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Post by superteacher on Sept 27, 2018 5:04:33 GMT
Funny thing, when I arrived in Fremantle Australia as a child, I was suppressed that the train doors were left open all the time, early form of air conditioning and they were manually operated by the passengers. As kids we always stood in the door way hanging tightly on to the hand rail being careful not to fall out. However this kind of common sense has been drummed out of us over the following generations. www.westonlangford.com/media/photos/115081.jpg There’s a slight distinction though between using common sense and exercising plain stupidity!
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Post by superteacher on Sept 25, 2018 18:04:54 GMT
But there are only 4 sidings there. I suspect common sense applies here - if all the sidings are full then they aren't available and the train will be taken to the nearest suitable place that is available. Common sense on the railway? Now, now Chris . . .
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Post by superteacher on Sept 25, 2018 15:44:38 GMT
Most of the group I work with at my depot haven't the first clue why the strike has been called. Most don't care but are willing to comply with the union for this strike call but will think long and hard if another is called. That's an interesting point, especially in view of the quote from the RMT (below): ". . .comprehensive breakdown in industrial relations, abuse of procedures and the reneging on key safety and operational improvements promised by management after previous rounds of industrial action".
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Post by superteacher on Sept 25, 2018 15:16:29 GMT
I suppose it all depends on safety as well. If the gaps between trains become too large it might be easier to close the services. The other question relates to booking off. If a driver books off at Acton Town, the train can’t just stay there. Would they be asked to stable it in Northfields depot, even though it goes past the end of their shift? I think there is a agreement that the driver takes the train to the nearest siding / depot or bay road. In the case of Acton Town if there is a siding available the train can go in there. But there are only 4 sidings there.
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Post by superteacher on Sept 25, 2018 14:17:35 GMT
Usually if they have booked on they usually finish the shift but the service management team would start to wind down the service early to ensure the trains are in the right place for when the strike gets called off / finishes I suppose it all depends on safety as well. If the gaps between trains become too large it might be easier to close the services. The other question relates to booking off. If a driver books off at Acton Town, the train can’t just stay there. Would they be asked to stable it in Northfields depot, even though it goes past the end of their shift?
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Post by superteacher on Sept 25, 2018 13:58:45 GMT
I’m assuming the afternoon shift won’t be booking on. So the service will start to wind down as the early turns book off? Or will be a case of at 1.00pm, everyone is chucked off with the trains returning to the depots empty?
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Post by superteacher on Sept 25, 2018 8:05:41 GMT
What caused the congestion on the first place? Yet anther example of poor service information.
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Post by superteacher on Sept 25, 2018 6:27:12 GMT
When I was a Controller on the Northern Line (1970s and 1980s), the train crew depots were Edgware, Golders Green, High Barnet, East Finchley, Euston (a small number of 'inside' duties), Kennington and Morden. Many crew reliefs took place at Camden Town (mostly for meal reliefs) and an early and late PNR crew was provided at Camden Town on the early and late shift, who came from other depots, as Camden Town was not a 'depot'. PNR - Physical Needs Relief (going to the loo in blunt speak!). What is an “inside” duty?
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Post by superteacher on Sept 23, 2018 9:29:58 GMT
The long term aim is for all lines to be ATO anyway. However, thst isn’t going to happen for around 15 years or so.
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Post by superteacher on Sept 22, 2018 17:18:33 GMT
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but was It a mistake to fit them with plug doors?
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Post by superteacher on Sept 22, 2018 13:35:07 GMT
Hi, Some time back I bought an original station double sided lightup underground sign. The previous owner had wired it up with a mains connection. Unfortunately the lamp has gone in it and wanted to find out if anyone knows how to open it up so I can replace the lamp. Before I go any further is this OK to ask on this forum? If so I can post pictures of the sign. Regards It’s not breaking any forum rules, so go for it.
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Post by superteacher on Sept 22, 2018 7:27:44 GMT
There was a signal failure at Stratford which meant no service from Hackney Wick to Stratford for about two hours from 11.30 - 13.30 ish. OK, these things happen, but it's the aftermath which puzzles me. Firstly, there is only one platform available at Hackney Wick to reverse trains, so there was a backlog of trains waiting to get into the station, so much so that it took about an hour to get from Highbury to Hackney Wick. Surely to mitigate the delay, there was the option to reverse some trains at Highbury or Dalston Kingsland? At least this would have reduced the congestion. When the service resumed, it was put out that the service was suspended from Willesden Junction to Clapham Junction / Richmond due to "the earlier failure at Stratford." Now I can only presume this was done to enable trains to get back on time. However, to me, that is a poor show and lazy controlling. At least set up a shuttle between Willesden and Clapham / Richmond whilst the service recovers. And this state of affairs continued until 18:00! I'm not sure if anyone else on here knows anything else, but from my observations it was one of the worst handled situations that I can remember.
