' messages. Is that feed additional the 'normal' TD stream? (Note for Mods - if this now drifts into the technical side please feel free to move any follow up to the appropriate 'Board' - thanks!).
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Post by rdm on Nov 17, 2014 23:38:35 GMT
At approx 11.15 on above date I noticed the legend 'Next Edgware Road train in 10 mins' displayed at the bottom of the indicator. I didn't have a camera with me unfortunately.
What might have caused this to be so? The only thing I can think of may be that there was an engineer's train in the queue from somewhere west of the station that was due to head for Lillie Bridge (or may be Neasden via Baker Street) crossing over to the DR east of the station, but it would be good to have this theory confirmed or denied please.
Sorry for the late report - I've been offline from then until today.
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Post by rdm on May 9, 2014 16:48:36 GMT
Further to mine above, purely by accident and quite by chance I was at Chiswick Park this afternoon, and I can confirm that the location is as I quoted above, the picture having been taken from the west end of the westbound district platform looking towards Acton Town. The repeater signal (now colour-light of course) is still in the same location and most likely on the same post and would most likely have been converted to a colour-light signal in the 1950s. It carries the number R627. I didn't have my camera with me, otherwise we could have obtained a 'then and now' comparison!
RDM
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Post by rdm on May 9, 2014 13:41:55 GMT
The "outside" shot is actually labelled 'Chiswick Park'. From the curvature and the houses in the background I suspect the train is just crossing the bridge over Bollo Lane on the Eastbound Fast (Piccadilly) line. For those not aware of the configuration hereabouts, the tracks are, from North to South, EB District, EB Picc, WB Picc, WB District, and the westbound pair are slightly lower than the eastbound ones.
RDM
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Post by rdm on Feb 6, 2014 10:59:22 GMT
Or the Teign Valley line - not ideal as mainly single, but still a bolt-hole in emergencies such as this loss of the sea-wall stretch of the main line.
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Post by rdm on Feb 3, 2014 16:52:06 GMT
Perhaps because Upminster is the source of a good many trains?
RDM.
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Post by rdm on Nov 29, 2013 14:50:15 GMT
Thanks DSOM. That explains how it is now possible for the platform TDs to operate fully (errors and exceptions omitted!). My previous information re the programme machines was obviously out of date.
RDM
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Post by rdm on Nov 29, 2013 8:24:57 GMT
Ah, yes - thanks. I'd missed that connection. I use the app far more often than I do the website.
RDM
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Post by rdm on Nov 27, 2013 20:19:34 GMT
Thanks for responses. The last time I heard, Earls Court Regulating Room's venerable programme machines were still in valiant service! I have often wondered how it is that up to now the TDs on the branches have been dormant but a well-known mobile phone app can provide the relevant information currently, including all roads on four-tracked sections. I imagine the app somehow gets a feed from Trackernet but I know not how, as it is not available to the interweb generally so far as I am aware.
RDM
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Post by rdm on Nov 27, 2013 15:54:09 GMT
I travel fairly regularly on the Heathrow branch and spotted yesterday that at South Ealing at least, on the fast lines, the dot matrix signs were actually 'working', giving info on up to four trains at a time. They were not working last week so I suppose there must have been a software upgrade over the past weekend. Those on the Local lines were not active, though.
Does anyone know whether these indicators are now working west of South Ealing, or on the Rayners Lane/Uxbridge line, please?
Thanks.
RDM
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Post by rdm on Apr 17, 2013 10:59:03 GMT
MRFS42, as a matter of record, I assume that pre-1932 there was actually a signal box at Hanger Lane Jn? I have seen an ancient picture of the interior of Ealing Common 'box taken before it took over the signalling of that junction but with space on the illuminated diagram for the junction to be shewn. I used to live within sight of the junction and would be fascinated to see any pictures or diagrams for a box at HLJ - do you by any chance have such documents in your archive, please? I am aware that in the late 1950s/early 1960s the whole area came under a combination of Acton Town and Ealing Broadway, prior to being subsumed into Earl's Court's control area, and that during the time when Ealing Common (WM) was still open there were fewer wrong routings at HLJ because of the use of the mark one eyeball by the signalman there when wrongly described trains appeared!
Many thanks.
Russell.
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Post by rdm on Apr 16, 2013 14:30:23 GMT
I'm puzzled by the lack of a Hounslow destination, but if by 'Barons Court' is meant 'West Kensington West' (the box that used to straddle the Piccadilly lines east of Barons Court station) then I feel that may be the best fit for this equipment. On second thoughts re 'Hounslow' being missing there would have needed to have been another transmitter to cover all possible destinations - South Harrow, Rayners Lane and Uxbridge are also missing, as are District destinations East of 'City' (unless anything east of Earl's Court went as 'City' to another box which would re-describe them forward). Russell. Sorry - I seem to have interposed in the discussion by replying to an older message. Richmond and LMR Goods are also missing if it was used at WKW... R.
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