cso
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Post by cso on May 3, 2017 11:23:58 GMT
It seems to me that, recently, TfL have stopped running as many (if any it seems!) heritage services on the line - e.g Steam on the Met, or the '38s etc.
Is there a reason for this?
For example, there used to be one that seemed to coincide with the Rickmansworth Festival, but that seems to have stopped over the last couple of years..
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Post by crusty54 on May 3, 2017 14:28:41 GMT
The last planned steam on the Met was cancelled because of Union action.
The new signalling being installed will make it very difficult to run heritage trips.
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 3, 2017 14:35:13 GMT
The 1938 Tube Stock has only just (March) returned to the Museum collection, having undergone a 2+ year rebuild in Acton Works.
It's running future is secured until 2022, the fitting of the Sub-surface signalling system is being considered.
More heritage trip per year should now be run than has happened in the past.
(info from LTM Friends newsletter)
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Post by crusty54 on May 3, 2017 17:00:49 GMT
The 1938 Tube Stock has only just (March) returned to the Museum collection, having undergone a 2+ year rebuild in Acton Works. It's running future is secured until 2022, the fitting of the Sub-surface signalling system is being considered. More heritage trip per year should now be run than has happened in the past. (info from LTM Friends newsletter) All fitting of signalling equipment to anything other than service trains is on hold. |
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Post by pauluni on May 5, 2017 19:11:40 GMT
If I remember correctly, the Heritage Railway magazine back in January listed the following as planned for this year: *20142 & 20227 hauling the 4TC & LMS Saloon 45029 from Wembley Park to Quainton Road. Date to be confirmed according to class20locosociety.co.uk/events*Two weekends of Steam On The Met in September. The latest issue states that it is now one weekend *1938 Tube Stock runs. The latest issue of Heritage Railway Magazine states that the 4TC could be used for Swanage Railway's Wareham service from mid June, if work being carried out on it is completed in time. |
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Post by miff on May 6, 2017 7:44:06 GMT
Both 45029 and the 4TC looked very unfinished a month ago on Carl Watson's Eastleigh photos page. Swanage have another 4TC set, which was formerly owned by LUL.
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Post by superteacher on May 6, 2017 10:11:53 GMT
Why is London so bad at this? Some cities have virtually regular heritage events!
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Post by countryman on May 6, 2017 12:35:08 GMT
Why is London so bad at this? Some cities have virtually regular heritage events! I went to New York last year, and I have recently been going down Memory Lane by watching some Youtube videos. What has amazed me is the number of different types of heritage units that appear in various locations and run railtours. These all seem to be owned by New York Transit. I just wonder why they can afford to maintain so much stock in operational condition, and London has hardly any! |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 17:06:10 GMT
It looks like that the D-Stock farewell run will the last Heritage Trip on the Underground system perhaps??
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Post by superteacher on May 6, 2017 17:13:46 GMT
It looks like that the D-Stock farewell run will the last Heritage Trip on the Underground system perhaps?? Think you may be jumping the gun a bit there. |
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Post by miff on May 6, 2017 17:32:31 GMT
Since the '38 stock has just been overhauled and the 4TC now receiving attention there is surely cause for optimism. 45029 might be finished one day (at Eastleigh since about 2010 I believe); Cravens are still waiting in the wings. And there is the Q-Stock, one day.
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Post by John Tuthill on May 6, 2017 17:32:40 GMT
It looks like that the D-Stock farewell run will the last Heritage Trip on the Underground system perhaps?? Think you may be jumping the gun a bit there. Hopefully  |
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Post by spsmiler on May 6, 2017 17:58:59 GMT
money, money and and bean counters who do not see any value in operational electric heritage trains (steam locomotives and electric trains as static museum exhibits being different issues)
maybe the restoration of the Brighton Belle Pullman train will help change attitudes?
Simon
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Post by crusty54 on May 6, 2017 18:13:13 GMT
There is an obligation on TfL to preserve items of interest but no money to do it. it's not a bean counter issue - the budget cuts are severe and each trip is logistical nightmare.
The move to new signalling makes things difficult to run trains that are not equipped for it. Getting service trains fitted has to take priority for the time being.
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Post by tjw on May 6, 2017 20:03:56 GMT
N.B. The New York Subway has spare capacity...
I remember being told that Steam on the Met 2000 would be the last, and that Steam on the inner circle was unthinkable. Fast forward a few years and we have had more steam on the Met, steam around the inner circle and passengers travelling in ancient Ashbury stock...
At the moment the budget is under pressure (thanks to cuts from central government and fare freezes), this will not last forever! In the future there is no reason why we could not be travelling in rigid 8's pulled by a replica of the early Met tanks!
