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Post by Alight on Jun 16, 2023 10:41:12 GMT
I can confirm in the past week or so the DMIs at London Bridge are back working again.
On the point around favourite types of screens, I rather like the new ones on the Bank Southbound; they are large and easy to read. My least favourite are the tiny ones mentioned by some of you already e.g. those deployed at on the Central line at Bank or D&C at Victoria etc.
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Post by Alight on Jun 6, 2023 8:54:51 GMT
Regarding the external displays query, I suppose this would be considered a luxury given every platform has a DMI. The only time it may come in hand is if the platform DMI says "check front of train"...
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Post by Alight on May 21, 2023 9:25:23 GMT
According to this video of Borough dating to 1985, the screens had only just been installed then (and ironically not working, presumably because they hadn't been activated yet) and this is the same style of screen still in place at London Bridge today. In other words, they are ancient by DMI standards. I wouldn't say it's been months, probably only weeks since they've been not in use. There is a pre-recorded PA announcement read by a member of staff playing on a loop informing customers that the screens aren't working but rest assured the the trains come every 3-5 minutes. Link fixed - Tom
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Post by Alight on May 17, 2023 11:52:56 GMT
Thanks for sharing. The wheelchair bays are reminiscent of what they've done on the W&C line. It's a shame they've opted for that dated colour and not used the opportunity to go for bright white.
I wonder if they'll cover up the door buttons? As much as I find them nostalgic, wouldn't this have been a good opportunity? I can't imagine it would cost a great deal.
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Post by Alight on Apr 10, 2023 20:29:28 GMT
When will a mock-up be available for the public to visit? - presumably this year if roll out is expected 2025?
I recall the S stock one at Euston Square Gardens was in 2008 ahead of the roll out from 2010. The '09 stock was also available to view in Euston Square Gardens c. 2006.
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Post by Alight on Apr 6, 2023 11:51:34 GMT
btw, to my eyes Goblin and Wimbleware are on par with Bakerloo - all three actually refer to stations served by trains on these lines. I see where you're going with this, however to my mind the "B" in GOBLIN to represent Barking is a bit of a stretch. Incidentally, I know many people are fans of the "GOBLIN" name but I personally find it horrid. It conjures up the association of actual goblins!
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Post by Alight on Mar 29, 2023 8:45:48 GMT
Mon 1 May: Marble Arch to Loughton / Hainault (Night Tube) Does that mean eastbound trains reverse into the siding at Marble Arch and then T/Op switches end and train moves forward to westbound, and then T/Op switches end again?
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Post by Alight on Mar 24, 2023 11:42:09 GMT
I think the route with the most amount of stations would be the one that is kept orange, as this would be the most cost effective. On that basis, the Romford line would most definitely not be orange if they had to pick!
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Post by Alight on Mar 23, 2023 21:47:13 GMT
I think the letters would be cheaper because all the existing LO signage/colours can remain but they just supplement with a few additional letter signs here and there.
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Post by Alight on Mar 22, 2023 19:42:50 GMT
www.mylondon.news/news/zone-1-news/transport-london-spend-4million-naming-26535283.ampKey quote: "The Mayor has previously signalled that the lines would be named, not lettered or numbered, to reflect the capital's diversity." This is a shame as I know there were some great suggestions in the now-locked thread about lettering: districtdavesforum.co.uk/thread/26169/separate-route-identitiesI think this could have worked: A-Richmond-Stratford B-CJ-Stratford C-H&I-West Croydon D-H&I-Crystal Palace E-H&I-Clapham Jct F-Dalston Jct-New Cross G-Goblin H-Watford DC (I not in use could be mistaken for 1) J-Liv St.-Cheshunt k-Liv St.-Enfield Town L-Liv St.-Chingford M-Romford-Upminster Would have meant the network retains its orange colour across all lines but different letters could be peppered across the map and signage. Conversely, separate line names will require 5x new colours for the map.
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Post by Alight on Mar 16, 2023 20:59:57 GMT
I was being slightly facetious there. You're absolutely right, in the world of TfL customer language they are treated as two separate things, not least to showcase the distinctiveness of LO being in line with 'Tube' and DLR fares. I suppose in a way the public understand the "national" element of national rail as being trains that go farther afield linking up the nation, and the "London" element of London Overground being trains that are within the realm of London (for the most part).
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Post by Alight on Mar 16, 2023 14:37:54 GMT
Not to mention London Overground is in itself a National Rail service!
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Post by Alight on Feb 28, 2023 17:55:38 GMT
Depends what they are trying to do - follow a standard or not. Well the TfL Corporate style guide says not to pluralise unit symbols, so if this extends to DMIs then they are in breech. That being said, provided the information is understandable by the masses, it's probably not worth updating for the sake of it. All I'm thinking is if they are going to take the trouble to modify the JLE screens, they might as well drop the "s" on "min" as it will probably only take a few secs (see what I did there!) to do so, and would at least be in keeping with their own style guide.
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Post by Alight on Feb 26, 2023 19:09:44 GMT
I agree with some of the comments re: block capitals. I much prefer this style. Some of the Northern line boards still have these.
I am surprised they didn't take the opportunity to correct the "mins" on the updated Jubilee line board to "min". The new Bank platform has this format, and is currently the only LU board to have dropped the 's'. The DLR and Elizabeth line displays also use "mins" but the LO and bus DMIs use "min". I know it sounds minor, but I for one find "mins" looks a little clunky and a tad amateur given unit abbreviations are not meant to be pluralised.
