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Post by zcap on Sept 27, 2016 19:41:04 GMT
Hi all. Call me blind but every time I pass by West Kensington, I try to spot the signal but have never quite managed to find it. Ive found the reversing stopping marker thats beyond WB31/34 (not sure if thats how you write it), so I assume the wrong road starter isnt right at the west end of the platform. Could anyone sort of describe where I should look? Thanks  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 19:57:25 GMT
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Post by zcap on Sept 27, 2016 20:11:37 GMT
Now *that* is a good shot  Thanks for that, ive been looking in completely the wrong place (down by the tracks, doh!) |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 20:26:48 GMT
Now *that* is a good shot Thanks for that, ive been looking in completely the wrong place (down by the tracks, doh!) There is a fixed red light mounted to the tunnel wall just beyond the crossover. The reason for this, I imagine, is that the crossover and wrong road starter are not currently really set far back enough, which means, as you allude to, that trains reversing in platform 2 must draw out of the platform and stop at the stopping marks on the eastbound main, in order to get the rear of the train fully behind WC9 and to allow the crossover to release. One could, conceivably, forget to draw forwards (as is rumoured to have happened) and, unthinkingly, change ends and head off down the eastbound in the wrong direction. www.trainweb.org/tubeprune/route%20and%20track%20diagrams.htm#West%20Kensington%20and%20Lillie%20Bridge (bottom of the page) |
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Post by zcap on Sept 27, 2016 21:11:07 GMT
Now *that* is a good shot Thanks for that, ive been looking in completely the wrong place (down by the tracks, doh!) There is a fixed red light mounted to the tunnel wall just beyond the crossover. The reason for this, I imagine, is that the crossover and wrong road starter are not currently really set far back enough, which means, as you allude to, that trains reversing in platform 2 must draw out of the platform and stop at the stopping marks on the eastbound main, in order to get the rear of the train fully behind WC9 and to allow the crossover to release. One could, conceivably, forget to draw forwards (as is rumoured to have happened) and, unthinkingly, change ends and head off down the eastbound in the wrong direction. www.trainweb.org/tubeprune/route%20and%20track%20diagrams.htm#West%20Kensington%20and%20Lillie%20Bridge (bottom of the page) Indeed ive noticed the FRL and trainstop (I think), with much frustration. My interest on this signal was piqued by that article and that fateful Picc train, but after travelling Westbound on numerous occasions I never quite noticed the signal. Now I see why! Hardly the worlds best sighting position. But it definately is an interesting signal, I think. Talking of reversals, ive not noticed a S|R board along the EB main. Is there a plan to remove the crossover guarded by WC9 or has LU just not placed the provision for S stock reversals? |
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Post by zcap on Sept 27, 2016 21:19:33 GMT
Btw, you can notice the FRL in the picture, reflecting off of the train body.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 21:24:58 GMT
There is a fixed red light mounted to the tunnel wall just beyond the crossover. The reason for this, I imagine, is that the crossover and wrong road starter are not currently really set far back enough, which means, as you allude to, that trains reversing in platform 2 must draw out of the platform and stop at the stopping marks on the eastbound main, in order to get the rear of the train fully behind WC9 and to allow the crossover to release. One could, conceivably, forget to draw forwards (as is rumoured to have happened) and, unthinkingly, change ends and head off down the eastbound in the wrong direction. www.trainweb.org/tubeprune/route%20and%20track%20diagrams.htm#West%20Kensington%20and%20Lillie%20Bridge (bottom of the page) Indeed ive noticed the FRL and trainstop (I think), with much frustration. My interest on this signal was piqued by that article and that fateful Picc train, but after travelling Westbound on numerous occasions I never quite noticed the signal. Now I see why! Hardly the worlds best sighting position. But it definately is an interesting signal, I think. Talking of reversals, ive not noticed a S|R board along the EB main. Is there a plan to remove the crossover guarded by WC9 or has LU just not placed the provision for S stock reversals? Although it seems WC9 has been moved since the incident described in that article. The S7s will draw up to the limit of shunt board placed at the track side, not in the four foot. However, the crossover is nevertheless due to be moved, although not removed. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 23:11:56 GMT
WC9 has never been moved also to reverse a train the normal EB starter clears the driver pulls forward just past the points 24b and then this allows WC9's to clear.
For a train leaving Lillie Bridge Depot going West the whole route including WC9 has to be cleared before the outlet shunt from the depot clears.
There is no plans to replace or move 12's crossover at West Kensington anytime soon.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 23:14:19 GMT
Oops forgot to add if anyone goes there today it's currently showing a no red yes it been reported |
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Post by zcap on Sept 28, 2016 3:58:10 GMT
Oops forgot to add if anyone goes there today it's currently showing a no red yes it been reported Gosh, now I feel inclined to treck across town to see that, hopefully before its fixed I gotta ask though, since technically, WC9 is a colour light signal, if such a move had to be done, say a Richmond to Upminster service, had to be turned short at West Ken for whatever reason back the way it came, could passangers be carried past WC9? I ask because WC9 isnt a shunt disc and im a tad confuzzled as to why it isnt :/ |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Sept 28, 2016 5:57:57 GMT
Worth remembering the stairs to the eastbound platform were much wider, until the mid-1980s (i think).
Certainly COP/R and D Stock the rear two doors had to be cut-out.
It would not be possible to start a westbound service from the eastbound platform as too many doors would be off the end of the platform. On S Stock 5 doors would require to remain closed, SDO is only available to 3 doors.
There are other examples of colour light signals being used for reversing moves, which would never carry passengers - Aldgate East.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 6:51:41 GMT
Signalling wise all colour light can be passenger moves it's down to the operating department within LU to decide if they want passengers ran over them routes.
Examples that come to mind WD30 in the Barons Court siding
In and out of West Ham siding
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 7:29:42 GMT
Oops forgot to add if anyone goes there today it's currently showing a no red yes it been reported Gosh, now I feel inclined to treck across town to see that, hopefully before its fixed I gotta ask though, since technically, WC9 is a colour light signal, if such a move had to be done, say a Richmond to Upminster service, had to be turned short at West Ken for whatever reason back the way it came, could passangers be carried past WC9? I ask because WC9 isnt a shunt disc and im a tad confuzzled as to why it isnt :/ Sorry it's been relamped last night |
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Post by rdm on Sept 30, 2016 22:17:28 GMT
Worth remembering the stairs to the eastbound platform were much wider, until the mid-1980s (i think). Certainly COP/R and D Stock the rear two doors had to be cut-out. It would not be possible to start a westbound service from the eastbound platform as too many doors would be off the end of the platform. On S Stock 5 doors would require to remain closed, SDO is only available to 3 doors. There are other examples of colour light signals being used for reversing moves, which would never carry passengers - Aldgate East. Was there not a time when there was a scheduled passenger move with a Picc line train (either very early morning or very late night) reversing in the EB platform at WK. or is my memory playing tricks? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2016 14:42:05 GMT
First Picc used to run into the E/B platform as mentioned above
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