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Post by PiccNT on Jun 26, 2018 10:06:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2018 13:25:05 GMT
Good timing for that bit!
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Post by Red Dragon on Jul 3, 2018 17:55:57 GMT
Is this still on? They've chosen a great time to strike considering the Great Northern inner suburban services have been the latest GN service to descend into chaos, with mass cancellations and lengthy delays Both routes are already under serious strain so I don't envy the commuters on the northern and the LO (Anglia). And I suppose there's no chance of bus extras with the current financial situation? There goes local buses as well.
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Post by superteacher on Jul 3, 2018 21:43:43 GMT
At the moment the strike is still going ahead.
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Post by PiccNT on Jul 4, 2018 9:14:04 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 13:16:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2018 9:45:34 GMT
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Post by brigham on Sept 13, 2018 7:41:32 GMT
What will be the travelling alternatives, should the strike take place?
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Post by superteacher on Sept 13, 2018 7:51:50 GMT
What will be the travelling alternatives, should the strike take place? Depends where you want to travel.
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Post by brigham on Sept 13, 2018 14:10:09 GMT
I was thinking of places in the area of the Piccadilly Line, initially. Are the larger cab operators planning an organised rail replacement service, or is urban transport no longer the issue that it was?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 14:52:49 GMT
With any replacement service being an extra financial hit on TfL's finances - I suspect they'd want to avoid any replacement as much as possible.
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Post by goldenarrow on Sept 13, 2018 15:16:38 GMT
I was thinking of places in the area of the Piccadilly Line, initially. Are the larger cab operators planning an organised rail replacement service, or is urban transport no longer the issue that it was? Last time industrial action was mooted for this summer past, the contingency plan was to run limited stop replacement bus service between Heathrow Central Bus Station and Hammersmith for onwards connections. I assume the same contingency plan will be put in place this time should the strike go ahead. With any replacement service being an extra financial hit on TfL's finances - I suspect they'd want to avoid any replacement as much as possible. Whilst finance is a consideration, it not the sole factor behind such decisions. The Piccadilly line is also a feeder to Heathrow taking alot of traffic into the Zone 1 area for onward connections so not providing an alternative route would be balanced by the reduction of usage on other parts of the transport network much further away. Whilst TfL Rail is now an option for travel (albeit more expensive) option to Heathrow within the TfL network, a half hourly service provided by less than satisfactory 5 car trains is not seen as being capable of handling strike displaced traffic.
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Post by superteacher on Sept 13, 2018 18:33:18 GMT
Hopefully this will follow the pattern of recent proposed strikes and be called off nearer the time.
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Post by orienteer on Sept 13, 2018 19:50:13 GMT
There have been no Heathrow rail shuttles running between terminals recently due to "lack of rolling stock", and passengers have been directed to use the Picc instead. Sounds like a total disaster in the making!
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Post by roverlei on Sept 21, 2018 13:50:31 GMT
I'm aghast that were once again having to ensure a strike. I was intending to get a group of young exchange students to LHR on the tube that day. Makes our transport look a right dog's breakfast. This commuter has lost patience with Piccadilly drivers.
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Post by superteacher on Sept 21, 2018 23:53:55 GMT
I'm aghast that were once again having to ensure a strike. I was intending to get a group of young exchange students to LHR on the tube that day. Makes our transport look a right dog's breakfast. This commuter has lost patience with Piccadilly drivers. I assume you mean “endure”. And wasn’t the last strike called off. I’m not taking sides here, but you might like to find out the full facts of the dispute before blaming the drivers. And if the strike goes ahead, you can still get to LHR by TFL Rail.
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Post by goldenarrow on Sept 25, 2018 13:44:57 GMT
RMT Union and London Underground have concluded talks at conciliation service ACAS to no avail.
Strike action is set to go ahead.
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Post by superteacher on Sept 25, 2018 13:58:45 GMT
I’m assuming the afternoon shift won’t be booking on. So the service will start to wind down as the early turns book off? Or will be a case of at 1.00pm, everyone is chucked off with the trains returning to the depots empty?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2018 14:11:21 GMT
Usually if they have booked on they usually finish the shift but the service management team would start to wind down the service early to ensure the trains are in the right place for when the strike gets called off / finishes
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Post by superteacher on Sept 25, 2018 14:17:35 GMT
Usually if they have booked on they usually finish the shift but the service management team would start to wind down the service early to ensure the trains are in the right place for when the strike gets called off / finishes I suppose it all depends on safety as well. If the gaps between trains become too large it might be easier to close the services. The other question relates to booking off. If a driver books off at Acton Town, the train can’t just stay there. Would they be asked to stable it in Northfields depot, even though it goes past the end of their shift?
