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Post by Alight on Jul 27, 2020 13:34:28 GMT
Does anyone have any photos of the charcoal-coloured interior panels please? I can't picture in my head what these look like.
Also, come to think of it I have never been able to find any photographs of what the refurbed MkIs looked like when in use on the Northern line. Has anyone else come across one? I am picturing in my head an interior similar to that of the MkII stock albeit with charcoals grab poles/bars?
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Post by Alight on Dec 3, 2018 22:52:13 GMT
It is possible the spiral staircase was replaced later, perhaps at the same time as the fitting of the new lighting system. In this old clip from a tour in 1993 there are no direct shots of the staircase, but it is clear the passageways were lit by incandescent lighting rather than the newer fluorescent bulkheads. So Down Street as an evacuation route must have been modified in stages. Going back to the partition walls, I have just had a look in the book entitled 'London's secret tubes' (Andrew Emerson & Tony Beard). It says the following: "a visit by one of the authors revealed that the offices in the lower subway remained intact in 1986 including the historically most interesting committee room. The whole lot has now been swept away and the subway returned to a long, bare, empty subway." This makes me think the argument for the walls coming down to clear way for an evacuation route is more credible than the argument to make way for the IMR equipment.
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Post by Alight on Dec 2, 2018 2:41:46 GMT
Thanks Moquette. Was the new spiral staircase installed by the early '90s when you began delivering tours?
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Post by Alight on Dec 1, 2018 1:38:49 GMT
Are you talking about the walls on what was originally the "way-out" passageway (I.E. one level up from platform level; where the bottom of the spiral staircase & lifts were?) Correct!
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Post by Alight on Nov 21, 2018 16:46:04 GMT
I think it was Emma Clarke. Pauline Cavilla was the voice and only seemed to be at select stations managed under the BCV group. As someone else has already alluded to, TfL are now going over to one system, which happens to be the legacy Tubelines system voiced by Elinor Hamilton. I have to say I was not impressed by their decision to replace the other system we haven't mentioned yet known as 'Voice Perfect' (voiced by Henrietta Bass) at stations where the system was fine as it was. For instance, Voice Perfect at Victoria was replaced with the legacy Tubelines one upon opening the new Cardinal Place entrance and it just sounds so unnatural on the inflections and cobbled together. The only stations where they seem to have retained Voice Perfect along that stretch of the Victoria line are Vauxhall and Pimlico but I suspect it is only a matter of time...
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Post by Alight on Oct 25, 2018 10:51:38 GMT
Hi all, I have a question regarding Down Street disused station. Earlier this year I went on a Hidden London tour of the station during which we learnt about how the passageways were subdivided into various offices etc. Check out photographs on this page of Sub Brit to see what I mean. Whilst all the subdivisions are still present along both platforms, on the lower landing/passenger footways all the partition walls are gone, presumably so it can be kept clear for evacuation. Does anyone know when these walls came down? Was it following the King's Cross fire of 1987 or before then?
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Post by Alight on Oct 25, 2018 10:44:42 GMT
That's smashing - thanks!
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Post by Alight on Oct 24, 2018 18:22:01 GMT
Quite an interesting lightbox display they have there at Elephant & Castle - what the do the four quadrants represent? Piccadilly Circus, on the other hand, appeared to already be fitted with DMIs... the same type still on the platforms there 32 years later!
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Post by Alight on Sept 23, 2018 22:17:50 GMT
There are intermediate shafts on the Victoria line. Some are escape shafts. One might find oneself in Gibson Square gardens, for example!
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Post by Alight on Sept 22, 2018 12:57:37 GMT
Thanks rummer. Isn't it just a matter of the Arsenal one being a station shaft?
I've been in one of the new Crossrail intermediate shafts and they have a staircase, lift and quite a large headhouse. At track level the distributors come in from a cross passage between the running lines. To think the Manor House to Turnpike Lane example is just a chimney!
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Post by Alight on Sept 18, 2018 16:48:51 GMT
When shafts between stations serve the running tunnels is this in the form of some kind of distributor* through the crown of the tunnel? I ask because whenever I travel between stations and feel that whoosh of air hitting the train (e.g. between Turnpike Lane and Manor House) I never see any evidence of the shaft from the passengers' perspective, suggesting it is bringing air in directly from above and not from the sides. Of course, some retrofit shafts do provide air from the sides e.g. Down Street, which comes from the platforms. *I am guessing this looks not dissimilar to the image third from the bottom of this post.
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Post by Alight on Apr 8, 2018 12:40:23 GMT
As I understand it, the service update / planned closure messages are signalled in from the control room to each of the trains, rather than the T/Op setting them up. This means the messages are, in theory, consistent across all trains.
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Post by Alight on Apr 5, 2018 0:01:50 GMT
That foot tunnel looks tiny!
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Post by Alight on Apr 4, 2018 15:18:38 GMT
Thanks! I love the video - very 'DEV'!
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Post by Alight on Apr 2, 2018 21:21:22 GMT
fish7373/Rummer: There's something missing here. By your description, track walk begins from WB platform. When you reach the crossover there are some planks laying across it (to form a bridge). Then somehow you're in the siding where you telephone the supervisor - is there not still a passageway between the crossover and siding?
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Post by Alight on Apr 1, 2018 23:03:46 GMT
Thanks PiccNT, really appreciated!
