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Post by aslefshrugged on May 29, 2021 5:47:19 GMT
The FT claims that TfL will get another bailout of about £1bn to "cover roughly six months of TfL’s budget until the Treasury’s comprehensive spending review at the end of this year". However TfL will have to "find £300m savings in the current financial year" on top of the "£730m a year of annual spending cuts by the middle of this decade" and "identify between £500m and £1bn a year of new annual income-raising measures from April 2023". Various methods of "income-raising" suggested are:- - a new Greater London Boundary charge for cars driving into London - expansion of the capital’s congestion charge zone to the north and south circular. - fares to rise by the equivalent of 17 per cent spread over several years - increase the supplement in Londoner’s council tax bills equivalent to £130-£165 annually for Band D properties - a “tourist tax” or development levies www.ft.com/content/27a1b02c-3188-45ba-b903-923b5f563df2 |
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Post by aslefshrugged on May 30, 2021 13:02:02 GMT
Waterloo & City reopens 14 June, passenger services from 21 June
5 minute service
06:15 - 09:00 and 15:30 - 19:00
Just 10 drivers, 4 ''running'' and a spare for each peak
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Post by sawb on May 30, 2021 14:09:44 GMT
Waterloo & City reopens 14 June, passenger services from 21 June 5 minute service 06:15 - 09:00 and 15:30 - 19:00 Just 10 drivers, 4 ''running'' and a spare for each peak Can see the morning peak hours catching people out initially, given a lot of operators class morning peak as being until 10:00 (arrival at the London terminus) |
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 30, 2021 14:39:38 GMT
Waterloo & City reopens 14 June, passenger services from 21 June 5 minute service 06:15 - 09:00 and 15:30 - 19:00 Just 10 drivers, 4 ''running'' and a spare for each peak Can see the morning peak hours catching people out initially, given a lot of operators class morning peak as being until 10:00 (arrival at the London terminus) Last morning trains depart: Waterloo 10 02½ Bank 10 09 |
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Post by davidr1986 on May 30, 2021 17:55:53 GMT
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Post by aslefshrugged on May 31, 2021 3:35:48 GMT
Whoops, maybe whoever typed up the notice at Leytonstone hadn't seen the timetable...
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jun 1, 2021 9:09:32 GMT
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Post by superteacher on Jun 1, 2021 10:17:01 GMT
MOD COMMENT: Although TFL working timetables are available on the TFL website, we do not allow direct links to them to be posted on the forum as they are still officially marked "Private - for staff use only". One post has been edited to remove the link.
We appreciate that this may seems a bit odd, but this is in line with current forum rules.
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Post by greatkingrat on Jun 1, 2021 14:06:33 GMT
MOD COMMENT: Although TFL working timetables are available on the TFL website, we do not allow direct links to them to be posted on the forum as they are still officially marked "Private - for staff use only". One post has been edited to remove the link.
We appreciate that this may seems a bit odd, but this is in line with current forum rules. What rule is this in breach of? The relevant rule appears to be 7f, which specifically allows documents published by TfL to be posted. (7f) Reproduction of documents or portions of documents marked 'internal use only', unless these have previously been published by TfL under their Freedom of Information scheme or similar. |
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Post by superteacher on Jun 1, 2021 14:55:38 GMT
MOD COMMENT: Although TFL working timetables are available on the TFL website, we do not allow direct links to them to be posted on the forum as they are still officially marked "Private - for staff use only". One post has been edited to remove the link.
We appreciate that this may seems a bit odd, but this is in line with current forum rules. What rule is this in breach of? The relevant rule appears to be 7f, which specifically allows documents published by TfL to be posted. (7f) Reproduction of documents or portions of documents marked 'internal use only', unless these have previously been published by TfL under their Freedom of Information scheme or similar.
