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Post by spsmiler on Aug 20, 2021 22:31:11 GMT
From Sat 4 September at Hammersmith 22A/B and 23A/B points will be plain-lined, thus preventing eastbound local trains access to the fast (Picc) line and eastbound fast trains access to the eastbound local (District). Piccadilly trains departing Acton Town platform 4 must not accept WL106 route 1 (EB local) District trains departing Acton Town platform 4 must not accept WL106 route 2 (EB fast) to Hammersmith District trains can be reversed via Barons Court sidings in extreme circumstances. Does that mean Piccadilly line trains can't serve District line stations anymore during closure? (Well at least for Chiswick Park and the odd Stamford Brook) In a way Stamford Brook is like a variation of the station on the Paris Metro where only trains travelling in one direction have a platform, trains travelling in the opposite direction run through non-stop... whilst on a downward sloping section of track. I think this station was only given one platform because it is on a loop.
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Post by spsmiler on Aug 20, 2021 22:21:51 GMT
The TfL Programmes & Investment Committee meeting in March 2021 was told that by the end of 2021 the Bakerloo line should see the completion of eight trains with LED lighting, wheelchair bays and RVAR compliant grab poles, with a complete Passenger Information System installation on one train. Compliance as far as the trains are concerned but step free access to the platforms on the line is minimal. I don't know if they've managed to produce a working ramp design for the stations north of Queens Park to get wheelchairs on and off the trains. At some stations the height difference between train floor and platform is so great that any sort of ramp would need to be dangerously steep.
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Post by spsmiler on Aug 20, 2021 22:17:30 GMT
Yikes and cringe ... will something rebuilt and something new be opening or will there be egg on face?
What a saga....
ps: in between me opening this message and me pressing the 'post quick reply' button the forum decided to throw me out and make me log in again. I then had to refresh this page, fortunately I had copied the message to the clipboard so did not lose it.
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Post by spsmiler on Aug 20, 2021 22:10:00 GMT
I'm wondering how many of these trains actually passed the remaining BR goods trains which ran until the mid 1960s and passenger trains which ran until 1970?
Or maybe the BR trains ran at such obscure hours that the Hainault - Woodford shuttle was not in operation at the same time as them?
Certainly in the Woodford area the Class 105 diesel multiple unit trains travelled on tracks which were equipped for automatically driven trains, both 1960 and 1967 tube stocks.
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Post by spsmiler on Aug 20, 2021 22:01:09 GMT
Another part of the story was that LT wanted new trains for the Central line 'pdq' (pretty damn quick) because (some of)* the mainline services out of Liverpool Street that passed through Hackney Downs were being electrified and they (LT) expected a surge in passenger numbers wanting onward travel from Liverpool St to the City and West End. This worried them greatly, as they thought that even with 8 car trains the Standard Stock would be unable to cope. It was not just reliability (or not) of the older trains, but also the fleet size (insufficient?) and that the older trains had some internal space lost to electrical control gear whereas the newer trains had all their control gear below the solebar.
So, with their planned but much delayed 1952 tube stock not fully tested and proven viable they just extended the existing order for the 1959 stock trains.
The 1952 Tube stock was effectively the 1960ts DMs which it had been hoped could be married with refurbished Standard stock trailers - many of which had spent all of WW2 dumped in sidings in the Hainault area and because of this had deteriorated in condition. Whilst no more of the (now) 1960ts DMs were built they included some design etc cues that were adopted by the next generation of tube trains - 1967/72. Things such as a new style of opening window covers.
*)Alas, as the late Snoggle would have pointed out had he still been with us, part of the network ended up being closed (eg: Hall Farm Curve).
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Post by spsmiler on Aug 3, 2021 23:26:11 GMT
Why can't platform 12 be used? It even uses the same steps as 1 & 2 - at one end of the platform.