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Post by andypurk on May 7, 2017 22:17:00 GMT
There is an obligation on TfL to preserve items of interest but no money to do it. it's not a bean counter issue - the budget cuts are severe and each trip is logistical nightmare. The move to new signalling makes things difficult to run trains that are not equipped for it. Getting service trains fitted has to take priority for the time being. Whilst I agree with the logistics being an issue, the standard Steam on the Met route, Harrow - Amersham, will retain coloured light signalling (as well as trip cocks). This for use by the Chiltern services. This should mean the running specials over this section is less of a problem than elsewhere on the network. |
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Post by crusty54 on May 8, 2017 2:19:42 GMT
There is an obligation on TfL to preserve items of interest but no money to do it. it's not a bean counter issue - the budget cuts are severe and each trip is logistical nightmare. The move to new signalling makes things difficult to run trains that are not equipped for it. Getting service trains fitted has to take priority for the time being. Whilst I agree with the logistics being an issue, the standard Steam on the Met route, Harrow - Amersham, will retain coloured light signalling (as well as trip cocks). This for use by the Chiltern services. This should mean the running specials over this section is less of a problem than elsewhere on the network. It still requires installation/removal of a temporary water tank each time it operates. This costs. |
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Post by cso on May 8, 2017 5:48:14 GMT
Presumably you only need the filling point at one end though? If so, I would guess they've put a permanent feed in to Harrow now based on this image...  |
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Post by csalem on May 8, 2017 7:01:36 GMT
Why is London so bad at this? Some cities have virtually regular heritage events! Indeesd. Just recently the U55 in Berlin has replaced its regular stock with heritage stock for everday use. |
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Post by crusty54 on May 8, 2017 7:56:57 GMT
Presumably you only need the filling point at one end though? If so, I would guess they've put a permanent feed in to Harrow now based on this image... Sorry but no. Money was wasted installing the tank at Amersham last year for the cancelled trips. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 8, 2017 9:59:18 GMT
Chatting to certain individuals on the D Stock Farewell Tour yesterday, I gather that (as has been mentioned above) Heritage runs are planned to run Amersham-Watford using steam and 1938 Tube Stock, steam carriages from Bluebell weekend of 9-10 September.
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Post by br7mt on May 8, 2017 20:53:16 GMT
It would be great if that happens as the Chesham set has been stopped at Horsted Keynes since last year with vacuum brake cylinder and door lock issues.
I note that the Jubilee coach has gone on an 18 month loan to the Kent & East Sussex Railway.
Regards,
Dan
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Post by spsmiler on May 8, 2017 21:23:24 GMT
Its a pity that no Dreadnaughts ever come back to London.
Simon
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Pleased to say the restoration of BEA coach MLL738 is as complete as it can be, now restoring MLL721
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Post by roythebus on May 8, 2017 22:54:40 GMT
We have been fortunate in the choice of top TfL management over the last 10 years or so inasmuch as both Pete Hendy (now Sir Peter Hendy MBE) and Leon Daniels are avid transport enthusiasts and active supporters of such events. As Leon put on Facebook prior to the steam on the Circle event when the Beattie Well Tank was used for a test train "it's my train set and I'll play when I want to" or words to that effect. We have a lot to thank those 2 for.
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Post by pauluni on May 22, 2017 21:44:26 GMT
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Post by pauluni on May 24, 2017 22:34:52 GMT
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Post by miff on May 25, 2017 7:06:10 GMT
Time for a good old-fashioned livery debate. I hope the Swanage job doesn't mean they paint it in an 'authentic' BR livery. I always liked the Metropolitan maroon, which looked just right with Sarah etc (hated the fake teak vinyl).
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Post by norbitonflyer on May 25, 2017 7:57:44 GMT
The TCs were formed from hauled stock built in the 1950s, when regional liveries were the norm. Most, but not all, of the carriages used for the TCs started out on the Southern, and would have been painted green.
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Post by theblackferret on May 25, 2017 10:00:48 GMT
The TCs were formed from hauled stock built in the 1950s, when regional liveries were the norm. Most, but not all, of the carriages used for the TCs started out on the Southern, and would have been painted green. And didn't the Swanage Line stay in BR(Southern Region) when the Western Region swallowed huge chunks of the Southern in 1964/5, which was when they(Western Region) started running the newly-transferred lines down for freight and for through runnings? Think the BR(S) green is highly appropriate. |
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Post by miff on May 25, 2017 10:36:55 GMT
Think the BR(S) green is highly appropriate. Surely not for LUL where this stock will (I hope) return after the Swanage gig. |
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