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Post by angelislington on May 26, 2012 1:20:34 GMT
Interesting - liking the inclusion of bus, cable car & boat!
If it's circular, in theory you could start anywhere on those routes. They don't have to start at Wimbledon, that's just what seemed a good starting point for me. Norbiton - including Thameslink's a good'un. Like that.
Will be fun when we can include Crossrail as well...
next is to think about how long it would take and then actually do it one day!
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Post by angelislington on May 22, 2012 21:10:58 GMT
Hey folks, Earlier today I was musing over what route I would pick, if I wanted to cover every single type of line in London. Where would you go? Rules: circular route must include cut & cover, deep level, Tramlink, DLR and Overground I don't see why non-TfL lines and other transport (taxis, river) can't be used. I thought I would go Tramlink: Wimbledon to West Croydon Overground: to Canada Water Underground: (Jubilee, deep level) to Canning Town DLR: to Bank then walk through to Monument, and Underground: (District, cut & cover) to Wimbledon Not happy with this, because I'd love to include the first section of deep-level (Stockwell to Bank) and the first section of cut & cover (Paddington to Farringdon). So I'm going to keep thinking about it. BTW a pdf map of all lines is here.
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Post by angelislington on May 7, 2012 19:17:43 GMT
Educating passengers, sorry customers, is the only way forward. And that hasn't worked in close on 100 years, so...
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Post by angelislington on Apr 28, 2012 15:28:20 GMT
I can't see Strand on the Northern Line. Probably some historical reason for my ignorance no doubt! You're not wrong. It's totally missing! The map above shows Bakerloo - Piccadilly (now Piccadilly Circus) - Trafalgare Square (now Charing Cross) - Charing Cross (now Embankment) - Waterloo (name unchanged. Northern - Leicester Square - Charing Cross (now Embankment) - Waterloo (And here's the missing station on the Northern: we now have Leicester Square - Charing Cross - Embankment - Waterloo.) District - Westminster - Charing Cross (now Embankment) - Temple We should have the was-Strand-now-Charing Cross showing on that map. I wonder why not?
For those who don't quite get all these name changes, here's a summary: Strand as in Aldwych was temporarily closed and was used during WWII to store valuables from the British Museum, amongst other things. Strand as in Charing Cross is a whole other kettle of fish... Modern-day Charing CrossBakerloo came first, calling it Trafalgar Square. Northern came the following year, calling it Charing Cross (it was designed to connect with the mainline station of the same name). There was no interchange below surface and were treated as two separate stations. In 1914 when the Northern extended south (see Embankment, below) the Northern station was renamed Charing Cross (Strand).In 1915 the Northern station was renamed Strand. At the same time, Piccadilly Line's Strand was renamed Aldwych. In 1973, the Northern station closed to enable construction of the Jubilee line platforms. In 1979, the Northern station reopened and the Jubilee station opened. Together with the new interchange connecting with Trafalgar Square (Bakerloo) station, all three stations were called Charing Cross. Modern-day Embankment:
District came first, calling it Charing Cross. Bakerloo came next, calling it Embankment. N.B.: Below-surface interchange was provided but they still had different names! Then the Northern built an extension - the Charing Cross loop - which had a station here on the northbound bit. The Bakerloo and Northern stations were both called Charing Cross (Embankment). The District station was still called Charing Cross. In 1915 they called the whole lot Charing Cross. In 1974 it became Charing Cross Embankment. In 1976 it became Embankment.
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Post by angelislington on Apr 26, 2012 20:44:22 GMT
It however doesn't show the Victoria Line - which confused someone on Twitter. LOL ;D I'd love to get hold of a copy of that for myself. Any idea which journal? Thanks v for sharing.
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Post by angelislington on Apr 26, 2012 20:01:11 GMT
<snip>When going up keep it behind you for the same reason as previously, but don't let it drag you back if it's small. And keep a hold of the handle. Otherwise you might turn round and find it fell backwards and nestled into the plumpness of the gentleman behind you ;D
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Post by angelislington on Apr 6, 2012 11:24:06 GMT
Could it be from "Handling London's underground traffic " by JP Thomas? From memory that had a few nice diagrams in it. Quite possibly, although due to having our entire book collection boxed up awaiting us getting shelves in the study, I'm unable to confirm or deny! All I know is that it was drawn round about the time the crossover was planned and executed, so 1920s. It's occurred to me that The Eagle diagram is also labelled wrongly!
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Post by angelislington on Apr 6, 2012 9:22:42 GMT
Just out of interest, the poster is actually inaccurate. The lines that emerge on the bottom left are actually the City branch, and the ones on the right are actually the CX branch. The reason for this is that Euston and Kings Cross on the City branch are east/west from each other, rather than north/south. That means the line has to swing out west in order to come back round for Euston and be in the right direction to head east for Kings Cross, without a complicated or nasty curve. In doing so, it swings quite a way around Mornington Crescent station. Incidentally, this also means that Mornington Crescent is also on the wrong side of the tube map/journey planner, being shown on the left of the two branches from Euston to Camden Town. Here's a track diag from my files. I'm sorry, I can't credit it or say where it's from, I've lost that info. I have a bmp version at 1.5Mb if anyone would like it.
