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Post by solidbond on Dec 23, 2005 16:10:33 GMT
I also understand that the first double-ender has now gone away and should form part of train 14 - although it may return AFTER train 15 as it is the first double-ender they have done, and there are some additional mods needed as a result.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2005 16:25:27 GMT
I also understand that the first double-ender has now gone away. Do you know if both cabs are being refurbed, or to save on cost is only one cab being done, like most A60 units where the middle cabs are basically now UNDM's. I've asked around, even speaking to DDM's at Upminster and Ealing Common without an answer. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2005 17:59:12 GMT
Dave says that the double-ended units will stay double-ended. That's all I know on the matter - seeing as how there are so few double-ended units anyway (20?) it seems stupid not to refurbish all of the cabs.
If one of the cabs were to suffer a severe fault (like catch on fire or get crushed or heavily graffitied) I could understand making the unit single-ended.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 24, 2005 17:24:50 GMT
After chatting with DD on Friday, he suggested i post this info which those in attendance at the LURS December meeting would have heard.
*the livery on trains1>3 is likely to be altered at Ealing, to match the rest of the refurbs.
*train10 and onward, have additional internal back-to-back dot-matrix displays mounted above the transverse seats in the centre of the car. It was a late amendment, so trains1>9 will be retrofitted at ECom- starting in January.
*from train20, an additional long handrail will be fitted inside the doors by the wheelchair space- there is one there now, but only on none side of the car! Again, trains1>19 will be retrofitted.
*NO window glass is being changed- except the replacement of the 'M' door glass & the additional end-car windows. The film being fitted to the inside of the windows is meant to sink into the scratching, so making it 'disappear' !
*prototype unit 7008 IS a problem! it will always have to look non-standard. The car-end windows are a different size to the other refurbs. It will probably get left until the very end of the project, in the hope that another D Stock will get damaged & donate parts to 17008!
*an internal destination display for the driver will NOT be provided- the suggestion is to scroll through the CIS menu to find 'route status'.
*a 1kw heater is actually fitted to the cab A/C unit, it's not very effective as the old hearter blower is 3kw.
*problems with Network Rail continue to delay the work on the link at Upminster. EWS have the contract to transport the D Stock to/from Derby. As the Upminster work has not been finished, they are sub-contracting this work to transfer them by road.
*even if the work at Upminster was completed 'tomorrow', the D Stock would still go by road, as approval for the use of Ruislip has not been given by Network Rail.
*even if Ruislip was approved & the work at Upmister was finished, they would still go by road- as there are 40ish guaging issues on the rail route to Derby to be sorted by Network Rail first!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2005 12:34:47 GMT
Do you know if both cabs are being refurbed, or to save on cost is only one cab being done, like most A60 units where the middle cabs are basically now UNDM's. It was decided a while back that both cabs would be refurbished. Serious consideration was given to only doing one, but in the end even Metronet weren't that tight! |
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Post by Phil on Dec 27, 2005 12:43:03 GMT
Wrong thread I know, but how many of the A60/62 stock was kept as double cabbed (for ELL)?
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Post by towerman on Dec 27, 2005 21:29:35 GMT
Basically the deicing units 5088 to 5120 plus some in the 5060's.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2006 16:22:55 GMT
Wrong thread I know, but how many of the A60/62 stock was kept as double cabbed (for ELL)? Not only the ELL, but also the Chesham shuttle as well as a unit for the RAT. Numbers I'm not sure though. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 26, 2006 16:40:50 GMT
Train 11 arrived at Ealing Common by road during Monday 23 Jan. Unit 7528 of train14 was being loaded onto trailers in Ealing Common this morning. This is the first double-ender to go away. Unit 7508 should follow tomorrow. (these two units have caused much talk on this forum recently in the "Double Bubble" topic!). districtdave.proboards39.com/index.cgi?board=district&action=display&thread=1135364245To update the info from that I've mentioned on this forum before: train1 7002+7021 train2 7012+7081 train3 7074+7003 train4 7088+7005 train5 7106+7119 train6 7116+7027 train7 7124+7047 train8 7114+7107 train9 7104+7061 train10 7098+7037 train11 7110+7015 train12 7118+7099 train13 7120+7031 train14 7508+7529 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2006 16:40:30 GMT
I had a chat with the Ealing Common DDM last night and he told me we currently have 11 refurbs running with train 12 coming back next week.
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Post by Phil on Jan 27, 2006 18:01:05 GMT
Nobody's asked this yet, so I will.
Are the refurbs returning to ECM and UPM equally, or are all the ECM ones (or the UPMs) being done first? Doing the latter would certainly increase operational flexibility due to compatibility, but has anyone thought of that?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2006 18:27:49 GMT
Nobody's asked this yet, so I will. Are the refurbs returning to ECM and UPM equally, or are all the ECM ones (or the UPMs) being done first? Doing the latter would certainly increase operational flexibility due to compatibility, but has anyone thought of that? Trains are all going and returning to and from Ealing Common until the NR link at Upminster is complete. There are no specific Ealing or Upminster units. A train which will start at Ealing Common may finish at Upminster, or vice verse. |
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Post by TMBA on Jan 27, 2006 20:03:49 GMT
I was on 7088 this morning and it had the destination pod in the centre of the car.
Did someone mention that 2 more cameras were gonna be fitted to the pod as well? the only reason I mention this is that there wasn't any visible, just destination indicators.