However, it has generated an interesting discussion, which can be viewed (and contributed to) via the link below:
districtdavesforum.co.uk/thread/32271/working-timetables-private-marking
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jun 4, 2021 15:45:24 GMT
Good news
Booked on for work and was greeted with an email sent today at 15:49 announcing that the W&C will open on Monday 7th, apparently they've had successful trial running this week
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jun 4, 2021 16:04:36 GMT
Good news Booked on for work and was greeted with an email sent today at 15:49 announcing that the W&C will open on Monday 7th, apparently they've had successful trial running this week passenger services have resumed for this evenings peak |
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Post by spsmiler on Jun 5, 2021 0:03:54 GMT
Rush hours only, I assume?
Has TfL or LU said anything to the public (Twitter?) about this?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jun 5, 2021 4:41:44 GMT
Rush hours only, I assume? Yes M-F only times as in TTN139/21 linked above 0615-1000 1530-1900 |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jun 5, 2021 7:48:52 GMT
First train
Dep Waterloo 06:07
Dep Bank 06:14
Last train
Dep Waterloo 10:02
Dep Bank 10:09
First train
Dep Waterloo 15:23
Dep Bank 15:30
Last train
Dep Waterloo 19:00
Dep Bank 19:07
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Post by rincew1nd on Jun 5, 2021 8:56:32 GMT
Rush hours only, I assume? Has TfL or LU said anything to the public (Twitter?) about this? Visiting their website just now (Saturday morning) it says the service is closed and will re-open on Monday morning. The bespoke W&C Twitter account closed a little while back along with all the others. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jun 5, 2021 9:30:08 GMT
Rush hours only, I assume? Has TfL or LU said anything to the public (Twitter?) about this? Visiting their website just now (Saturday morning) it says the service is closed and will re-open on Monday morning. Was correctly showing “Good Service” during the operational hours yesterday afternoon/evening |
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Post by grahamhewett on Jun 7, 2021 8:19:03 GMT
The re-opening is a great relief: last autumn's financial bailout discussions showed the Treasury flying the kite of permanent closures of parts of the network. Nothing specific was mentioned/leaked at the time but one can well imagine that the W&C, along with Mill Hill East and the Fairlop loop were in the Treasury sights. [Not that that would save any significant sums, any more than driverless trains will, but the important thing to understand about the Treasury is that, like the Bourbons, they learn nothing and forget nothing...]
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jun 7, 2021 8:56:31 GMT
The re-opening is a great relief: last autumn's financial bailout discussions showed the Treasury flying the kite of permanent closures of parts of the network. Nothing specific was mentioned/leaked at the time but one can well imagine that the W&C, along with Mill Hill East and the Fairlop loop were in the Treasury sights. [Not that that would save any significant sums, any more than driverless trains will, but the important thing to understand about the Treasury is that, like the Bourbons, they learn nothing and forget nothing...] The Fairlop loop is sacrosanct, a lot of influential people live in the vicinity and use those stations. As for the W&C the City of London Corporation would cause a huge stink if it was closed permanently. A return to Monday -Friday 06:15 - 22:00 and closing Saturdays seems more likely, we never understood why it was expanded in the first place According to BBC's Tom Edwards there was a "soft opening" Friday, so "soft" that none of us at Leytonstone knew it was open |
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Post by grahamhewett on Jun 7, 2021 10:07:27 GMT
I know, I know but whoever said the Treasury were sensible or sensitive. Over on the national rail network, they have doggedly pursued closures for decades, even though they know (a) they don't save money and (b) they are bitterly unpopular.
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Post by 35b on Jun 8, 2021 8:14:03 GMT
I know, I know but whoever said the Treasury were sensible or sensitive. Over on the national rail network, they have doggedly pursued closures for decades, even though they know (a) they don't save money and (b) they are bitterly unpopular. The key point being in the department’s title - Treasury. HM Government is the only organisation I know of that gives so much power to the group responsible for counting the money. |
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Post by spsmiler on Jun 10, 2021 23:35:24 GMT
Yes but HMRC benefit via a so-called back door when railways are closed - people switch to driving and therefore motor fuel taxes increase. Electric cars will end that...
