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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2016 1:04:01 GMT
For the past few nights I've noticed (whilst heading up to London) that the A Stock sandite train, which is parked up in the corner at Neasden, has had its headlights on. On one occasion the lights in the carriages were also on.
I've not seen it out on leaf fall duties this year yet.
Any ideas as to why the lights would be on?
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Post by version3point1 on Sept 21, 2016 16:16:13 GMT
The A stock on 104rd at Neasden is not the Sandite unit, but actually 5234, which has been there for quite a while, though recently it did need to be shunted, so it could've just been shunting around. The Sandite unit has been in the sheds: Rail Adhesion Train 5111-5110, September 2016
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Post by metman on Sept 25, 2016 21:23:27 GMT
Is there a date for the RAT runs to start yet?
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Post by PiccNT on Sept 26, 2016 9:48:02 GMT
According to the latest Traffic Circular: The leaf fall season starts on Sunday 2 October 2016 and is booked to finish on Friday December 23 2016. The following arrangements during this period will take effect: – Extended signal overlaps will be in place southbound from Network Rail boundary to Rickmansworth. – A 40mph speed restriction will be in place from the boundary with Network Rail at Mantles Wood (north of Amersham) to Watford South Junction on the southbound line: • Current Permanent Speed Restriction (PSR) signs will be altered to show this 40mph restriction. – Timetable notice TTN 111/16 will be in operation – Supplementary Signal Control Protection will also be switched between Moor Park and Amersham. – When poor adhesion conditions are anticipated, the London Underground Rail Adhesion Train (the ‘RAT’) will lay ‘Sandite’ as required on all running lines north of Wembley Park. – Network Rail railhead treatment train (RHTT) will operate between Harrow boundary and Mantles Wood boundary (north of Amersham) - details below. Please note: While the most diffi cult leaf fall conditions mainly affect the area north of Moor Park, leaf mulch can build up on the railhead anywhere where loose leaf litter is present.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 11:56:54 GMT
Are the S8's restricted to 40mph via software or is it upto the driver to restrict the train from going faster?
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Post by domh245 on Sept 26, 2016 13:29:41 GMT
Are the S8's restricted to 40mph via software or is it up to the driver to restrict the train from going faster? It would appear to be a semi-permanent TSR, so I think it's up to the driver to stop the train from overspeeding, unless they can use a virtual flag to limit the speed?
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Post by philthetube on Sept 26, 2016 16:08:16 GMT
up to the driver
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 17:10:15 GMT
How long can the A Stock RAT last for? Last year it sounded terrible. I grew up with those trains, so I remember the noises they make, and the noises the RAT makes are pretty bad.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Sept 28, 2016 17:20:46 GMT
How long can the A Stock RAT last for? Last year it sounded terrible. I grew up with those trains, so I remember the noises they make, and the noises the RAT makes are pretty bad. I understood it was being replaced by a D Stock RAT as soon as possible but I may have misheard!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 17:35:17 GMT
How long can the A Stock RAT last for? Last year it sounded terrible. I grew up with those trains, so I remember the noises they make, and the noises the RAT makes are pretty bad. I understood it was being replaced by a D Stock RAT as soon as possible but I may have misheard! D Stock has no place in Metroland.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Sept 28, 2016 18:02:45 GMT
I understood it was being replaced by a D Stock RAT as soon as possible but I may have misheard! D Stock has no place in Metroland. I think you've been done-over already mate! Here's a picture from a post a while back with one stabled at Amersham. P1190685sml by David Howells
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Post by version3point1 on Sept 28, 2016 22:43:42 GMT
How long can the A Stock RAT last for? Last year it sounded terrible. I grew up with those trains, so I remember the noises they make, and the noises the RAT makes are pretty bad. As long as they've got parts for it and until the D Stock RAT finally appears. Which is not going to be any time soon. Last year it sounded terrible, because the year before it, it acquired some flats. That's the only reason it sounds bad. However, 5110-5111 has be stowed away in Neasden shed for months undergoing a complete strip down and overhaul from top to bottom - including the wheel sets, so when it's finally out and about there, provided it doesn't acquire flats as hideous as the last time, she'll sound fine. The car heights were just being adjusted the last time I was passing through (a few weeks ago), and I think there may be some adjustments to headlights. I understood it was being replaced by a D Stock RAT as soon as possible but I may have misheard! You've heard right, but you've got the season wrong. Watch this space.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Sept 29, 2016 6:25:12 GMT
How long can the A Stock RAT last for? Last year it sounded terrible. I grew up with those trains, so I remember the noises they make, and the noises the RAT makes are pretty bad. As long as they've got parts for it and until the D Stock RAT finally appears. Which is not going to be any time soon. Last year it sounded terrible, because the year before it, it acquired some flats. That's the only reason it sounds bad. However, 5110-5111 has be stowed away in Neasden shed for months undergoing a complete strip down and overhaul from top to bottom - including the wheel sets, so when it's finally out and about there, provided it doesn't acquire flats as hideous as the last time, she'll sound fine. The car heights were just being adjusted the last time I was passing through (a few weeks ago), and I think there may be some adjustments to headlights. I understood it was being replaced by a D Stock RAT as soon as possible but I may have misheard! You've heard right, but you've got the season wrong. Watch this space. What season did I mention?