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Post by Alight on Apr 1, 2018 20:56:17 GMT
Thank you for your response, North End. It's funny, most of these recounts of using the passageway in question tend to be set back 30-40 years ago!
Regarding boltholes, I think I know what you mean. There is one visible on the northbound approach to Victoria (Vic line) where if you look to the right several metres before the junction where the siding diverges, there is a lit up bolt hole. Trains will often hold in line with it during rush hour, so if you happen to be at the right spot on the train, you can peer through. I just about made out a green emergency sign, however as you say there is the problem with cables running across, which no doubt impedes access.
I am guessing the set up at Down Street is more of a glorified corridor?
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Post by Alight on Apr 1, 2018 19:03:32 GMT
Does the 7th image down depict the link between the two buildings?
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Post by Alight on Apr 1, 2018 18:48:07 GMT
I have read in a handful of sources that the very end of the DSsiding has foot access to the HPK crossover. However, it is very difficult to find out more about this - it only ever seems to be referenced in a sentence or so.
My questions are: 1) Was there ever a link passageway for drivers to walk down? If so, does it still exist? 2) If it does exist, is it still common practice for drivers to use it, or would they walk down the main running tunnels? 3) Are there any photos? (There are quite a few DS siding photos knocking around, but these are usually taken closer to the DS end)
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Post by Alight on Mar 18, 2018 23:35:18 GMT
I have no objection to this version but I do wish the Central Line had its own version too! Jealous Simon It's ironic that the Barman moquette was intended to be of a unifying colour scheme and that ignoring this idiom has actually given those lines (with variants of Barman) a sense of identity even if they stem from the same design. @jammz posted up a mock up of what they though a Red Barman could have looked like on this thread. districtdavesforum.co.uk/post/369456I thought TfL's justification for using the standard Barman moquette was economies of scale. They seem to have changed their tune on this one, as the Piccadilly line of ALL the lines would have been best suited to the standard Barman in the first place, given its colour. While I like the design of this new variation (as do I also for the Bakerloo line), it just seems a bit unnecessary on this occasion.
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Post by Alight on Mar 13, 2018 16:48:16 GMT
That is 'VERA' -- she voiced the Bakerloo line before Emma Clarke. --- I know there has been discussion on this forum before regarding Celia Drummond and how her original recordings on the 1995 stock sound completely different to those on the 1996 stock, and indeed some of the newer ones on the '95s. I found out recently she used to be in a 1970's band called Tree. On thiswebpage she is interviewed and one of the questions is about how her voice has changed over time: " How do you feel your voice has gone over time? Naturally with age I’ve lost the purity of the higher range, but have more in the lower range now. Apart from singing with you, I’m really rather out of practice!" Perhaps this explains things!
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Post by Alight on Jan 22, 2018 23:04:35 GMT
I have finally managed to hear one of the new announcements (Stratford) on YouTube:
Apart from starting slightly quieter than the original, I don't think it is too bad.
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Post by Alight on Jan 14, 2018 11:23:32 GMT
And the announcements are annoyingly loud too! They have this exact variant on the Victoria line platforms at Victoria; the volume actually increases as the train pulls in, so there is no escape!
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Post by Alight on Jan 10, 2018 22:49:59 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if they have already recorded the 'Elizabeth line' interchange in the current batch, which they would release at the end of the year.
Does anyone know what is different about the new Bank messaging?
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Post by Alight on Jan 9, 2018 14:53:54 GMT
But weren't the northern line announcements updated much more recently yet they kept it as 'Docklands Light Railway' You are right... a missed opportunity!
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Post by Alight on Jan 9, 2018 10:03:28 GMT
There was a blanket upgrade in 2003 when Mayo was replaced with Emma. The update following that saw some stations rerecorded - you have just reminded me that Stratford was another one. These newer recordings sound a lot clearer and 'Docklands Light Railway' was changed to 'DLR'.
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Post by Alight on Jan 8, 2018 21:58:05 GMT
superteacher -- remember there was an update post-2003 when Bank and Liverpool Street were rerecorded. So this would be the fourth, but that doesn't explain the long gap between re-recordings. I had been told the original computer used to load the announcements was no longer available, which is why they became stuck as they were. I don't, however, have any hard evidence to substantiate such a claim -- especially not now they have been upgraded!
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Post by Alight on Jan 8, 2018 20:58:23 GMT
I wonder how they updated the announcements? I was always told by people in the know that it was no longer possible to upgrade the announcements because the computer technology from the early '90s was no longer compatible! So much for forward planning, but somehow they've found a solution!
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Post by Alight on Jan 8, 2018 17:21:37 GMT
Thanks for the update, 59stock. I suspect it is Sarah Parnell (who currently holds contract for BCV and SSL announcements), who was specifically selected to blend in with existing tones, and thus has been used for updates on the Bakerloo line (termination messages) and D78 stock (when Blackfriars was closed).
I wonder why Notting Hill Gate needed replacing? Admittedly it was a little robotic sounding, but perhaps they’ve added an ‘exit here for’?
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Post by Alight on Jan 6, 2018 15:03:33 GMT
Given the pictures that show the top half of the loop tunnel removed in at least one new step plate junction chamber, I would ask that every single driver, and every single awake passenger, who has been around the loop since this was done and failed to spot it have their eyes tested before they are next allowed to operate machinery. Sorry, I meant to ask - has anyone been able to photograph it from riding on the loop?
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