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Post by Alight on Feb 13, 2023 23:03:45 GMT
For an TTS announcement system introduced around 2007/8, the quality of them is very good, with the voice sounding like it's running out of breath on some announcements - does anyone know who supplies them? I am finding contradictory information within this FOI request trail: www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/info_on_the_announcementsIt says on the one hand they are TTS, on the other hand voiced by a member of staff. The Geoff Marshall video indicates the latter, and that she isn't available anymore.
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Post by Alight on Feb 7, 2023 0:10:10 GMT
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Post by Alight on Nov 24, 2022 22:50:47 GMT
I'm only guessing but aren't dot matrix cheaper than the LCD screens? They probably want to minimise costs, especially as these are was beyond half-life refurbishments.
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Post by Alight on Oct 3, 2022 18:23:52 GMT
I'm sure many of us will remember 'Circle & Hammersmith' on the Northern line announcements up until 2016. Does anyone know the origin of how this phrase came about?
The announcements were recorded in 1998. By that time the H&C existed of course, but was there a push to try and describe it as one single line? Understood, line management is one, but from a public perspective they are two separate lines. Thoughts?
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Post by Alight on Sept 29, 2022 21:43:21 GMT
I am sorry to announce that North Greenwich has been next to fall victim to the Sarah Parnell treatment.
Absolutely awful. I'd have much rather they'd have retained Celia and just bodged in "London Cable Car" in Sarah's voice (ditto "City Hall" for Canning Town) to keep her input to a minimum. That could be disjointed, yes, but better than a whole re-record. Or better still they could have used Elinor Hamilton as they did with the Northern line and post-process the voice so that it's deeper.
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Post by Alight on Sept 9, 2022 17:37:15 GMT
) I have to say while I love the green text, I'm not a fan of the capitalised 'M' in 'Mins'. I mean technically it should be 'min' instead of 'mins' but I can't hold it against that particular style of screen, as all of them have done that ever since the 1981 trials at St. James's Park. I guess the TfL style guide hadn't been invented back then...
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Post by Alight on Aug 1, 2022 15:03:34 GMT
There were also VERA (I am not sure why it is always capitalised - is it meant to stand for something, or is her name actally 'Vera'?) recordings in several lifts, including Regents Park. There is a clip on YouTube in which you can hear her Regents Park lift recording (her explaining how to get to London Zoo etc.): acro - I notice in another thread you site the following website: www.haltestellenansage.de/ansagen/u/london/london_en.htm This website used to the have the VERA Bakerloo line recordings, but it didn't have the Victoria line ones, as that just had the Emma Clarke files. I have the audio files saved on a memory stick somewhere (I think!) - PM me and I can arrange to send them to you. The C stock also had them changed again in 2011 to match the recordings used on the S-Stock. 2009 actually - when the Circle line was extended to Hammersmith.
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Post by Alight on Aug 1, 2022 14:50:30 GMT
This must be a glitch, or the driver manually selecting the announcement too many times. Normally I would only play once - twice at the most.
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Post by Alight on Jul 29, 2022 17:29:26 GMT
What about "Grange Hill via Woodford" trains? Are these still a thing? I believe the thinking was to take the train straight to the depot, rather than continuing to Hainault and reversing from there.
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Post by Alight on Jul 13, 2022 8:28:03 GMT
Yes it does, however the screens display "Heathrow Terminals 4, 2 and 3" and therefore don't repeat the word "terminals".
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Post by Alight on Jul 12, 2022 22:50:26 GMT
The change from T123 to T2&3 has finally meant that the announcements have been upgraded. Rather than "this is a Piccadilly line service to Heathrow Terminals 4 and 123" it now says "... Heathrow Terminals 4 and Terminals 2&3"
The platform DMIs still haven't been updated.
Side note: they took the opportunity to add the British Transport Police messages at select stations such as Wood Green; the same male voice as heard on the Northern line.
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Post by Alight on Jun 29, 2022 17:20:24 GMT
This coincides with the upping of frequency of trains to/from Battersea. Given there were no additional trains purchased for the Northern line, does this mean there will be more turning back at Golders Green and Finchley?
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Post by Alight on Jun 10, 2022 13:43:44 GMT
Ah that's interesting. Likewise the Bakerloo line Elizabeth additions seem to be quieter than the originals.
I have found a video of the new Northern line announcements for this interested:
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Post by Alight on Jun 10, 2022 12:30:43 GMT
I noticed a male announcer on the Northern line last night for the British Transport Police message. It plays at Clapham North, Borough, Goodge Street and Archway - not sure where else.
I am pretty sure he says "sort it" rather than "sorted" but it is hard to distinguish.
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Post by Alight on May 25, 2022 10:09:41 GMT
Where is the positioning of the PIS? Either end a la the 1986 stock?
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Post by Alight on May 24, 2022 23:26:18 GMT
I am so pleased Celia managed to record before she passed. The announcements integrate in well.
On the other hand, I am disappointed by the choice to use Sarah Parnell to re-record the entire Canning Town announcement. It just sounds so bad - and all just to mention City Hall, which isn't really necessary. I didn't think she was contracted to work on the JNP on-board systems...
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