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 25, 2018 14:29:29 GMT
Usually if they have booked on they usually finish the shift but the service management team would start to wind down the service early to ensure the trains are in the right place for when the strike gets called off / finishes I suppose it all depends on safety as well. If the gaps between trains become too large it might be easier to close the services. The other question relates to booking off. If a driver books off at Acton Town, the train can’t just stay there. Would they be asked to stable it in Northfields depot, even though it goes past the end of their shift? From my own experience they put trains away early to ensure drivers don't go over their booking off time e.g.someone due to finish at 15:00 will stable the train at 13:00 I'm aghast that were once again having to ensure a strike. I was intending to get a group of young exchange students to LHR on the tube that day. Makes our transport look a right dog's breakfast. This commuter has lost patience with Piccadilly drivers. But infinite patience for the Piccadilly management who created the problem... <<superteacher: consecutive posts merged.>>
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2018 15:02:40 GMT
Usually if they have booked on they usually finish the shift but the service management team would start to wind down the service early to ensure the trains are in the right place for when the strike gets called off / finishes I suppose it all depends on safety as well. If the gaps between trains become too large it might be easier to close the services. The other question relates to booking off. If a driver books off at Acton Town, the train can’t just stay there. Would they be asked to stable it in Northfields depot, even though it goes past the end of their shift? I think there is a agreement that the driver takes the train to the nearest siding / depot or bay road. In the case of Acton Town if there is a siding available the train can go in there.
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Post by superteacher on Sept 25, 2018 15:16:29 GMT
I suppose it all depends on safety as well. If the gaps between trains become too large it might be easier to close the services. The other question relates to booking off. If a driver books off at Acton Town, the train can’t just stay there. Would they be asked to stable it in Northfields depot, even though it goes past the end of their shift? I think there is a agreement that the driver takes the train to the nearest siding / depot or bay road. In the case of Acton Town if there is a siding available the train can go in there. But there are only 4 sidings there.
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Post by PiccNT on Sept 25, 2018 15:19:28 GMT
Most of the group I work with at my depot haven't the first clue why the strike has been called. Most don't care but are willing to comply with the union for this strike call but will think long and hard if another is called.
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Post by superteacher on Sept 25, 2018 15:44:38 GMT
Most of the group I work with at my depot haven't the first clue why the strike has been called. Most don't care but are willing to comply with the union for this strike call but will think long and hard if another is called. That's an interesting point, especially in view of the quote from the RMT (below): ". . .comprehensive breakdown in industrial relations, abuse of procedures and the reneging on key safety and operational improvements promised by management after previous rounds of industrial action".
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Post by PiccNT on Sept 25, 2018 15:54:04 GMT
Most of the group I work with at my depot haven't the first clue why the strike has been called. Most don't care but are willing to comply with the union for this strike call but will think long and hard if another is called. That's an interesting point, especially in view of the quote from the RMT (below): ". . .comprehensive breakdown in industrial relations, abuse of procedures and the reneging on key safety and operational improvements promised by management after previous rounds of industrial action".All I can say is that we do not recognise any of this! Maybe someone somewhere has fallen foul of a procedure but in my experience, it's normally those that take the mickey particularly where attendance is concerned.
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Post by Chris M on Sept 25, 2018 16:08:54 GMT
I think there is a agreement that the driver takes the train to the nearest siding / depot or bay road. In the case of Acton Town if there is a siding available the train can go in there. But there are only 4 sidings there. I suspect common sense applies here - if all the sidings are full then they aren't available and the train will be taken to the nearest suitable place that is available.
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Post by superteacher on Sept 25, 2018 18:04:54 GMT
But there are only 4 sidings there. I suspect common sense applies here - if all the sidings are full then they aren't available and the train will be taken to the nearest suitable place that is available. Common sense on the railway? Now, now Chris . . .
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Post by MoreToJack on Sept 25, 2018 21:18:15 GMT
But there are only 4 sidings there. I suspect common sense applies here - if all the sidings are full then they aren't available and the train will be taken to the nearest suitable place that is available. The point still stands that you can't assume that a driver will be happy to go over their booked shift finish in order to move a train to the nearest available siding - this could be some distance from Acton Town. Accordingly whilst some trains may be put away there, services will - as mentioned - be run down early to ensure that everything is in a depot and drivers can book off at their correct time. Another issue is one of train prep/stock availability for when services start up again. Stabbing points away from primary depots may not have either the staff available nor the facilities for train prep, and without that a train cannot run in service, and will need to be moved to a primary depot for that prep to take place. Of course, there may then not be any appropriately qualified staff available to prep the train, and no spare stock, and so the problem propagates and increases.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 25, 2018 23:40:30 GMT
At the risk of being repetitive on strike days trains are usually put away early rather than have drivers work up to their book off time to find the driver that was meant to relieve them hasn't booked on.
The last time there was a strike on I stabled a train around 21:00 in Loughton when I was meant to book off around 22:30 at Leytonstone.
The whole ''take the train to the nearest depot or siding'' thing is only used when something unexpected happens, as strikes have to be announced well in advance management can hardly claim it's unexpected.
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