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Post by graeme186 on Jun 4, 2014 12:21:34 GMT
N-5516+5551+5712-S arrived Northwood 1300 04/06.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 12:31:38 GMT
Any news on 5555? Is it still at Neasden, or has it left the network forever? If the latter is the case, does anyone know where it is going (Rotherham or Eastleigh)?
Thanks in advance,
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Post by graeme186 on Jun 4, 2014 12:36:47 GMT
N-5522+5555+5549-S has now also arrived at Neasden Depot.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 12:46:47 GMT
Will 5555 be Friday's runner then?
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Post by domh245 on Jun 4, 2014 12:49:07 GMT
All of the units being decommissioned now are going to booths. Eastleigh aren't handling any more C stock. D stock (I think) haven't had their location chosen yet.
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Post by graeme186 on Jun 4, 2014 13:35:21 GMT
Will 5555 be Friday's runner then? May simply be down to which of the two 'C' Stock trains now stabled in Neasden Depot Friday's Driver chooses to take? I should think it's all in material now unless the date of the last maintenance exam is still relevant to already withdrawn stock which I doubt. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 15:57:39 GMT
"The C-stock trains have operated on the Circle, Hammersmith & City and on the District line between Edgware Road and Wimbledon for over 40 years, but have become increasingly unreliable and costly to maintain as time has gone on. " It really irritates me to read that, which is naturally spouted everytime a fleet renewal happens. Its rarely true and is never black and white anyway. If you want something unreliable and costly, try the 1992ts which has been a disaster from its introduction. Of course there isnt any money to get rid of it yet, and no doubt a few people involved with its conception and birth are still around to have their faces put out. So, it will not be demonised. Yet. What a shame the end is now, would have liked one last ride! Excellent aesthetic, even if the mechanics were run into the ground. Is a unit or two being kept? Or just a lone dead carriage for Acton? Cobblers isn't it! The 1973 stock and D stock are the most and third most reliable fleets respectively so age has little to do with it. It is true that the C stock is at the bottem of the reliabilty table although it hasn't got much worse in recent years. Looking at the figures, you could expect one or two failures per day. But those faults could be as trivial as a five minute delay owing to a sticky door. In 30 years of travelling on C stock I have never known one pack up completely. |
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Post by graeme186 on Jun 6, 2014 12:10:49 GMT
N-5522+5555+5549-S arrived Northwood 1245. 3 cars being disposed of this PM which I would think will include 5555 as it is north facing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2014 15:00:24 GMT
5555 has gone!! (at 15.11 this afternoon, with 5549 and 6549).
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Post by domh245 on Jun 6, 2014 17:42:20 GMT
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Post by Chris W on Jun 6, 2014 20:13:49 GMT
RIP It was my favourite of the C stock too...  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2014 20:24:58 GMT
Shame it spent so many years as a "control trailer"  |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jun 6, 2014 20:37:31 GMT
Shame it spent so many years as a "control trailer" More accurately as a non-control motor ! |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 6, 2014 20:40:04 GMT
Shame it spent so many years as a "control trailer" More accurately as a non-control motor ! Isn't that an UNDM? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2014 15:40:15 GMT
RIP It was my favourite of the C stock too... 5555 was my favourite too! I'm still glad it survived all the odds to make it to the end. It was so easily a candidate for early withdrawal. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2014 19:33:16 GMT
It was my favourite of the C stock too... 5555 was my favourite too! I'm still glad it survived all the odds to make it to the end. It was so easily a candidate for early withdrawal. How many C stock rakes are still bound for Northwood? By my reckoning there's the June 29 tour train, spare for same, and the rake going to LTM to have some bits salvaged and possibly one driving motor kept for display. So that's three trains, less one driving motor kept at LTM, total 17 cars for scrap? (Can they drive a 5 car rake to Northwood?). This may be an erroneous asessment, but any corrections welcome, with updates for scrap movements if available. The last ever C stock movement under its own power will be worth seeing. |
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Post by metman on Jun 8, 2014 8:46:38 GMT
No a 5 car cannot run on its own as the C stock are in self contained pairs. If a car is preserved it will be taken from Northwood to wherever it is going with the rest going for scrap. This happened with the A stock and car 5034.
