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Post by jimbo on Jul 9, 2021 21:01:34 GMT
Footnote to TfL press release for Battersea extension here , on the principle of hiding the bad news in the good news: “ a new timetable will be introduced on the Jubilee line starting on 3 October 2021. There are no changes to any peak time service levels, but there will be a small reduction in off-peak services between West Hampstead and Stanmore on weekday daytimes and on Saturday and Sunday mornings.” This seems to be the first of the expected economy cut-backs (the recent Bakerloo timetable fixing an operating problem). No change to central area frequency, but quite a scheduled mileage cut by turning some off-peak Stanmore trains at West Hampstead! Currently 4tph reverse at Willesden Green and Wembley Park off-peak, so presumably 4tph at West Hampstead will cut Stanmore service by a quarter. This cuts 40 minutes run time from each such trip. Will this lead to a loss of train operators on the line , due to new rosters ? We will soon hear! Doesn't peak service (unchanged) mainly determine the number of crews required? This may be about reducing the wear on the Jubilee fleet, which seems to be tearing itself apart! The increased off-peak services were mainly delivered on the basis that they did not cost much to provide once the peak crews and trains were available, but attracted more off-peak travellers. They also attract complaints of near-empty trains running around all day! New Jubilee timetable thread here: link |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jul 11, 2021 8:27:20 GMT
No Bakerloo Line services from 19:00 today. Customers are advised to complete their journeys by 17:30. BBC's Tom Edwards on Twitter claimng it due to shortage of control room staff but while I was writing this the status has changed to "good service" so maybe some of the staff have returned to work
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Post by rincew1nd on Jul 11, 2021 9:40:37 GMT
No Bakerloo Line services from 19:00 today. Customers are advised to complete their journeys by 17:30. BBC's Tom Edwards on Twitter claimng it due to shortage of control room staff but while I was writing this the status has changed to "good service" so maybe some of the staff have returned to work BBC News - No Tube trains to Wembley Central before Euro 2020 final www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-57794837 |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 11, 2021 12:38:21 GMT
No Bakerloo Line services from 19:00 today. Customers are advised to complete their journeys by 17:30. BBC's Tom Edwards on Twitter claimng it due to shortage of control room staff but while I was writing this the status has changed to "good service" so maybe some of the staff have returned to work BBC News - No Tube trains to Wembley Central before Euro 2020 final www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-57794837already updated to say a Controller has been found to cover this evening! |
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Post by rincew1nd on Jul 11, 2021 12:43:54 GMT
Presumably they were hiding down the back of the sofa.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jul 11, 2021 13:29:32 GMT
Got a negative test result this morning? Just shows how precarious staffing is when all it needs is one person unavailable to shut down an entire line
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Post by spsmiler on Jul 11, 2021 21:01:58 GMT
yes but what a time - just when far more people than usual will be travelling!
As I understand it Chiltern Railways have also got a reduced service today, although this is affecting people from destinations on the route to Birmingham Snow Hill - and not from London.