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Post by spsmiler on Aug 3, 2021 23:23:37 GMT
“Baker Bellfield has now been selected to supply the partition walls between the drivers’ cabs and the passenger saloon cars for the … Piccadilly line.” Is this a new method of cab construction? I recall that these trains were originally planned to have no cabs, but then a temporary cab until resignalling allowed the cabs to be removed. linkAm I interpreting this correctly: The trains are designed for completely driverless operation, but will have a temporary cab constructed so that a driver can drive the train until such time as completely driverless operation is implemented? That sounds as if they are getting way ahead of themselves. That sounds about right, but not unattended operation - ie: similar to the DLR
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Post by spsmiler on Aug 2, 2021 8:57:29 GMT
I thought that these were the best ones, because they had large text that could be read from a distance and could show different colours. Everything else from then has been downhill / retrograde 'improvement', even money wasted (to my eyes)!
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Post by spsmiler on Aug 1, 2021 22:23:59 GMT
Is this also because whilst it was possible to fit two 3 carriage Class 378 trains in one platform (either 1 or 2) this is no longer an option with 5 car trains?
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Post by spsmiler on Aug 1, 2021 22:21:50 GMT
I believe Super 8 cine film was very much a thing back then for both sound & vision ;-) Yes, and Standard 8 before it. Three minute reels of film which often 'ran out' at the wrong moment (just as the train arrived!) The camera we had was silent.
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Post by spsmiler on Jul 31, 2021 20:00:47 GMT
I'll bed sad to see half the tunnels at Camden Town become disused and I'm not sure if passengers will welcome loss of 'one seat' / through train journey possibilities
Especially for the weekend I would expect far more passengers to want the West End than Financial District / Bank branches
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Post by spsmiler on Jul 31, 2021 19:38:51 GMT
When trains were new... smarting at having failed to record any sounds of the Class 306 trains that these replaced I bought a battery powered cassette tape player and on my way home from work recorded the sound of these trains (and an all-stations slam-door train). Little did I know that a few years later I would get myself a camcorder which gave me both sound and vision!
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Post by spsmiler on Jul 31, 2021 19:29:18 GMT
Thank you. This will save me from trying to make my own using plasticard or something... I like this version having seats but was really hoping for a version that had lights - which could be adapted to actually work. Maybe what I should do is get the drawings (if possible) and have it 3D printed. Photo from here: c20society.org.uk/building-of-the-month/loughton-station-essex
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Post by spsmiler on Jul 31, 2021 19:02:25 GMT
They will hopefully come up with a method to deal with that. The ideal solution would to use LED displays but I'd guess it'd cost a fortune to retrofit them. The new R211 cars for the NYC Subway will have them as shown in a demo in the following video (4:08 - 5:12): I was about to make the same suggestion, albeit using liquid crystal display technology (LCD) rather than light emitting diodes (LED).
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Post by spsmiler on Jul 29, 2021 18:31:34 GMT
Unfortunately for fans of Class 315s it's not secure yet. All that has been agreed is that Eversholt Rail will sell a Class 315 to the preservation society if the latter can raise the money. The last I heard (earlier this week) they had not reached the target. Oh dear, I did not know that part of the story. Is the amount needed and the date by which it must be paid in the public domain?
