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Post by malcolmffc on Jan 4, 2011 9:37:32 GMT
Sorry if this is old news, but it looks like the ELL extension to H&I will be opening in late February, well ahead of the official May date. There are direct H&I - West Croydon trains in the National Rail journey planner for Sun 28th Feb onwards
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2011 9:39:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2011 9:41:05 GMT
There's nothing concrete on this; just a plan. It all depends on getting the staff trained on the route; the stops at Dalston Jct have already been taken out to allow through running.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2011 16:36:22 GMT
Signalling and power were fully commissioned over Christmas and we are now hoping to run the first test train to H&I and back, sometime on Friday 7 January........all being well!
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Post by superteacher on Jan 4, 2011 19:35:22 GMT
Which trains will still terminate at Dalston - is it the Crystal Palace ones?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2011 21:23:55 GMT
Which trains will still terminate at Dalston - is it the Crystal Palace ones? No, the New Cross services will terminate at Dalston Junction. Both the Crystal Palace and West Croydon services will be extended to Highbury & Islington, providing 8 trains an hour from the station. |
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Post by superteacher on Jan 4, 2011 22:26:07 GMT
Which trains will still terminate at Dalston - is it the Crystal Palace ones? No, the New Cross services will terminate at Dalston Junction. Both the Crystal Palace and West Croydon services will be extended to Highbury & Islington, providing 8 trains an hour from the station. Cheers. Am sure that the original plans (a few years back now) were for the West Croydon trains to terminate at Dalston. Do you know if the Clapham Junction trains (via the ELL) will go to Highbury? If so, this will create a complete outer circle (albeit with one change for anyone who wants to do the full circuit!!!) |
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Post by malcolmffc on Jan 5, 2011 6:54:50 GMT
I think the CLJ trains will only go as far as Dalston Junction, on the basis that if you want to go from Clapham Jn to H&I it'll be quicker to go via Willesden Junction.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2011 17:08:17 GMT
Test train to Highbury & Islington ran successfully today.
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Post by superteacher on Jan 6, 2011 19:21:51 GMT
I think the CLJ trains will only go as far as Dalston Junction, on the basis that if you want to go from Clapham Jn to H&I it'll be quicker to go via Willesden Junction. I doubt that there would be much difference to be honest! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2011 21:05:38 GMT
Another test train will hopefully run from Dalston Junction to Highbury & Islington on Friday 7 January at approx 10am, returning to Dalston Junction at approx noon - all being well.
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Post by superteacher on Jan 6, 2011 21:17:11 GMT
Another test train will hopefully run from Dalston Junction to Highbury & Islington on Friday 7 January at approx 10am, returning to Dalston Junction at approx noon - all being well. So good to see trains finally running on the Dalston west curve after nearly 25 years. Dalston east curve next anyone! ;D ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2011 21:26:31 GMT
So good to see trains finally running on the Dalston west curve after nearly 25 years. Dalston east curve next anyone! ;D ;D They'd get clamped in the car-park ST!  I remember taking some of the last trains on the old Richmond to Broad Street service and marvelling at how they had the brass neck to run a railway through Dalston Junction Station, which at the time resembled a 1940s war zone, and then claim to terminate at a major London Terminus, which by then was a sort of temporary platform stuck out beyond the signal box leaving a walk of one million miles to the nearest point of civilization. God knows what foreign visitors must have thought. Still, all's well that ends well and I look forward to emerging from the north end of Dalston Junction into the sunlight at some point soon. |
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Post by superteacher on Jan 6, 2011 22:05:40 GMT
So good to see trains finally running on the Dalston west curve after nearly 25 years. Dalston east curve next anyone! ;D ;D They'd get clamped in the car-park ST! I remember taking some of the last trains on the old Richmond to Broad Street service and marvelling at how they had the brass neck to run a railway through Dalston Junction Station, which at the time resembled a 1940s war zone, and then claim to terminate at a major London Terminus, which by then was a sort of temporary platform stuck out beyond the signal box leaving a walk of one million miles to the nearest point of civilization. God knows what foreign visitors must have thought. Still, all's well that ends well and I look forward to emerging from the north end of Dalston Junction into the sunlight at some point soon. Yes, it was quite a sad end for Broad Street, considering the busy, grand station it once was. It rivalled Liverpool Street in its early days! |
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Post by bicbasher on Jan 6, 2011 22:41:25 GMT
Great news once it opens, I look forward to being able to use FCC from H&I instead of Moorgate.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2011 12:12:06 GMT
Unit 378233 operated a test run to Highbury & Islington this morning arriving at 10.56. The unit departed 10 minutes later running back to Dalston Junction.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2011 12:47:49 GMT
Unit 378233 operated a test run to Highbury & Islington this morning arriving at 10.56. The unit departed 10 minutes later running back to Dalston Junction. Tim, was a 378/2 used as opposed to a DC only 378/1 in case it had to switch to the NLL for any reason after arrival at H&I? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2011 13:08:39 GMT
What a good idea! Actually no it was the luck of the draw! In any case had the unit failed another could be sent from Dalston to haul it back to NXG. Had there been a signals failure the train could still operate under the rules. Power failure and it stays where it is! We have yet to test the AC/DC changeover track at H&I. So far, after 2 test runs, everything is going well and 28 Feb is looking more and more like the 'soft' start date.
