Ben
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Post by Ben on Apr 3, 2018 2:22:25 GMT
They were at one point though, weren't they? Well, the 4TC
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Post by Chris W on Apr 3, 2018 10:36:27 GMT
They were at one point though, weren't they? Well, the 4TC I suspect that track has been replaced/relaid since the 4TC last travelled over much of the District.... and therefore repositioned with the gauging of new rolling stock. Whilst I'm not LU / TfL employed, I suspect in these circumstances, that all stock needs re-gauging/certificating prior to carrying passengers. |
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Post by londoner on Apr 29, 2018 16:05:35 GMT
It was either Thursday or Friday, but at 11:15am I saw some old railway carriages being hauled from Neasden depot, heading northbound.
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Post by John Tuthill on Apr 29, 2018 16:14:42 GMT
It was either Thursday or Friday, but at 11:15am I saw some old railway carriages being hauled from Neasden depot, heading northbound. Off to Quainton Road perhaps? |
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Post by MoreToJack on Apr 29, 2018 17:38:03 GMT
It was either Thursday or Friday, but at 11:15am I saw some old railway carriages being hauled from Neasden depot, heading northbound. Friday. Was a test run for today's diesel railtour (the much anticipated "through train") from Wembley Park to Quainton Road via Calvert, returning to West Ruislip via Harrow and Marylebone. Stock formed N Class 33 D6515-4TC-Class 20s 20142+20227 S. Friday's move ran from Ruislip depot to Neasden via Neasden, Amersham, Harrow, Amersham, Watford and Amersham. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Apr 29, 2018 22:28:15 GMT
For those who don't know, the term "4TC" refers to one of the former Southern Region trailer units converted in the 1960s, from 1950s loco-hauled stock, to be used in push-pull mode on the Bournemouth and Weymouth line. Nice picture of the working on the "Railway Centre" website (29th April picture of the day) |
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Post by MoreToJack on Apr 30, 2018 13:49:07 GMT
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Ben
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Post by Ben on Apr 30, 2018 14:44:24 GMT
Whatever happened to the other 4TC set LUL owned for a bit back in the days of Steam on the Met?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Apr 30, 2018 15:33:38 GMT
Whatever happened to the other 4TC set LUL owned for a bit back in the days of Steam on the Met? Now owned by the Swanage Railway. Here it is en route to its new owner last year |
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Post by MoreToJack on Apr 30, 2018 15:42:35 GMT
Whatever happened to the other 4TC set LUL owned for a bit back in the days of Steam on the Met? Now owned by the Swanage Railway. Here it is en route to its new owner last year Nah - that's the LUL 4TC, which was loaned to Swanage last year for its Wareham services. This was the move, fresh from overhaul into the current LT maroon livery, from Eastleigh to Swanage for that move. Swanage's TC remains at the Midland Railway Centre, Butterly. |
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Post by cso on Apr 30, 2018 15:49:11 GMT
Fab Picks, Jack!
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Post by norbitonflyer on Apr 30, 2018 17:09:32 GMT
Nah - that's the LUL 4TC,. My mistake - I misread the numbers on the carriages. |
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Post by brigham on Apr 30, 2018 17:16:39 GMT
I love these whimsical liveries. Some folk find them objectionable, but, on the whole, I don't think they can be mistaken for actual historical rolling stock.
Or can they?
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roythebus
Pleased to say the restoration of BEA coach MLL738 is as complete as it can be, now restoring MLL721
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Post by roythebus on Apr 30, 2018 20:57:07 GMT
Looks good in those liveries, at least the old stock is still running.
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Post by silenthunter on May 9, 2018 11:38:49 GMT
I love these whimsical liveries. Some folk find them objectionable, but, on the whole, I don't think they can be mistaken for actual historical rolling stock. Or can they? It's close enough to BR maroon that it's not a massive problem, but IIRC the TCs were outshopped in Rail Blue. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on May 9, 2018 11:52:51 GMT
It's close enough to BR maroon that it's not a massive problem, but IIRC the TCs were outshopped in Rail Blue. They were, (except 429 - 434, which were always blue/grey) but the TCs were converted from hauled stock, most of which was originally maroon when first built. |
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Post by brigham on May 9, 2018 15:47:29 GMT
Although some were green, for the Southern.
