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Post by superteacher on Apr 15, 2024 11:50:52 GMT
T115 22.06 departure from Upminster depot, first bogie derailed at outlet on catch points. Incorrect procedure followed. Did they need to outstable trains?
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Post by superteacher on Apr 15, 2024 11:33:37 GMT
There was a suspension between Dagenham East and Upminster this morning, so assuming the incident was at Upminster depot.
Does anyone have any more details (avoiding speculation as per forum rules).
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Post by superteacher on Apr 12, 2024 10:23:47 GMT
Is it no longer possible to access the depot direct from Hampstead?
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Post by superteacher on Apr 9, 2024 11:19:40 GMT
Regardless of who was mayor and how much funding was provided, this level of failure is quite unprecedented. I recall that it was BREL who built the trains, but were the motors purchased separately?
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Post by superteacher on Apr 8, 2024 22:01:08 GMT
If I'm not mistaken I believe the previous Mayor of London cancelled replacement stock for the Piccadilly, Bakerloo, Central and Waterloo & City lines in late 2009? If he didn't I don't think we'd be in this mess ! (Not that this conversation should go down the politics avenue) The 1992 stock is 30 years old which isn’t really that old for a train. They are now a similar age to their predecessors (1962 stock) when they were about to be replaced. The difference between reliability between the two stocks is stark. It’s always been known that the 92’s were a poor product, but has that been compounded by poor maintenance and lack of investment?
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Post by superteacher on Apr 8, 2024 20:00:47 GMT
60 train service? How has it ever been allowed to get to this point?
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Post by superteacher on Apr 3, 2024 12:50:03 GMT
Surely the Bakerloo extension south of Elephant and Castle must hold some sort of record in terms of how long it’s been proposed for? It’s been talked about since at least the 1940’s!
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Post by superteacher on Mar 31, 2024 20:58:43 GMT
Back in the 90’s, the signalling was state-of-the- art and the first time that a traditionally signalled line was upgraded to electronic based systems. I think few people could have foreseen how quickly technology was going to become obsolete.
Without wishing to drift off topic, will the systems on the northern, jubilee and SSL have similar issues, or not because there are fewer solid-state components?
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Post by superteacher on Mar 31, 2024 20:47:49 GMT
They used to start and stable via the east end (in service / out of service at Hillingdon), a move which is no longer possible. Thank goodness! They didn't always show the correct destination on the train or describer, so I would settle down at the front of the train heading to Uxbridge, only to be tipped out onto a wet and windy platform at Hillingdon to await the next train when I could have waited for it somewhere more sheltered. The platform describers showed the trains as “Hillingdon / Uxbridge”, but Hillingdon was shown on the front of the train. I personally feel that losing direct access to the sidings via the eastern end is a backward step as it reduces flexibility. If they need to put trains into the sidings for unscheduled reasons, it’s much harder nowadays.
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Post by superteacher on Mar 29, 2024 20:26:29 GMT
Even in the 80s there were 4 trains stabled in Uxbridge sidings. They used to start at the beginning of the morning peak and stable at the end of the evening peak.
They used to start and stable via the east end (in service / out of service at Hillingdon), a move which is no longer possible.
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Post by superteacher on Mar 29, 2024 20:03:13 GMT
Good explanation.
You’d think that if they did want to speed up its journey to the depot, at least they could extend it to Stratford which gives more opportunities for ongoing travel.
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Post by superteacher on Mar 29, 2024 17:24:55 GMT
Odd - why doesn’t it run in passenger service?
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Post by superteacher on Mar 29, 2024 14:35:41 GMT
According to the timetable, there is an eastbound train which terminates at Whitechapel at 00:27. What does train do subsequently?
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Post by superteacher on Mar 28, 2024 14:56:54 GMT
Even in the most murky parts of the FRIPAS board, the idea of a level crossing over a high-frequency metro service is pretty out-there!
They will have to cough up for the bridge repairs in one way or another.
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Post by superteacher on Mar 28, 2024 12:19:12 GMT
Considering the train has been stripped and you're trying to put modern equipment into a train from the 90s you're bound to run into problems. For example the traction problems and most recent radio problems. There was a memo around to staff a few weeks ago saying CLIP production had been suspended! But I believe number 2 is just delayed from August to December which is expected. Most likely the CLIP team have run into some problems on their end or as you said it could be financial problems. But fingers crossed number 1 gets its faults ironed out ready for 'proper' passenger service. Right now it's just operating once a day between Ruislip Gardens and Grange Hill. Yesterday it did the trip to Hainault depot and then back down to Ruislip depot! I think I'm right in saying that this is the most extensive refurb / rebuild of any underground stock to date. Perhaps it will be like "Trigger's Broom" from Only Fools and Horses!