On the topic of matters financial, as we know TfL desperately need people travelling and paying fares, but what is nowadays known as the Delta variant is spreading and I wonder if we will soon see people thinking twice again about how they travel - I have already been told that I should cancel all my public transport travel plans and either stay at home or only use a car for travelling to locations that cannot be reached by walking.
This will be very bad news for all public transport operators, not just those here in London.
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Post by brigham on Jun 11, 2021 7:43:18 GMT
HRMC are keeping very quiet about their plans to recover the taxation loss from the increasing use of electric cars.
Private cars have long been the bane of public transport operators. The whole point of buying a car in the first place is for "travelling to locations that cannot be reached by walking".
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jun 11, 2021 8:58:11 GMT
If you are "travelling to locations that cannot be reached by walking" you don't need a car, you need a boat or a plane.
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Post by 35b on Jun 11, 2021 9:36:22 GMT
HRMC are keeping very quiet about their plans to recover the taxation loss from the increasing use of electric cars. Private cars have long been the bane of public transport operators. The whole point of buying a car in the first place is for "travelling to locations that cannot be reached by walking". Politicians are keeping very quiet, because anything they do will be difficult and unpopular. I also suspect that their silence is because they don’t know what to do, not that they’ve got a master plan. |
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Post by brigham on Jun 12, 2021 7:05:22 GMT
If you are "travelling to locations that cannot be reached by walking" you don't need a car, you need a boat or a plane. Sorry. I'm in the Durham coalfield, not the Jet Set. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jun 12, 2021 7:48:11 GMT
If you are "travelling to locations that cannot be reached by walking" you don't need a car, you need a boat or a plane. Sorry. I'm in the Durham coalfield, not the Jet Set. People walk from Land's End to John o'Groats I'm in Leyton, I don't own a car but I've never needed one as I walk or use public transport to get wherever I need to go |
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Post by johnlinford on Jun 12, 2021 10:08:51 GMT
I’m in east London too, and didn’t need a car until my new job - going from home to Guildford to Enfield to Potters Bar to Barking in the same day just isn’t practical by public transport - and that’s one of the shorter days driving!
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Post by jimbo on Jul 9, 2021 2:06:27 GMT
Footnote to TfL press release for Battersea extension here , on the principle of hiding the bad news in the good news: “ a new timetable will be introduced on the Jubilee line starting on 3 October 2021. There are no changes to any peak time service levels, but there will be a small reduction in off-peak services between West Hampstead and Stanmore on weekday daytimes and on Saturday and Sunday mornings.” This seems to be the first of the expected economy cut-backs (the recent Bakerloo timetable fixing an operating problem). No change to central area frequency, but quite a scheduled mileage cut by turning some off-peak Stanmore trains at West Hampstead! Currently 4tph reverse at Willesden Green and Wembley Park off-peak, so presumably 4tph at West Hampstead will cut Stanmore service by a quarter. This cuts 40 minutes run time from each such trip. New Jubilee timetable thread here: link |
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Post by DWS on Jul 9, 2021 3:47:13 GMT
Footnote to TfL press release for Battersea extension here , on the principle of hiding the bad news in the good news: “ a new timetable will be introduced on the Jubilee line starting on 3 October 2021. There are no changes to any peak time service levels, but there will be a small reduction in off-peak services between West Hampstead and Stanmore on weekday daytimes and on Saturday and Sunday mornings.” This seems to be the first of the expected economy cut-backs (the recent Bakerloo timetable fixing an operating problem). No change to central area frequency, but quite a scheduled mileage cut by turning some off-peak Stanmore trains at West Hampstead! Currently 4tph reverse at Willesden Green and Wembley Park off-peak, so presumably 4tph at West Hampstead will cut Stanmore service by a quarter. This cuts 40 minutes run time from each such trip. Will this lead to a loss of train operators on the line , due to new rosters ? |
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