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Post by superteacher on Dec 3, 2018 17:57:45 GMT
The bulletins that Heathrow provide are known for being notoriously vague. I plan on taking my lunch break today with some colleagues and friends who work with them so watch this space as I’m sure they’ll be able to clear this up. Given the constraints imposed by the annual fares revision process I suspect TfL did all the requisite changes for HEX and "activated" them within its systems from 22 November. However if HEX don't switch their bits on at Paddington then it doesn't work. I think HEX will have to switch on before we get to 2 Jan because then another set of fares tables kicks in system wide for the new 2019 fares. I'd also guess they'd quite like to have Oyster / Contactless up and running for the Christmas get away too. I suspect it is the separate gateline at Paddington Mainline that is the thing that triggers a journey to be by HEX rather than TfL Rail. This is the same concept that applies with Gatwick Express at Victoria and, in a slightly different way, with South Eastern Hi-Speed at St Pancras and Stratford International. Nice to see that priv PAYG will also work on HEX - I may even be tempted to take an off peak ride. I've only ridden HEX once in the very early days when it wasn't quite so extortionately priced. Only used it once and didn’t pay a penny! No, wasn’t fare dodging but in the early days it was a named alternative when the Picc had engineering works affecting the Heathrow service.
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Post by superteacher on Dec 2, 2018 21:46:37 GMT
Back on topic please.
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Post by superteacher on Dec 2, 2018 21:12:55 GMT
superteacher , So are the trains. The infrastructure on the line is getting a pummelling without the necessary rolling programme of repairs to counteract this fast enough. Given the intensive service pattern that dominates relatively light demand on the outer reaches of line, management taking pot shots at the unions is wearing down alot more than just rolling stock. The signalling system may be more modern, but it still has thousands pieces of kit that wear with every train that passes. Computer control systems arguably require as much care and attention as the conventional electromechanical types of conventional signalling just in a different medium. I would say that the signalling system is relatively modern, but not modern. Imagine using a mobile phone or desktop computer from the early 1990s in 2018... True, but it’s still some way short of it’s planned design life,
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Post by superteacher on Dec 2, 2018 8:17:23 GMT
I can also think of subsequent examples of where Oyster has been extended to stations (or will be) with Intercity services: Watford Junction, Slough, Reading, Shenfield. I'm sure there are others. Pretty sure no inter city services call at Shenfield.
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Post by superteacher on Dec 1, 2018 17:37:26 GMT
It seems that things aren’t any better. Seems like daily signal failures. Why is the signalling so unreliable? After all, it’s only around 20-25 years old.
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Post by superteacher on Dec 1, 2018 17:31:07 GMT
That was the hope for the Jubilee/MET when the 4LM contract was re-tendered and given to Thales yet look at what we’ve ended up with, the same company providing moving block systems with barley a decade between them and yet ironically incompatible. Exactly. Probably by the time the Picc is done it'll have BBTC or something Probably have invented teleporting by then - no need for trains at all! 😂😂
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Post by superteacher on Dec 1, 2018 17:18:43 GMT
Will the Fast lines still be able to be used by District line trains in service or are they going to be hemmed in? Local lines only fitted for CBTC. More loss of flexibility! Perhaps it will be done when the Picc is resignalled someday.
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Post by superteacher on Dec 1, 2018 0:05:51 GMT
Should be there.
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Post by superteacher on Nov 30, 2018 12:44:32 GMT
Wouldn't a VIP have some sort of escort with them? I would be surprised if a VIP that was that important would be using the Underground? Or should you be posting the arrangements for VIPs on here for security reasons? In this context, VIP stands for Visually Impaired Person / Passenger.
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Post by superteacher on Nov 29, 2018 20:53:07 GMT
But the service between South Harrow and Rayners Lane was at best every 20 minutes at one point there was an hour gap. Therefore, the status should have mentioned minor / severe delays between those two stations. This was not the case. That was exactly the point I made in (1). Indeed you did. I was going to add (but forgot, been a long day!) to your quote about the length of delay when severe delays becomes part suspended. Do you think an hour gap should constitute that?
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Post by superteacher on Nov 29, 2018 18:24:54 GMT
There are apparently severe delays due to "customer incidents" at Green Park and Hyde Park. Suggestions that this may be passengers passing out owing to overcrowding from unreported delays online. Any insight? It certainly seems that there are many persons within LU trying to make themselves look good by deliberately misleading passengers. Is lying not a disciplinary matter? I find any suggestion that customers are fainting on trains due to overcrowding to be hyperbole. There are a couple of separate issues at play here with service status:- 1. The first is that the line is not being advertised as being PART SUSPENDED between Rayners -> Uxbridge and with MINOR DELAYS between South Harrow -> Rayners, despite L.U.L's own internal guidelines that I posted earlier in the thread stating that they should. 2. The second is harder to quantify. One thing that many people don't understand is that the Service Status is reflective of the overall/general picture for a stretch of line and isnt going to be reflective of every single journey. A single train cancelled, compounded by a delay to the following train of 4minutes might appear on the board if you get to the platform at the wrong time as a 9minute wait, however the majority of trains _are_ running and are not canceled & accordingly there is a GOOD SERVICE despite one or two trains being canceled and a bit of late running. But the service between South Harrow and Rayners Lane was at best every 20 minutes at one point there was an hour gap. Therefore, the status should have mentioned minor / severe delays between those two stations. This was not the case.