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Post by miff on May 9, 2018 19:52:32 GMT
Since their primary purpose now is to run on the SSL's it males sense to keep them in a LT or Met livery. BR blue might be authentic for the stock but wrong for the railway they're running on now, especially when Sarah is at one end. But thank goodness they got rid of that horrible teak photo-finish.
I wonder what livery the saloon 45029 will appear in, if Eastleigh are ever permitted to finish the job.
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Post by pauluni on May 9, 2018 22:48:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 20:55:21 GMT
I think I saw a picture last week of one of the 20s leaving Ruislip via a low loader |
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Post by pauluni on May 11, 2018 16:54:10 GMT
That'll be 20227 which has gone back to the North Norfolk Railway.
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Post by silenthunter on May 11, 2018 20:11:00 GMT
That'll be 20227 which has gone back to the North Norfolk Railway. The NNR has a mainline connection, but it's probably cheaper and easier to do a move like that with a relatively slow loco via road. |
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Post by crusty54 on May 11, 2018 21:22:51 GMT
That'll be 20227 which has gone back to the North Norfolk Railway. The NNR has a mainline connection, but it's probably cheaper and easier to do a move like that with a relatively slow loco via road. The connection has a very limited number of uses each year. It is ungated. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2018 17:32:02 GMT
Saw another picture yesterday of the rail tour train leaving Ruislip depot. Still had 2 class 20s, but one was green.
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Post by norbitonflyer on May 15, 2018 19:50:00 GMT
It's close enough to BR maroon that it's not a massive problem, but IIRC the TCs were outshopped in Rail Blue. They were, (except 429 - 434, which were always blue/grey) but the TCs were converted from hauled stock, most of which was originally maroon when first built. I have found Hugh Longworth's coaching stock history listing book. The four cars in the LT 4TC set, and their original numbers, are: 76297 (S3938), 71163 (M13097), 70823 (S34970), and 76324 (S4009). Thus only the trailer first (71163) was originally in maroon. The cars of the LT unit came from four different original sets (415, 430, 412 and 428 respectively). 71163 was one of the phase 2 conversions (from 1974, as opposed to the original 1967 fleet), so was probably already blue/grey for a while before conversion. |
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Post by brigham on May 16, 2018 8:11:18 GMT
The connection has a very limited number of uses each year. It is ungated. What gross inefficiency! It starts its journey by rail, it finishes its journey by rail. Why not make the whole journey by rail? That argument worked very well for lorries, in the 1950s. (Good job fork-lift trucks weren't universal in those days!) |
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Post by pauluni on May 16, 2018 9:36:52 GMT
The 4TC is visiting the Midland Railway, Butterley for their Diesel Gala on 16 & 17 June.
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Post by crusty54 on May 17, 2018 1:51:49 GMT
The connection has a very limited number of uses each year. It is ungated. What gross inefficiency! It starts its journey by rail, it finishes its journey by rail. Why not make the whole journey by rail? That argument worked very well for lorries, in the 1950s. (Good job fork-lift trucks weren't universal in those days!) It can only be used 12 times per year. Use restricted to trains with paying customers on board. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on May 17, 2018 6:27:41 GMT
It can only be used 12 times per year. Use restricted to trains with paying customers on board. I'm sure you could find someone willing to pay to travel on a train travelling over such rare track with such rare motive power! Even if they have to walk back. |
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Post by brigham on May 17, 2018 7:29:23 GMT
]It can only be used 12 times per year. Use restricted to trains with paying customers on board. ...And there you have an example of the cause of inefficiency. Can you imagine delivering a motor-lorry to a site by rail, because 'the road entrance can only be used 12 times a year, and is limited to loaded vehicles only'? |
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