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Post by superteacher on Mar 28, 2024 12:17:23 GMT
The service messages have always frustrated me because they are not really any use to anybody. However, I'm well aware that this has been discussed at length on this forum in the past.
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Post by superteacher on Mar 28, 2024 8:27:35 GMT
It seems that since the COVID pandemic, there has rarely been a time when all of the lines have operating a so-called "good service" due to various reasons, the main ones being shortage of staff or non-availability of trains.
In the past week or so, there seems to have been more instances of "good service" across the board. This is good, but the cynic in me is wondering whether they've just changed the criteria?
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Post by superteacher on Mar 28, 2024 8:23:24 GMT
Hadn't actually realised the completion date was 2029! That's a seriously slow refurb project!
I suppose it buys TFL some more time before they have to replace the fleet with the New Tube For London, which at this rate will be obsolete itself . . .
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Post by superteacher on Mar 27, 2024 12:30:46 GMT
As one of the mods who stepped back last summer, I'd just like to say how much I enjoyed working with both of the admins who stepped down. I also know that the new mods will be great as both have shown their commitment to the forum over a number of years.
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Post by superteacher on May 8, 2023 14:41:23 GMT
I have found that recovering from delays has definitely got worse over the years.
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Post by superteacher on Dec 27, 2021 12:41:16 GMT
I don't recall the Guards riding with the driver. If they were supposed to be on the same train, so as to be ready for the next pick up, which could be a 62TS, then I'm pretty sure they were told to ride in the saloon. Not sure whether that was rigidly adhered to after train jockeys were withdrawn. Someone from Central line Operations at the time may remember. During the early part of 1992 stock introduction, guards were rostered on all duties, regardless of the stock booked to operate it. Sometimes, the guards rode up front and sometimes they stayed in the crew depot. As the rollout continued, certain workings were designated for one person operation and thus had to be operated by 1992 stock. As the service reliability was so poor back them, trains were often reformed meaning that an OPO designated working ended up with a 1962 stock with no guard available!
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Post by superteacher on Nov 13, 2021 16:21:24 GMT
I think that on LU, they stopped referring to them as season tickets back in the 80’s when Travelcards were introduced.
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Post by superteacher on Nov 13, 2021 11:57:41 GMT
Some “long arm” tactics may solve the problem! The 1992 stock was the first attempt at a truly modern driving cab, and was a lot better than the first ATO stock (1967), which had the start buttons behind the driver. The door controls were behind the driver, the ATO start buttons were conveniently placed in front of the driver below the speedometer and air gauges. Thanks - I knew that there were some controls behind but got it the wrung way round! I believe the door controls were moved upon refurbishment.
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Post by superteacher on Nov 13, 2021 10:28:47 GMT
Some “long arm” tactics may solve the problem! The 1992 stock was the first attempt at a truly modern driving cab, and was a lot better than the first ATO stock (1967), which had the start buttons behind the driver.
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Post by superteacher on Oct 23, 2021 11:32:34 GMT
We have drifted significantly away from the thread topic. Whilst gapping may be relevant, the vagaries of Central line ATO should be discussed elsewhere.
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Post by superteacher on Oct 22, 2021 3:27:15 GMT
They were pretty much all Queens Park - Elephant, except for the four trains to / from Watford. And trips out on the sunny Stanmore branch! Of course - totally forgot about that. It’s been a long half term at school! 😂😂
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Post by superteacher on Oct 21, 2021 21:19:33 GMT
Back in the 1970s it seemed that around half of the Bakerloo duties involved Elephant-Queen's Park shuttles, and even at Queen's Park the sun was hidden. Out in the station the glass canopies were once whitewashed for wartime blackout! No longer white! And then up in the reversing sidings you were hidden in a shed! Hard to get your required vitamin D! They were pretty much all Queens Park - Elephant, except for the four trains to / from Watford.
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Post by superteacher on Oct 20, 2021 19:56:29 GMT
Was it Barons Court to Wood Green ? Think it was. I just remember that it was a lot of tunnels! Not as bad as the Liverpool Street - Marble Arch shorts on the Central line!
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Post by superteacher on Oct 17, 2021 20:32:26 GMT
In more recent times hasn't it been used to reverse at Hammersmith both platforms, with passenger working through the siding either to or from as necessary? Yes, but I suppose it’d be too disruptive to reverse there when a through service is operating.
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Post by superteacher on Oct 17, 2021 17:31:44 GMT
Don’t remember the last time Barons Court was used to reverse scheduled trains. Years ago, it was a regular off-peak reversing point but apart from unscheduled use, I can’t recall any occasions in recent years where trains have been booked to reverse there.
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