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Post by solidbond on Jan 27, 2006 22:44:28 GMT
Nobody's asked this yet, so I will. Are the refurbs returning to ECM and UPM equally, or are all the ECM ones (or the UPMs) being done first? Doing the latter would certainly increase operational flexibility due to compatibility, but has anyone thought of that? Trains are all going and returning to and from Ealing Common until the NR link at Upminster is complete. It is highly unlikely that ANY refurbs will use the NR link at Upminster, due to MAJOR problems with using the link, not related to the OHLE stanchion in the way. Can't really go into too much detail here, but if anyone is interested, send me a PM and I'll try to explain what the problem is. Suffice to say it is more a signalling issue than anything else  |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 31, 2006 1:00:08 GMT
I was on 7088 this morning and it had the destination pod in the centre of the car. Did someone mention that 2 more cameras were gonna be fitted to the pod as well? the only reason I mention this is that there wasn't any visible, just destination indicators. Ah, that is interesting- as 7088 is part of train4. As I said earlier all refurbs from train10 will have the additional pods in the car centre and trains1>9 will be retrofiited at ECom- so this is obviously now happening! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2006 18:57:54 GMT
Will they keep an non-refurb D stock to add to the acton town museum?
Maybe a carrage or two.?
Kids being born now will have the chance to see a proper un-refurbed sub-surface train!
Cheers
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2006 19:03:08 GMT
Will they keep an non-refurb D stock to add to the acton town museum? Maybe a carrage or two.? NO, all trains are going to be refurbed. |
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Post by Phil on Jan 31, 2006 19:46:57 GMT
So what you need to do is to persuade someone like t/op92 to acquire (!!!!!) some seating, lighting etc from the 78s as they go in for refurb. That way when they finallly do get withdrawn it will be possible to preserve at least something as it was pre-refurb. Good luck!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2006 20:00:18 GMT
I should imagine some of the hanging bobbles will go missing, as the unrefurbed D stock is the last remaining stock with these.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2006 20:50:42 GMT
Will they keep an non-refurb D stock to add to the acton town museum? Maybe a carrage or two.? Er, why? D stocks cars are needed to run a reliable District Line service, not to sit in a museum for nostalgic train spotters. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2006 20:52:28 GMT
Will they keep an non-refurb D stock to add to the acton town museum? Maybe a carrage or two.? Er, why? D stocks cars are needed to run a reliable District Line service, not to sit in a museum for nostalgic train spotters. Where did that odd car of 67 stock come from that ended up in the Pump House Museum? Seems a bit odd to me............................ |
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Post by towerman on Jan 31, 2006 21:08:26 GMT
Was concerned in a buffer stop collision at Northumberland Pk,was 3016,3116 was turned and renumbered to 3016,a 72Mk1 TS was put in middle and numbered 3116.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2006 21:54:15 GMT
Well, with so many refurb units now about, I am disappointed not to have been allocated one to drive at all this year so far !!  I did ride passenger in train 4 (car 7005) the other night, the new central dot matrix indicator was in position but clearly did not have any extra camera's in it. The DVA system, including door chimes was not working and the dot matrix just scrolled "This is a District Line train to Upminster" throughout. Was disappointed to see, that some new glass including the end windows had been etched with the tag "HI V" where the V was a roman numeral 5. This tag had also been scored into the communicating door paintwork. I wonder if anyone looks at the CCTV to identify the culprit. The train exterior was filthy, dust doesn't show up or cling to the unpainted aluminum bodies so much ! As a driver the refurb trains are a nice bonus, I like the DVA and trigger all sorts of extra announcements, eg "For your safety and security CCTV is in operation throughout this train" Having acquired a list of others that can be displayed and announced It has the ability to enter codes for announcements that may apply later announcing them at suitable points eg"There are severe delays on the Piccadilly Line" or "Queensway station is closed". And of course the offside doors can be closed from the driving seat. Mechanically of course D stock is the most reliable stock on the LUL system, for the most part the refurb is cosmetic. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2006 0:11:02 GMT
So what you need to do is to persuade someone like t/op92 to acquire (!!!!!) some seating, lighting etc from the 78s as they go in for refurb. That way when they finallly do get withdrawn it will be possible to preserve at least something as it was pre-refurb. Good luck! I hope that a unit can be "un-refurbed" for preservation - but the extra windows cut into the car ends might be difficult to get rid off! Mechanically of course D stock is the most reliable stock on the LUL system, for the most part the refurb is cosmetic. We can all be grateful that they haven't messed about with them too much! |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 6, 2006 18:29:28 GMT
The unit 7118 part of train12 was arriving at Ealing Common this lunchtime.
Train1 (7002+7021) has also been retro-fitted with the central dot-matrix display units.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 10, 2006 13:50:27 GMT
Unit 7082 of train15 was making it's way out of Ealing Common depot into Gunnerbury Lane this morning.
Train12 (7118+7099) was in passenger service, also this morning.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 6, 2006 15:14:43 GMT
Car 7528 of train14 almost disrupted the proceedings going on at L'sT Museum Depot Open Day yesterday, by arriving at about 3pm!!
It had already reversed up to the top of The Depot access ramp, almost level with RM2217, when I saw it.
It was promptly sent back to the bottom of the ramp to await the Open Day to finish. The other 2 cars, 17528/7529, were held over en route before arriving at Acton later in the evening.
Unit 7508, also of train14, arrived at Ealing Common this morning.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2006 17:05:16 GMT
AAARRRGGGHHH!!!!!!!!!
Why couldn't it have arrived on SATURDAY!
*grumble*
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Post by Chris W on Mar 14, 2006 14:32:44 GMT
Gents
While passing through Earls Court yesterday morning saw 3-car units 7509 and 7529 travelling westwards attached
How long have they been in service & whats the current situ regarding the refurb programme
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2006 16:30:17 GMT
Apparently they are the first two double-ended refurb units to be returned, and because none of the refurbs have been split yet and recoupled, it may be that they will remain in this form for quite a while now.
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