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Post by angelislington on Jan 10, 2012 21:34:53 GMT
Ant and Dec. The most boring things I can think of. LOL class - unfortunately the names have to be female I tried going down the saints route but all the associated saints are male. All the ones I could be bothered to find, at any rate! Other than that, I'm devoid of inspiration. Boo.
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Post by angelislington on Jan 10, 2012 21:05:27 GMT
I didn't - thanks for explaining.
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Post by angelislington on Dec 15, 2011 20:16:28 GMT
I'm sure Chris W took a pic of me sat on one last year when we took the "last" Chesham shuttle, however I suspect it has disappeared down a fotopic shaped plug-hole as an hour of searching has only led me to AI's shoes. EDIT: I don't think it's just the DMs as we weren't in one coming back; it was definitely a car-end though. They're not DMs, those are Clarks.
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Post by angelislington on Nov 24, 2011 23:00:36 GMT
It's possible that you'll never really know until the papers come out - people here who might be more in the know might also be obliged to keep schtum. Does indeed sound likely, though, that they stole the ticket machine! Wow.
(Makes me wonder, how many transactions are cash nowadays anyway? Idle wondering... please don't waste your time answering!)
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Post by angelislington on Nov 22, 2011 18:52:41 GMT
Pure conjecture, but it might be a good area to create an east of London, out-of-town transport hub, in the same way it seems to me that Heathrow is, out west. I don't know how much there is in the way of land that can be renewed for such a purpose in that area?
It does strike me, speaking to some of the guys I work with (my students, from places like Hackney, Tottenham, Leyton etc) that the good jobs in London are *in* London, not in the suburbs, and they don't always have the cash to actually commute into the centre. So if a separate thriving focal area can be developed, that seems to me a good idea.
So maybe it's down to more strategic, wider-focussed planning?
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Post by angelislington on Nov 18, 2011 13:07:06 GMT
Tread a little carefully, folks; let's not veer into line names and politics but stick with the topic at hand - the benefits of joining Southeastern's metro services to LO.
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Post by angelislington on Nov 14, 2011 21:25:39 GMT
Just out of interest, what makes it drive nicely? (or for that matter, what makes it bad?)
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Post by angelislington on Nov 2, 2011 15:21:08 GMT
Thanks for that link, ChrisM. There are other planned closures as well, but that one seemed the worse - apart from next weekend, 12 and 13 Nov, when the whole thing is shut.
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Post by angelislington on Oct 26, 2011 17:28:16 GMT
2 units do: 06.20 Marylebone - High Wycombe 07.10 High Wycombe - Marylebone 08.13 Marylebone - High Wycombe 09.12 High Wycombe - Marylebone That's a long turn-around time, presuming that the 0620 makes the 0710 and ditto with the later pair. MarLB to Wyc can be done in half an hour or even quicker, so these must stop absolutely everywhere. Anyway I didn't realise the sections you quote are now on the Overground. Coo.
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Post by angelislington on Jul 18, 2011 20:21:30 GMT
UCH was rebuilt totally over the last few years so maybe it was that? It was stinky in the mid-90s when I was at UCL. I think your suggestion, DavidH, is top. I'm going with that. (And yes, I have noticed that it's dustier than other stations.)
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Post by angelislington on Jul 8, 2011 18:40:35 GMT
You know what? I was sure that Sloane Square had escalators down to platform level some time back. I can't find any proof of this now. It's not quite 'outside', but many of the SSR lines are very open at the platform area. It never occurred to me that ice and corrosion would be a bigger problem than electrics. But duh! I guess that's why I asked the question
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Post by angelislington on Jul 4, 2011 19:08:08 GMT
Quite a few stations I can think of have external escalators - that is, ones which are outdoors rather than being tucked away underground in a nice cosy station. How are leccy problems avoided?
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Post by angelislington on Jul 3, 2011 22:00:54 GMT
AI...the book's called 253 by Geoff Ryman,it comes into our shop from time-to-time.... Yay! Thank you, slugabed, that's been bugging me.