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Post by alex92ts on Jan 7, 2011 18:27:35 GMT
Yes, it was quite a sad end for Broad Street, considering the busy, grand station it once was. It rivalled Liverpool Street in its early days! I really wish I got the chance to ride the Broad Street line before it closed! But I think I would of been too young to remember even if I did!. Well, at least I have used it as part of the ELL extension, and the extension to H&I will make it easier to ride the line, as I can get the Vic down from Walthamstow! Unit 378233 operated a test run to Highbury & Islington this morning arriving at 10.56. The unit departed 10 minutes later running back to Dalston Junction. I passed H&I on the NLL towards Stratford around that time, so it must be that one I saw on the new ELL platforms!. I think it had 'Welcome to the East London Line' or something similar on the destination. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2011 18:27:59 GMT
I loved the old Broad Street Station pictures and old films.
Anyone getting any piccies of the trial run trains north of Dalston yet? I would love to see these hot out of the camera!
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Post by Chris M on Jan 8, 2011 3:14:09 GMT
I think the CLJ trains will only go as far as Dalston Junction, on the basis that if you want to go from Clapham Jn to H&I it'll be quicker to go via Willesden Junction. I doubt that there would be much difference to be honest! If I wanted to go from Clapham Junction to Highbury and Islington, I'd go via Vauxhall and the Victoria Line! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2011 15:27:41 GMT
If I wanted to go from Clapham Junction to Highbury and Islington, I'd go via Vauxhall and the Victoria Line! Totally agree Chris. If you'd overslept or were in a hurry for other reasons, yes, that would be the correct way. If on the other hand, you had sufficient time to spare and didn't fancy spending any of it going up and down escalators or in a sweltering tunnel being told by the train's announcement system about which side to get off at  , which alternative way would you choose old son? As an example, once or twice a year I have to commute to Olympia from Woodford for a few days a week. Quickest way is Woodford to Shepherds Bush (Central Line) to Olympia (Overground).....well sod that. I'd rather get up a bit earlier and get Woodford to Stratford (Central Line) and Overground direct thereafter. Far more dignified and comfortable!  |
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Post by Chris M on Jan 8, 2011 17:07:35 GMT
Well, I'd probably do it via the East London Line if I were doing it tomorrow (and the line was open) as I've not been that way. Taking that out the equation, I don't know. My limited experience of the West London Line is that it is slower and less reliable[1] than I think it ought to be, but then I have no experience of the South London Line, so that may also be slower than I perceive it should be.
[1] On two of the ~4 occasions I've been waiting for an Overground train at Clapham, the first one has been cancelled. On the one occasion I was waiting for one at Imperial Wharf the first one was cancelled.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2011 18:55:33 GMT
Well, I'd probably do it via the East London Line if I were doing it tomorrow (and the line was open) as I've not been that way. Taking that out the equation, I don't know. My limited experience of the West London Line is that it is slower and less reliable[1] than I think it ought to be, but then I have no experience of the South London Line, so that may also be slower than I perceive it should be. [1] On two of the ~4 occasions I've been waiting for an Overground train at Clapham, the first one has been cancelled. On the one occasion I was waiting for one at Imperial Wharf the first one was cancelled. Better.............slow or whatever geezer, anything's better than the Victoria Line IMHO. Even if it's via Glasgow.............. |
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Post by slugabed on Jan 8, 2011 19:35:33 GMT
This is a journey I do very often....my parents live in Battersea and I live in Holloway.By far the quickest way is Victoria Line to Vaiuxhall then BR to Clapham Jct.
Off-peak is fine....and in any case,the WLL then NLL are often completely rammed from School closing-time onward.and have a tendency to leave you waiting between trains for ages.
Of course,I WILL go via the ELL/SLL from time-to-time once it opens...35 years trying and I've not yet bashed the Ludgate Lines...
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Post by edwardfox on Jan 9, 2011 21:44:51 GMT
Imagine you're on the westbound at Dalston Kingsland needing to get to Highbury, but there are serious delays on the eastern end of the NLL meaning a long wait. However, you're seeing trains coming round the curve from Dalston Junction every 7.5 minutes heading for Highbury. That would be frustrating.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2011 22:42:33 GMT
Well Dalston Kingsland to Dalston Junction will still be an OSI i believe not very convinient but better than a long wait.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2011 19:07:00 GMT
It's no distance really. I think it took me a couple of minutes to walk between the two.
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Post by superteacher on Jan 12, 2011 20:31:04 GMT
Imagine you're on the westbound at Dalston Kingsland needing to get to Highbury, but there are serious delays on the eastern end of the NLL meaning a long wait. However, you're seeing trains coming round the curve from Dalston Junction every 7.5 minutes heading for Highbury. That would be frustrating. You'd be better going to Dalston Junction in the first place - the service to Highbuty will be more frequent from there! |
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, which alternative way would you choose old son? 
