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Post by A60stock on Apr 5, 2023 17:02:41 GMT
Another big closure this weekend south of harrow.
Does anyone have details of what frequencies and services are being run on the met? I assume the fast amersham service will run?
Will the piccadilly line frequency be increased between rayners lane and Uxbridge to compensate?
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Post by A60stock on Mar 31, 2023 16:41:27 GMT
If any sense/logic is used in naming them, it should simply be what they're known as generally:
Watford-Euston Line or Watford DC line (Or make it part of the Bakerloo line from a branding perspective but the operations can remain totally separate - would just be the case that trains to Watford only run to and from Euston, same as how Trains to edgware road on the district only run to Wimbledon) North London Line or North & West London Line (The Hammersmith & City Line has an & in it so don't see why this can't be done again) East London Line(as it was known as anyway) or East & South London line Lea Valley Line (Not sure what else it's known as) Gospel Oak and Barking Line
Yes i know in some cases the East London Line is not in East London and the North London Line is not in North london, but 99% of people looking at the map are not going to get confused when travelling from say Surrey Quays to Clapham Junction just because its called East London Line.
Its in no way much different to using the victoria line from Oxford Circus to Walthamstow which technically isnt a Victoria line because it does not serve Victoria or the Northern line going south from Kennington which is technically a Southern line!
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Post by A60stock on Mar 29, 2023 13:07:03 GMT
Completely agree that the lines should be named individually but the colours not changed. This would also make it much easier to implement any changes to signage as in many cases you could just sticker over "London Overground" and replace with the name of the line. I understand there would still be a few stations on the network where this is causes a little complication though, but still far easier than changing the colours and actually having to produce entire new diagrams and signs.
Don't forget that the Crossrail lines will also need to be individually coloured once there is a second Crossrail in operation, but that makes more sense as they truly would be "new" lines through London (and tfl would probably want them to have a similar feel to the individuality of each underground line) whereas the Overground feels more like a combined network around central London (yes I know there are some exceptions where they do hit central london zone 1) which should be treated as one family with different names.
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Post by A60stock on Mar 28, 2023 16:28:25 GMT
I would be very surprised if the intention is to use different colours for each line. They should all remain as orange, just name each individual line I guess!
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Post by A60stock on Mar 24, 2023 11:30:51 GMT
Was on the met the other day between Finchley and Wembley and the speedometer on my phone clocked up to 66mph (yes I know its not perfectly accurate but the train was going very quick). When the line goes to ATO, what speed will the the maximum the trains will be able to do on the fast sections between FInchley road and Moor Park?
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Post by A60stock on Mar 24, 2023 9:56:24 GMT
Do the lines have to get individual colours? Surely its just the names which need to change?
On a side note, it will be interesting to know which line keeps the current orange
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Post by A60stock on Mar 13, 2023 17:10:23 GMT
Hi all, a bit of a strange sounding question perhaps, but prompted by an observation whilst travelling yesterday, 12/03/23. As the train approached the platform end, it was travelling noticeably faster than usual for that point. One of the passengers I’d previously spoken to commented ‘he’s not actually going to stop’, and I have to say I also thought this may be the case, partly because the train also whistled once it had passed the platform end. (I momentarily wondered if was travelling out of service to try and get things back on time, and that the DMI was simply wrong, which is not unheard of on the Northern Met). As the train slowed over the length of the platform, I actually thought I was going to witness an over-run for the first time. That did not happen, but when the train did actually come to a stop, there was a strong electrical burning type of smell in the air. A sort of mix of hard braking in a car and the smell you get if you accidentally turn on a microwave with something unmicrowaveable inside! We then absolutely MOTORED to Rickmansworth, where I left the train and could still notice the smell upon doing so. It would seem that the train was being driven in something of a spirited manner, presumably in an attempt to recover the service. I have been on a fast train which announced at Harrow on the hill that the first stop would be Rickmansworth and not Moor Park. I made a post about it somewhere and to this day I still don't have an answer as to whether this was intentional or miscommunication between control and the driver. The train did not stop at Moor Park and no, this was not a Chiltern service districtdavesforum.co.uk/thread/30132/moor-park
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Post by A60stock on Mar 13, 2023 15:06:23 GMT
What date did the non stop harrow on the hills end?
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Post by A60stock on Feb 24, 2023 16:44:18 GMT
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Post by A60stock on Feb 24, 2023 16:32:04 GMT
<<Thread moved from Jubilee line - goldenarrow>>
Are these new? They look like they've just reprogrammed the old ones to produce a more modern arrangement? I don't think they are new
If they are new then what was the need to replace the old ones? There are still 80s DMIs in place on much of the network!
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Post by A60stock on Feb 22, 2023 23:26:21 GMT
When the refurbishment programme was being drawn up in the late 1980s the budget was very tight and there were several schemes the nearly didn’t go ahead, eg the A stock refurb.. Sorry I know this is off topic but did I just read that the a stock refurb nearly didn't go ahead?! What on earth would the plan have been?! Keep them at 50 years old in the origin state?!