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Post by superteacher on Sept 22, 2018 0:15:16 GMT
Also, could the surplus existing stock be adapted to run on the Waterloo and City line, thus releasing the '92 stock' to bolster the Central line? No. Don't forget the 92ts on the W&C aren't currently compatible with the 92ts on the Central. The latter have had several modifications which didn't happen to the stock on the drain. Think it’s in the region of several hundred modifications!
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Post by superteacher on Sept 21, 2018 23:59:22 GMT
And in the meantime the 345’s are still experiencing daily issues, mainly with the doors. Is there something being done to address it, because after 15 months in service they shouldn’t be failing as often as they are.
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Post by superteacher on Sept 21, 2018 23:53:55 GMT
I'm aghast that were once again having to ensure a strike. I was intending to get a group of young exchange students to LHR on the tube that day. Makes our transport look a right dog's breakfast. This commuter has lost patience with Piccadilly drivers. I assume you mean “endure”. And wasn’t the last strike called off. I’m not taking sides here, but you might like to find out the full facts of the dispute before blaming the drivers. And if the strike goes ahead, you can still get to LHR by TFL Rail.
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Post by superteacher on Sept 19, 2018 6:20:20 GMT
Indeed, this has been discussed before. Locking this one.
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Post by superteacher on Sept 18, 2018 8:34:32 GMT
Quite a rare thing for the whole DLR to be suspended. Total signalling system failure by the sound of it.
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Post by superteacher on Sept 16, 2018 11:56:04 GMT
Works have been completed with Bank branch trains stopping as usual.
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Post by superteacher on Sept 15, 2018 16:35:32 GMT
Pretty sure it happened during 1993 ish on the Central line via the Old Ford fan shaft. That was during a major power failure which shut down the line east of Liverpool Street for around 3 days.
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Post by superteacher on Sept 13, 2018 18:33:18 GMT
Hopefully this will follow the pattern of recent proposed strikes and be called off nearer the time.
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Post by superteacher on Sept 13, 2018 7:51:50 GMT
What will be the travelling alternatives, should the strike take place? Depends where you want to travel.
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Post by superteacher on Sept 12, 2018 12:49:16 GMT
There’s been a significant update to the CTBC software and given that it needs to be properly tested, the go live date for 0.5 has moved again..... New date is 17th/18th November 2018? 😂😂😂
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Post by superteacher on Sept 6, 2018 13:27:59 GMT
Or just a convenient point of blame? I'm rather disappointed with this delay, as I won't be living in London or UK by then :-( It does make sense though. I believe that the core signalling is also a reason,
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Post by superteacher on Sept 5, 2018 8:27:41 GMT
Thst was pretty much the whole situation summed up Chris M. Time to lock this one as we are going round in circles.
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Post by superteacher on Sept 4, 2018 13:14:13 GMT
At what point of passenger stupidity do we draw the line of responsibility? Ultimately, trains will only be deemed safe if they don't move at all! Trouble is, a duty of care is owed to those unable to take responsibility for their actions. Whether that is due to stupidly, absent-mindedness, disability or whatever. In this day and age, and whether we agree with it or not, that is certainly the case. The thread is now drifting into a general discussion about passenger behaviour. Can we all get back to talking about the RAIB report, as per the thread title. Thanks.
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Post by superteacher on Sept 4, 2018 12:00:57 GMT
I'm quite sure you wouldn't love to see that if you were on a packed train pressed against doors which flew open. A bit odd to wish for something that could result in death. I think he meant that he'd like to have seen ' that' - i.e. the situation where the doors opened in a lightly loaded carriage, and as a matter of actual fact, no one was injured. I think it would be quite spooky. Not exactly scary, but something that would make you feel anxious and uneasy - at least for a moment or two. Maybe, but my comment still stands.
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Post by superteacher on Sept 4, 2018 11:42:03 GMT
Gosh, I'd love to see that :-) And it happened on my line, on a stretch I pass daily... I'm quite sure you wouldn't love to see that if you were on a packed train pressed against doors which flew open. A bit odd to wish for something that could result in death.
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Post by superteacher on Sept 4, 2018 11:40:05 GMT
I think that sensitive edge / automatic door re-opening technology has a lot to answer for in terms of giving passengers the belief that train doors will open if they are obstructed. It totally infuriates me when I see people doing that just so that they can board the train that they have missed. I am all for making our railways as safe as possible, but in this day and age there is a culture where people think that accidents are never their fault, no matter foolish their own actions may have been. However, the main concern of the RAIB is to ensure that procedures and policies are in place to mitigate risk as far as possible, and there is a clear failure in this case, regardless of the actions of the passenger in question.
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Post by superteacher on Sept 4, 2018 7:28:23 GMT
I don't know what is more astonishing the passenger filming that did not bother to alert the driver, or the people sat in the carriage that haven't even noticed it. The next station is West Hampstead change for National rail services. Doors are open on the left hand side. You will have a difficult life if you aspire to understand the behaviour of passengers . . .
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Post by superteacher on Sept 4, 2018 0:09:35 GMT
I think the big question will relate to how the train was able to depart Finchley Road with doors open because under normal circumstances a train cannot take power with open doors. We will have to wait and see.
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