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Post by superteacher on Nov 28, 2018 19:31:36 GMT
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Post by superteacher on Nov 28, 2018 18:39:19 GMT
For the Bank station upgrade, there will be 11 weeks (May - August 2020) where Northern line track is closed southbound between Kennington and Moorgate, but trains will still run northbound (non-stop through Bank). I was wondering: how will this work operationally? Is it known what the service pattern will be on the different sections during the closure (or has there been speculation)? In particular, will the Charing Cross branch need a much higher frequency southbound than northbound to compensate for the lack of southbound trains on the Bank branch? What frequency can be sustained southbound between Camden Town and Moorgate? What frequency can/will be run northbound on the Bank branch? I couldn't seem to find anything on this, but presumably it's been worked out somewhere! I suspect they will run a limited southbound service to Moorgate which can reverse in the southbound platform. For this to happen, there will have to be a slightly reduced northbound service via the Bank branch. The Charing Cross branch will be increased, in particular on the southbound line. Can the ATO be altered so trains do not have to actually stop at bank or will they have to pause there? Station skips can be programmed into the ATO system.
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Post by superteacher on Nov 26, 2018 18:18:18 GMT
would there be much benefit in altering that? Assuming they are geared for national-rail speeds they won't get much chance to accelerate much beyond that in the short gaps between stations. When LT operated the line the limit was 40 mph. Won’t save much time I agree - was more a general enquiry.
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Post by superteacher on Nov 26, 2018 16:56:17 GMT
I would be very interested to see how they overcome the issue of a potentially incapacitated train operator. In view of Dstock7080's update, there is further scope for discussion. Due to this, the thread will be unlocked provided that the previously issued staff guidance (above) is followed. Any further incidents will be viewed in a serious light.
Carry on nicely.
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Post by superteacher on Nov 26, 2018 14:14:25 GMT
Will they be limited to 30 mph in the Moorgate tunnels like the class 313’s?
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Post by superteacher on Nov 25, 2018 20:03:05 GMT
Why is the disused Widened Lines track area not fenced off? I'd be worried someone might accidentally fall down there. No more risk now compared to when trains actually ran through there!
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Post by superteacher on Nov 20, 2018 21:36:27 GMT
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Post by superteacher on Nov 18, 2018 9:28:37 GMT
A looks like Romford.
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Post by superteacher on Nov 17, 2018 10:50:55 GMT
The purists certainly won’t like it, but we do have to accept that things do evolve over time. Years ago, it was almost impossible to find a map of BR services within London at underground stations, such was the disjointed thinking at the time. With Oyster abd Contactless, people freely move between different modes of transport and this has to be reflected in maps etc.
London was a very different place when Harry Beck designed his first map.
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Post by superteacher on Nov 16, 2018 10:06:28 GMT
Looks like another change. The booked Uxbridge trains now seem to be diverted to Northfields. Not sure why South Harrow is not being used.
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Post by superteacher on Nov 16, 2018 7:44:18 GMT
If they are/were terminating at South Harrow, how do TFL propose passengers get from, say, Sudbury to Ruislip? Its only the ex-Uxbridge trains that will be terminating at South Harrow. The booked Rayners Lane trains will still go to Rayners. Although that came to grief yesterday evening after the trespasser at Barons Court and the fact that quite a few trains were out of service. It was about an hour’s gap between trains. I also see that the good service lies are continuing today! How many trains are not available for service roughly?
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Post by superteacher on Nov 15, 2018 20:26:14 GMT
There seem to be a number of missing trains elsewhere on the line, on my journey towards the North end in the mornings there have been 5-6 minute headways (timetable calling for, I believe, 2.5-3 mins), and several northbound trains I've seen described as Wood Green terminators. Again, the fibbing about good service perpetuates. It is a shame that they have been caught off guard by autumn sneakily happening, especially since there haven't ever been any problems like this in recent years. After the 2016 debacle, last year was a lot better. They seemed to have slipped back this year. Not sure how many trains were cancelled today, but the good service lie persisted all day until they had to change if after a suspension due to a trespasser at Barons Court.
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Post by superteacher on Nov 15, 2018 19:52:37 GMT
If they are/were terminating at South Harrow, how do TFL propose passengers get from, say, Sudbury to Ruislip? Some trains are running to Rayners Lane.
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Post by superteacher on Nov 15, 2018 16:49:10 GMT
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Post by superteacher on Nov 15, 2018 9:29:53 GMT
True. It’s advertised on Twitter as part suspended.
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Post by superteacher on Nov 15, 2018 9:20:39 GMT
A large number of trains out of service due to wheelflats. Not helped by facilities in Northfield’s depot being out of action. Owing to a couple of trains reporting low rail adhesion on the Met section (I.E. Rayners > Uxbridge), a decision was made to stop all trains going past Rayners lane in accordance with the leaf fall plan. This has been ongoing since yesterday morning. I suspected as much. Doesn’t help that TFL are blatantly lying by declariing a good service.
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Post by superteacher on Nov 15, 2018 8:19:42 GMT
Uxbridge trains seem to terminating at South Harrow, and there are extended gaps in the service. TFL site says good service. Anybody know what’s going on?
<<rincew1nd: Original thread title: "Issues on the line 151118">>
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Post by superteacher on Nov 14, 2018 6:45:03 GMT
The OP clearly noted that one of the orange lights that illuminate when the passenger doors are open remained illuminated on one car - would a cab door give that indication? They didn't say which car it was, but as they didn't say "first" or "last" it's more likely to be a middle one. I believe that when a cab isn’t live, the door forms part of the usual train doors circuit, meaning that the orange light would be illuminated if the door wasn’t closed.
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Post by superteacher on Nov 13, 2018 11:33:17 GMT
I’ve just realised I’ve got an S7 at Baker St MET recently on video folks! Any ideas how to upload it? It needs to be on a 3rd party host site such as YouTube.
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