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Post by A60stock on Feb 22, 2023 16:43:59 GMT
It appears that the wheelchair bays are where the sets of traverse seats are, so clearly, these could be removed. Why was this not done on refurbishment in the 90s like was done on the 73ts to make the whole train longitudinal seating only?
What do the new grab poles look like? Are these going to be across every car in every train?
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Post by A60stock on Feb 14, 2023 17:09:24 GMT
I recall reading that in one of the original plans for the jubilee line before the extension opened was to refurbish the 83 stock with double doors and run them in service alongside the then new 96 stock. Ofcourse this never happened and the 96 stock alone was sufficient.
What would have happened if that plan to run both in service had been given the green light? Would you have been able to re-signal the line to ATO like it is today? Even if you could, would the 83 stock performance be able to match that of the 96 stock?
More interestingly, the 83 stock would today be around 40 years old and replacement probably due, however, the 96 stock would not be anywhere near its life expiry. How would tfl have gone about stock replacement? I would imagine either the 96 stock would have been retired early or the 83 stock would have to solider on for another 10 years or so.
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Post by A60stock on Feb 7, 2023 23:54:31 GMT
If only there was footage of southbound trains non stopping harrow. Someone out there must have something! Somewhere on YouTube I have southbound non-stop trains at either Preston Road and or Northwick Park - or them both. I think that southbound trains still non-stop Wembley Park, but only in the am rush hour. Maybe one of these days someone will go there to film them. I cannot at present as I'm caring for aged parents and need to be at home at that time in the morning to sort out breakfast. Sorry, I meant specifically non stopping harrow on the hill southbound during the 90s or before.
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Post by A60stock on Feb 6, 2023 23:44:37 GMT
In 1990 yes, although I only saw them in the afternoon peak What year did they stop? If only there was footage of southbound trains non stopping harrow. Someone out there must have something!
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Post by A60stock on Feb 6, 2023 18:16:57 GMT
From the video I made it 8 minutes 41 seconds start to stop Harrow to Finchley Road. The current Working Timetable (WTT) calls it 10 1/2 minutes running time with passing times of 4 minutes to Wembley Park and 5 1/2 minutes to Neasden so I think it allows for some blocking back from Finchley Road which has always been common in the morning peak but even more so currently with it being the Tripcock to ATC mode change spot at the moment. On the video I estimate Wembley Park starter passed after 3min 27sec and Neasden after 4min 53sec so only about 1/2 min up on what the WTT now shows for regular running which always includes a recovery margin. In those days the speed limits were 60mph I think for most of this run as indeed now reverted to. This was before the 50mph limit was put on to A stock to make them last a bit longer! You can hear this one needed the work that was later done on the gears and their set-up! Perhaps someone else will chip in with timings for known intermediate distances. For the total distance from the reasonably but not totally accurate distances in the WTT, the average for this whole run Harrow to Finchley Road was 49.94mph. Edit: I just checked Northwick Park to Preston Road and calculate the average between those to be 53.96mph and that is mostly downhill. I think the driver shut off for a bit shortly before Preston Road, or it could just be the equipment dropping out then re-motoring after a gap or excessive shoe bounce. Thanks for this! Of particular note is the fast run from Moor Park to Harrow is down the local lines and boy it looks like that train is really hitting some top speed. I have never seen a train run fast on the local at that speed, not to mention the luck that it's a clear run the whole way! Were there still peak fast trains which skipped harrow southbound at this time? I was expecting this to be the case but clearly not in this situation
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Post by A60stock on Feb 6, 2023 16:08:21 GMT
I've just come across this gem on youtube. Any guesses as to what speed that train is doing and is that possibly a record for shortest time taken between harrow and Finchley road?
If anyone has anything similar to this, please do share!
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Post by A60stock on Jan 23, 2023 22:05:55 GMT
Appreciate there is probably a reason for how things operate but the message on the met line was completely poor and out of sync. TFL say the met is running from wembley park and ofcourse staff can only reiterate what is said there.
Get to Wembley park and guess what.......no met line and people being advised to take local buses from Queensbury on the jubilee. Strangely enough a train was parked on platform 1 not in service whilst another came out of the depo and passed out of service on what was a very busy platform 2. Why could either of these not have been run in service if they were clearly departing in the direction towards harrow?
This is quite frankly ridiculous for customers who need stations harrow and onwards as they would have been better advised to have gotten Chiltern from Marylebone to harrow.
The message should really say the met is suspended from harrow to alagate.
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Post by A60stock on Jan 23, 2023 18:01:01 GMT
Assuming this will not be resolved for the remainder of the day given how serious this is?
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Post by A60stock on Jan 20, 2023 10:34:25 GMT
From comments on various forums and social media, the livery seems to attract the full spectrum of opinions from love to hate! Personally I'm not at either extreme - it's OK but rather dull and (imo) they could have done better. I do wonder what it would have looked like with a corporate blue skirt, white window surrounds and teal doors. Why corporate blue? The corporate DLR colour has been used. The reason the OP mentions the Corporate blue is because this has been a part of the standard TFL livery style on LU and LO, with the difference being the colour of the doors to match the colour scheme, e.g. orange for over ground. Although on saying that, the Elizabeth line and DLR have never followed this style. IMO it should be consistent and the teal doors (or purple with the Liz line), blue skirt and white body/window surrounds was what I had been expecting for both the new DLR and Crossrail trains. But perhaps the style is changing to what we are seeing on the DLR and Liz line and maybe something similar will one day appear on LU. In addition the Trams in Croydon also have a similar livery but I appreciate the doors are black rather than green.