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Post by spsmiler on Jul 29, 2021 16:13:04 GMT
I do not know the unit's number but one Class 315 train is being preserved - see tweet here
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Post by spsmiler on Jul 28, 2021 12:47:13 GMT
Hounslow West was built for the District, to District specs. LT, TfL and the Picc are newbies here That might be true with the original Hounslow West, nee Barracks, but you'd certainly stuggle with getting an S7 into the reconstructed station that is the one under discussion here... re. "half-in, half out" tube stations, I can nominate some tenuous "close, but no cigar" options: - Kensal Green has the portals to the tunnels immediately at the end of the platform and is in a quite deep cutting - ditto Drayton Park- historically, you could have considered the East London line a tube railway when '38 Stock ran on it. Plenty of half-open, half-covered stations on the line. But I think these probably aren't really what you're looking for and I may be teaching you to suck eggs... What about Edgware though? The far north end of the island platform is a bit "underground" where the bridge/tunnels of the Bushey Heath extension is/are. The other end of the line, Morden, has somewhat similar qualities. Wood Lane on the Central might qualify as a historical example, depending on your criteria. Thanks everyone The new Hounslow West could have been what I had in mind but they put a car park over all of it! I was looking at it yesterday using Google maps and was somewhat miffed because the image quality is not very good (truly dire when compared with the Google image quality of my local area - Ilford). I was curious to see the new concrete embankment retaining walls where the line diverted away from the old platforms but it was not very clear. The same issue of 'only building to tube gauge' would likely have applied to Edgware and north had it been built, as it is possible that to cope with high passenger demand the Moorgate service to Ally Pally would have ended up with the larger S stock sized trains and the Bushey Heath via Edgware service using the same trains so as to eliminate services to Moorgate using differently sized trains - with the differently sized trains using their own dedicated platforms at East Finchley and Finchley Central. Plus (perhaps) with the planned peak hour Moorgate - High Barnet via Finsbury Park trains being withdrawn. I note how even the sections at platform which are undercover at Edgware (and Morden) do not have the suicide pits. Returning to this thread, another subsurface station where there are several tube style sections of platform is Mansion House. Its small but the western end of the platforms have tube style arched tunnels. My question, btw is in connection with a modelling project - a station where one end is open air and the other end is in tube tunnels (in a hill). I suppose almost what stations such as Kensal Green, Hendon Central or even the new Hounslow West could have been like. Its early days, I am still working things out and I only have limited time so progress will be slow.
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Post by spsmiler on Jul 26, 2021 22:58:30 GMT
The Beeb's web site has a video that starts with Pudding Mill Lane DLR, with what I'm guessing is at least 200mm of water across the street level (could be wrong, based on my guess at the Oystercard machine). Oh my goodness, even the inside of a bus was inundated! I also noted the A406 in the Woodford area / approximately below the Central line. What a crazy day it was. Thanks for that link. edit to add... Whilst we do not normally include buses in our discussions here I hope that this tweet of mine will be excused as it is directly relevant to the topic of the floods on Sunday 25/7/21 People being rescued from a bus by a dingy (and by being carried)
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Post by spsmiler on Jul 26, 2021 10:59:48 GMT
We had a terrific monsoon-style downpour yesterday, it came in two tranches, with much lightening and thunder too.
With reference to the problems in the Woodfoord area, road traffic reports said that parts of the North Circular Road (which the Central line crosses in this area) were closed, plus the A1400 Woodford Avenue.
I do not know if Redbridge station was affected but the A406 and A12 directly above it were also inundated and had to be partially closed - a very dramatic move!
Newbury Park station does not normally flood but when there is heavy rain the passageways below the A12 Eastern Avenue which allow people from the southern side of the road to reach the station sometimes become inundated.
The road outside my house was flooded, something like 6 inches deep. Some of my neighbours were beyond panic stricken because water was lapping on their front door steps and when cars passed by the wash they created saw water entering their houses.
But it was not all bad ... I did not need to water the garden!
London's problems pale in to significance compared to what happened in one Chinese city where several metro trains were stranded in flooded tunnels and there is footage online showing people calmly awaiting rescue whilst standing in water chest high. These were the lucky ones, because they were indeed rescued - led to safety on emergency walkways alongside the tracks. Also seen (through the train windows) was water rushing past the train and water cascading down stairways - viewed from what were probably inside ticket halls just below ground. This location had a year's worth of rain in mere days.
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Post by spsmiler on Jul 26, 2021 10:22:04 GMT
Was that concrete station name with seat and two adverts scratchbuilt? I'd like something similar for what I am doing - but I want the version with lights (preferably working - an smd LED should make this possible)
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Post by spsmiler on Jul 23, 2021 20:01:32 GMT
Close-up of the front-left of a 1967 Tube Stock train, showing what I believe to be the receiver unit which detected the codes (from the running rail) used by he ATO system. The rail nearest the camera is the live power rail, it is rusty because this train was on a little-used depôt track. I no longer remember exactly where / when this was filmed ... 1983 Acton Depot open day, perhaps.