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Post by br7mt on Sept 29, 2016 11:49:10 GMT
The D Stock RAT is having wiring checks done on individual cars before it is coupled up for static and then dynamic testing in Acton Works yard. There might also be some further physical works required as part of the conversion.
After this there will need to be brake testing at South Ealing plus a period of running in, training etc. before it can replace the A Stock RAT. Also it will need fitting with the 4LM version of SelTrac, which need to be slotted in around all the planned works and duties.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2016 11:58:22 GMT
Have passed Neasden depot today and yesterday, and while the A Stock was there yesterday, it isn't there now.
I've not seen it out and about in leaf fall duties though.
Or have I just missed it so far?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2016 13:06:24 GMT
It won't be going anywhere for abit it has a couple of issues
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2016 17:24:58 GMT
"faults have been found on the RAT train, 5110: No MA indication and no Speedo or Speed Control after Tripping. 5111 Audible Warning on Application and no Speedo or Speed Control after Tripping"
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Post by philthetube on Oct 9, 2016 17:30:48 GMT
Going to be fun with trains sliding through the stations if not fixed before the leaves start to fall.
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Post by crusty54 on Oct 9, 2016 18:03:56 GMT
Going to be fun with trains sliding through the stations if not fixed before the leaves start to fall. leaf fall timetables start tomorrow so worrying.
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Post by philthetube on Oct 9, 2016 18:13:09 GMT
when the timetable starts is irrelevant, it is when the leaves fall and the drizzle starts that matters.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2016 18:25:52 GMT
There is always the spare at Acton Works
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2016 19:16:40 GMT
There is always the spare at Acton Works What type of train is the spare RAT? Leaves aren't falling yet around Ricky, so time for it to be fixed perhaps.
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Post by MoreToJack on Oct 9, 2016 20:13:05 GMT
There is always the spare at Acton Works What type of train is the spare RAT? Also A stock. Two at Neasden, one at Acton. D78 stock remains under conversion, two units.
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Post by metman on Oct 9, 2016 21:20:22 GMT
The other unit at Neasden is 5234-6234-6236-5235 (ex 5034-6008-6009-5009 i.e. The first unit in service).
Unit 5112-6112-6113-5113 is at Acton and is a body spare.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2016 21:23:23 GMT
I did mean the spare A stock at Acton not a spare RAT but if it only a body spare then thats no good
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Post by Chris M on Oct 9, 2016 21:55:54 GMT
Could the west end Central line RAT be used on the Met if no A or D stocks are available (and it isn't required on the Central line)?
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Post by ruislip on Oct 9, 2016 23:31:41 GMT
Could the west end Central line RAT be used on the Met if no A or D stocks are available (and it isn't required on the Central line)? I would say so, for no other reason than the ease of transferring it from Ruislip depot to the Uxbridge branch of the Met/Picc.
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Post by carltona on Oct 10, 2016 15:42:10 GMT
Could the west end Central line RAT be used on the Met if no A or D stocks are available (and it isn't required on the Central line)? That would be an interesting sight. Do the RATs ever turn back in the bays at Baker Street or do they always reverse before then?
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Post by MoreToJack on Oct 10, 2016 17:16:00 GMT
Could the west end Central line RAT be used on the Met if no A or D stocks are available (and it isn't required on the Central line)? That would be an interesting sight. Do the RATs ever turn back in the bays at Baker Street or do they always reverse before then? Always reverse via Neasden depot.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 19:03:23 GMT
So, what would happen if the leaves begin to fall, and the A Stock RAT isn't available, and if the Central Line RAT is busy on it's own patch.
What exactly is the RAT made up from anyway? Isn't it just the middle carriage that that does the application? Could that middle carriage be hauled by an engineering Loco, or similar?
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