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Post by A60stock on Jan 18, 2023 16:44:05 GMT
I was under the impression that as other boundaries are at stations, where trains usually have to crawl through anyway to pass if they arent stopping, its quite easy to prevent much of an overrun, however in this case, it will be at a point where trains are travelling upto 60/70mph so it would be quite an overrun if a driver forgot about the switchover.
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Post by A60stock on Jan 18, 2023 14:07:57 GMT
I believe that will result in fast trains being halted at preston road (south and northbound?) to switch over. I am hoping this arrangement would not last too long?
Also, what precautions will be in place to prevent drivers going southbound on the fasts from passing the switchover point without stopping?
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Post by A60stock on Jan 18, 2023 11:41:35 GMT
When is the next area of the Met , north of Finchley Road due to go live?
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Post by A60stock on Nov 25, 2022 16:54:03 GMT
DMIs were installed inside of the 73 stock quite easily and this was over 20 years ago. Surprised to hear its so different on the 72s
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Post by A60stock on Nov 22, 2022 15:02:20 GMT
For me, the way in which stopping patterns are announced is incorrect.
The station system announcements and displays should list the stations the train does call at and not include the ones which are skipped. This is standard practice on national rail metro routes in london. The announcements on the train can announce stations being skipped at the station before this happens.
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Post by A60stock on Oct 13, 2022 12:04:51 GMT
Sorry if this has been mentioned already but does anyone have the provisional service pattern in tph which will be run come 6th November?
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Post by A60stock on Oct 12, 2022 14:33:07 GMT
The reason 202 points were out of commission was because of an issue with the moveable angles on this crossover. 202MAs are notoriously unreliable, largely due to their age, location and somewhat unique nature. They're prone to sticking and failing as soon as the weather warms up, and are one of the main reasons for the implementation of the 'hot weather plan'. It's worth pointing out that even if they had been notionally available for use, the Harrow Hot Weather Plan (or Harrow Plan as we've taken to calling it) has been implemented near enough daily for months now, leading to an increase in northbound semi-fast services even off peak, or 'fast up the local' running north of Harrow. I'm surprised it's causing so much alarm, because not having 202MAs available is very much the baseline. I thought the Harrow Hot weather plan was only in reference for fast trains north of harrow resulting in southbound fast trains using the local line and northbound fast trains using platform 1 at harrow. I then believe this was changed to mean that both northbound and southbound fast trains use the local lines north of harrow/south of moor park I did not realise this affected trains South of harrow running as all stations/semi fast which need to use platform 3. If there is an issue with the points which means that all stations trains to Watford/Amersham or Chesham are unable to to switch from local to fast (coming from Northwick Park), they are still able to use the points just after platform 4 to switch to the correct line right? This therefore wouldn't be an issue off peak as the entire northbound service would be fine using only platform 4 at Harrow. If the points are that much of an issue, why not implement a new timetable making all non-Uxbridge trains semi-fast? I doubt the majority of met line users would complain about this. Additionally, for any fast trains running north of harrow, a timetable designed to accommodate fast trains using local would be very useful as it is an absolute pain in the *** when fast trains get stuck behind a local service because the timetable is designed assuming that such trains are using the fast lines. TFL need to wake up and smell the coffee. The points south of harrow should have been re-layed at the same time the equivalent points on the southbound were redone (which now allow line speed running to switch between local and fast or vice versa from platform 5 and 6). As this was not done, the only way to sort this out is to simply bring back off peak fast and semi fast services, or at least semi fast services, which are very popular. I am pretty sure that Preston Road and Northwick park would be fine with 8tph in the off peak. Off course I am sure that the more informed members of the forum can cast their opinions on my thoughts above
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Post by A60stock on Sept 21, 2022 8:13:36 GMT
Yes. Dates are perhaps a little ambitious at the current rate of progress so are not guaranteed!! SMA8 (Finchley Road to Preston Road) April 2023 SMA9 (Preston Road to West Harrow/Moor Park) July 2023 SMA13 (Moor Park to Amersham/Chesham/Watford) August 2023 SMA14 (West Harrow/South Harrow to Uxbridge) Jan 2024 It is still beyond me as to why the Met North of Harrow is in scope (Quite possibly North of Finchley Road as well) when the Western ends of the District (which I am guessing are far busier than the Northern Met) won't be included. Is this still on track for the above dates?
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Post by A60stock on Sept 21, 2022 8:11:39 GMT
The Elizabeth line has now been open for almost 5 months. This is far the opposite of being rushed, its too slow
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Post by A60stock on Sept 20, 2022 21:36:11 GMT
Still no changes to the new maps to include the overground interchange at Liverpool Street.
Also note that the smaller maps above the doors have still not been changed to the new ones. Why such a delay?
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