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Post by spsmiler on Jul 17, 2021 20:27:57 GMT
I saw this mentioned on the TV news today, but I'm not sure if it was BBC or Sky News.
Uxbridge station, with firmly closed Bostwick gates.
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Post by spsmiler on Jul 17, 2021 10:57:22 GMT
Every day these people publish a photo of a railway signal, sometimes they are very obscure images, sometimes not. A few days ago their image was a LU 'coffee pot'
Today (17th July 2021) it includes a Class 484 train...
(Tweet with image above)
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Post by spsmiler on Jul 17, 2021 9:22:23 GMT
Or the train may be on the mark but not picking up the signal from the beacon for some reason, also flashes on when the train is opened up, just until it realises where it is. hmm... the more the technology, the more there is to go wrong!
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Post by spsmiler on Jul 17, 2021 9:19:35 GMT
Any moves for the train planned? Trying to get a vid of it We won't be told here - I think its easy enough to guess that the train movements will be planned in advance but its a rule here at DD that the times are not disclosed. One reason being because they don't want loads of people with cameras etc lining the route at a time when extra staff are not on hand to supervise the people. I have, in the past, attended special trains running on the LU system but the timetable information has always come from elsewhere. Another issue is that special non-passenger workings don't always run to time - sometimes they are early, other times late. A few minutes out is a 'nothing' because if one has prepared for that eventuality then they will have arrived early / come prepared. But there have been times when the special train is hours 'different' to the timetable, and as ordinary people do not have access to the LU train movements info we end up wasting a lot of time. An added complication arises for people using Oystercards in 'pay as you go' mode - journey time limits can cause the ticketing system to think that you had not touched in or out and charge you a maximum fare. Prepaid Travelcards on Oyster solve this but in London these are not available in one-day format (you must buy a 'weekly'). Paper Travelcards also solve this but they are expensive - priced to encourage people to use Oyster PAYG instead.
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Post by spsmiler on Jul 17, 2021 8:57:22 GMT
The existing trains only just fit in sidings at Elephant & Castle. Run 5 car 1996ts trains, more frequently, with some even terminating at Willesden Junction bay* platform? Alas, the signalling system introduced by BR in the mid 1980's prevents this. *This is long enough for 5 car LO trains and I feel pretty sure that a 5 car Bakerloo line train formed of 1996ts would be shorter than a five car 378 / 710. The bigger issue might be restoring the 4th rail (if its not there anymore) and finding when the bay platform is not being used by LO trains which are not in passenger service. The advantage of the bay platform is that it is located between the main running lines so that terminating trains will not block through services. btw, I understand the idea that the Bakerloo should wait for Lewisham before it gets brand new trains, but still feel that it should have new trains 'now' and that if / when Lewisham comes then if need be these could be cascaded elsewhere (Piccadilly fleet enhancement - in conjunction with new signalling?)
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Post by spsmiler on Jul 13, 2021 21:10:48 GMT
I feel sure I know the answer but thought I should ask anyway... Are there any 'tube train' stations which are partly in tunnel and partly in open air? I'm thinking of a tube train version of Bow Road, which is a 'subsurface train' station.
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Post by spsmiler on Jul 13, 2021 21:00:52 GMT
OK, thanks. Of course it makes sense to build the houses near the railway and the increase in passenger journeys will hopefully have a very positive effect on the balance sheet.
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Post by spsmiler on Jul 13, 2021 10:06:54 GMT
Can these still be afforded?
Whilst its one thing to replace old existing trains, will passenger numbers justify also increasing the overall fleet?
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Post by spsmiler on Jul 13, 2021 10:04:07 GMT
ah, thats a shame, as some people were hoping for a Paddington - Abbey Wood 'Christmas Gift'
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