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Post by antharro on Jun 8, 2014 10:47:06 GMT
Would it be possible to run a 5 car C-stock as two powered pairs with a single car on the back - unpowered? Obviously it wouldn't be allowed to run in passenger service but as a scrap move?
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Post by rincew1nd on Jun 8, 2014 12:35:20 GMT
I doubt it, you would need some kind of bodge to prevent having an unbraked vehicle on the rear of the train and remember what happened last time that occurred! I suspect the easiest way would be to sandwich the single car between two pairs of cars, and to run a communication cable between them somehow; similar to how the S Stock are delivered with a train pipe passing through the M door and connecting the two pairs of class 20 locomotives. But it's all sounding like a bit of a faff. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jun 8, 2014 13:46:24 GMT
Remember that C Stock only have auto-couplers at one end of the car, on the other end are bar-couplings.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jun 8, 2014 13:48:27 GMT
Indeed. I was trying to make light of the comment which didn't work. [How many C stock rakes are still bound for Northwood? 2 more are due to head to Northwood on 10/12 June. |
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Post by domh245 on Jun 8, 2014 14:39:09 GMT
No a 5 car cannot run on its own as the C stock are in self contained pairs. If a car is preserved it will be taken from Northwood to wherever it is going with the rest going for scrap. This happened with the A stock and car 5034. But with the train to be partly preserved already at Acton, surely they would remove it from there? There may well be a 4 car run from Acton to northwood, or the whole thing done there. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2014 14:41:47 GMT
No a 5 car cannot run on its own as the C stock are in self contained pairs. If a car is preserved it will be taken from Northwood to wherever it is going with the rest going for scrap. This happened with the A stock and car 5034. But with the train to be partly preserved already at Acton, surely they would remove it from there? There may well be a 4 car run from Acton to northwood, or the whole thing done there. Yeah, surely if they choose to only preserve one car they could just take the one which is for the chop from Acton by road? |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jun 8, 2014 14:48:01 GMT
But with the train to be partly preserved already at Acton, surely they would remove it from there? Indeed 5539+5704+5725 were dispatched by road direct from the Museum compound in October 2013. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2014 17:41:23 GMT
Thanks guys for the the wisdom on non-feasibility of 5 car C stock running, plus the June 12th addition to the movements to Northwood already notified. Presumably the next one after that will be in the week following the June 29 farewell special. As of last Friday there were 3 cars still waiting at Northwood to be low loaded to Booths tomorrow, plus a train at Neasden due for Northwood transfer Tuesday 10th. So is the June 12th one ex-LTM and will it go via Neasden?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2014 18:19:02 GMT
Direct Acton Works to Northwood AFAIK.
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Post by graeme186 on Jun 10, 2014 13:28:52 GMT
T716 arrived at Northwood today 10/06 pretty much on time with N-5733+5550+5594-S.
I would be grateful if anyone could advise what time Thursday's scrap train is due to arrive given that I understand it will be coming direct from Acton. Thank you in advance.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jun 10, 2014 13:57:17 GMT
I would be grateful if anyone could advise what time Thursday's scrap train is due to arrive given that I understand it will be coming direct from Acton. Thank you in advance. PM sent. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 19:26:25 GMT
I would be grateful if anyone could advise what time Thursday's scrap train is due to arrive given that I understand it will be coming direct from Acton. Thank you in advance. PM sent. What does 'PM sent' mean? despatched in the afternoon? I spoke to an enthusiast on the platform at Northwood today who claimed to know that Thursday's scrap move would depart Acton at 1026. Yesterday evening through the double fence, barbed wire and dense shrubbery off Princes Ave I could just make out a C stock train parked in the back sidings of Acton Works. So unless it's moved in the meantime I assume it's 1026 from there. Incidentally parked alongside was what looked like a 1959 stock tube train, but fearful of razor wire, scatter guns and armed guards didn't hang around so couldn't be sure. It's like the old East German border down there. |
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Post by domh245 on Jun 10, 2014 19:48:18 GMT
PM sent = Private Message sent
Seeing as this is sensitive information, Dstock7080 has sent graeme186 the information in private.
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