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Post by angelislington on Jul 3, 2011 21:29:14 GMT
I'm going to be really pants here and list two books whose names and authors are evading me at present There's a book about a final journey of a Bakerloo Line train which features the driver as one of the characters. The plot assumes a train is completely full, with every seat occupied and no-one standing. Every person on the train gives a narrative of what they're thinking. It's called 254 or something - based on a B'loo car having three pairs of longitudinal seats (so 36 people) and seven cars. With the driver and poss another member of staff, natch. This kind of bugs me as I'm sure the cars actually have 2 pairs of longitudinal seats (24 seats), and 4 pairs of transverse (16 seats) - total of 40, so 280 + driver and other = 282. Hey ho, I digress. I also read a fun book about a guy who, the night before his wedding, bets his best friend (a tube geek) that he can't do every station in one day. If he wins the bet, he gets back his passport and flight tickets - the tickets to get to his wedding. It's fun, like I said, but rather implausible. I can't remember if any staff members feature but I'm sure they do, at Upminster or somewhere. Update: MRFS42 has just reminded me, this is Tunnel Vision by Keith Lowe. Then of course there's Tunnel Visions: Journeys of an Underground Philosopher which was written by an actual CSA at Tot Ct Rd, Christopher Ross. Not quite fiction, though - but a very entertaining read nonetheless.
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Post by angelislington on Jun 22, 2011 19:27:35 GMT
It's a funny one, because when I think about it I can't identify why, exactly, I find it unprofessional - but I do. I wouldn't dream of chewing gum or eating when I have a student with me and in fact I feel quite uncomfortable having a cuppa on the go (but I think that's mainly because I haven't the means to offer them a cup also) and it often ends up stone cold by the end of a session.
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Post by angelislington on Jun 19, 2011 21:55:02 GMT
There's a video? <clickyclick> ooh!I'm really glad the Paolozzi is staying. It's a bit funky and in-yer-face when you're travelling through first thing in the morning with a bit of a ~hmm~ headache - but it's a stunning bit of art nonetheless.
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Post by angelislington on Jun 19, 2011 19:52:11 GMT
Just a little point, guys - this thread does seem to be doing a bit of roundyroundy now with opinions and viewpoints which aren't shared by all... let's not forget that the breakaway wouldn't have occurred in the first place were it not due to a failed coupling. Keep happy and nice to each other or I'll put on my stompy boots!
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Post by angelislington on May 22, 2011 16:06:25 GMT
Fascinating. The image here is much the same, a little clearer in layout but far fewer details. In this, we can say it was drawn no later than 1915, as the District station is Charing Cross, but the deep-level Bakerloo and CCE&HR stations both Embankment - all three were renamed Charing Cross in 1915. However the pic above posted by ianvisits, it's certainly true that it can't be later than 31st December 1922 due to the name of the mainline station; but as for an 'earlier than' date, no indication is made as to station name of the Underground lines. You can't see the polarity of the running lines on the Bakerloo, which would confirm pre- or post-1917. I've been trying to establish when the emergency pump was installed (mentioned on the far left-hand side of the picture, above the Bakerloo and below the topsoil, if that makes sense). CULG states: I'm aware that this only refers to flood prevention frames rather than an emergency pump, so I'm back to square one on that reference. Looking on the very right-hand side of the pic, we can see that LCC trams ran trailer cars in rush hour, which happened between 1913 and 1924. So, still no nearer the 'no earlier than'. Hmm. All told, an absolutely wonderful pic. I wonder where it comes from?
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Post by angelislington on Mar 18, 2011 17:54:35 GMT
The first time I saw Dave was on the District Line driver's eye DVD and was struck by the coolest of ways he pushed his shades back up. I kind of couldn't really believe that the guy I was watching on my telly was the founder of this site, was a real person, not just a snappy made-up name. This site gave me my first inkling that I wasn't a freak for being an Underground nut (even if that green line rather leaves me cold, lol) - or, more specifically, that I wasn't the only young, female fan out there. The friendliness and knowledge on here is second to none, and I was proud as punch when he and his team chose me to become a Mod. When I actually met the man himself, I couldn't believe how unassuming and nonchalant he was about what he'd created. He seemed almost embarrassed! We immediately hit it off - although, I can see how it would be damn near impossible not to hit it off with such an easy-going, generously-spirited gent - and within minutes were gabbling away about music, musicianship, gigs, singing... he recommended his son's band The Mercurymen as one to check out and he was right, I love their CD. He'd heard of lots of the same obscure stuff I had which was fantastic. It was like meeting a friend again after a 10 year gap. He was such a good man, a gentle man, talented and fun and wise...
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Post by angelislington on Feb 7, 2011 18:25:37 GMT
BBC's Mastermind series featured a bunch of questions on the history of London Underground last week. Viewable here.* I did much better than the contestant; MRFS did better still. All I can assume is that the poor contestant was as nervous as anything - I know I'd be. The questions really weren't what I'd expect of a 'mastermind' level. Either that or I'm more of a geek than I thought! ;D *sorry to non-Brits - don't think it's viewable outside the UK.
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Post by angelislington on Jan 28, 2011 17:55:43 GMT
Is #3 Rye?
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Post by angelislington on Jan 8, 2011 15:20:59 GMT
Hey folks, just browsing around and I found this site, full of some really well done 'then and now' pics. Some random phots included in this guy's stream so just have a browse. Fascinating.
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