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Post by MoreToJack on Jul 11, 2021 22:14:37 GMT
yes but what a time - just when far more people than usual will be travelling! As I understand it Chiltern Railways have also got a reduced service today, although this is affecting people from destinations on the route to Birmingham Snow Hill - and not from London. Chiltern services are deliberately reduced north of Banbury and via Amersham to allow for additional trains and stock to serve Wembley. |
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Post by spsmiler on Jul 11, 2021 22:24:59 GMT
yes but what a time - just when far more people than usual will be travelling! As I understand it Chiltern Railways have also got a reduced service today, although this is affecting people from destinations on the route to Birmingham Snow Hill - and not from London. Chiltern services are deliberately reduced north of Banbury and via Amersham to allow for additional trains and stock to serve Wembley. Thanks Jack, the information I saw only talked about stations that would not be served, with warnings to passengers wanting to go to the football that they will not be able to get home ... instead they should drive to a different station. There was nothing about enhanced services to other stations. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jul 13, 2021 20:49:48 GMT
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Post by cudsn15 on Jul 13, 2021 21:11:56 GMT
In the 2 months or so since I went back to work and used the underground every day I have seen zero enforcement for mask wearing (or indeed fare evasion (nearly every journey I see people force their way through the buggy barriers) and every other intransigence that occurs on the system). Just saying that it will be "compulsory" will not make it so without enforcement - so it's just lip service to make a headline but does nothing to actually resolve the issue. Empty words, empty promises.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jul 14, 2021 4:50:17 GMT
In the 2 months or so since I went back to work and used the underground every day I have seen zero enforcement for mask wearing (or indeed fare evasion (nearly every journey I see people force their way through the buggy barriers) and every other intransigence that occurs on the system). Just saying that it will be "compulsory" will not make it so without enforcement - so it's just lip service to make a headline but does nothing to actually resolve the issue. Empty words, empty promises. TfL increased the number of enforcement officers from 400 to 500 in December 2020 but they have to cover the Tube, buses, DLR, Croydon trams, London Overground and TfL Rail. In addition BTP B Division has around 1500 officers to cover Southern England, Greater London and East Anglia That's not a lot of people to cover a rather large public transport network but obviously TfL isn't in a financial position to increase the numbers |
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Post by brigham on Jul 14, 2021 7:31:19 GMT
The fare-dodging is worrying. Not so much the mask-wearing, as it's only 'compulsory' if you don't opt-out.
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Post by toby on Jul 14, 2021 8:47:18 GMT
In the 2 months or so since I went back to work and used the underground every day I have seen zero enforcement for mask wearing (or indeed fare evasion (nearly every journey I see people force their way through the buggy barriers) and every other intransigence that occurs on the system). Just saying that it will be "compulsory" will not make it so without enforcement - so it's just lip service to make a headline but does nothing to actually resolve the issue. Empty words, empty promises. The emails and station notice boards have reports of the fines and refusals. I don't know how many journeys you'd need to take to have seen one in progress, I haven't. |
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Post by Chris L on Jul 14, 2021 11:35:38 GMT
In the 2 months or so since I went back to work and used the underground every day I have seen zero enforcement for mask wearing (or indeed fare evasion (nearly every journey I see people force their way through the buggy barriers) and every other intransigence that occurs on the system). Just saying that it will be "compulsory" will not make it so without enforcement - so it's just lip service to make a headline but does nothing to actually resolve the issue. Empty words, empty promises. The emails and station notice boards have reports of the fines and refusals. I don't know how many journeys you'd need to take to have seen one in progress, I haven't. The posters seem to quote figures from a long time ago. I've seen Police on busy stations like Stratford doing nothing about anyone not wearing a mask. Woolwich Arsenal DLR station is so under staffed that the barriers are unmanned and gates are left open at all times. It would be interesting to see borough by borough figures for interventions. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jul 14, 2021 13:23:50 GMT
The emails and station notice boards have reports of the fines and refusals. I don't know how many journeys you'd need to take to have seen one in progress, I haven't. The posters seem to quote figures from a long time ago. I've seen Police on busy stations like Stratford doing nothing about anyone not wearing a mask. Woolwich Arsenal DLR station is so under staffed that the barriers are unmanned and gates are left open at all times. It would be interesting to see borough by borough figures for interventions. Woolwich Arsenal is a Section 12 so rather than short staffed they've probably left the gates open so staff can socially distance from passengers. Also its managed by Southeastern with - I believe - DLR staff only at platform level |
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Post by Chris L on Jul 14, 2021 14:54:27 GMT
The posters seem to quote figures from a long time ago. I've seen Police on busy stations like Stratford doing nothing about anyone not wearing a mask. Woolwich Arsenal DLR station is so under staffed that the barriers are unmanned and gates are left open at all times. It would be interesting to see borough by borough figures for interventions. Woolwich Arsenal is a Section 12 so rather than short staffed they've probably left the gates open so staff can socially distance from passengers. Also its managed by Southeastern with - I believe - DLR staff only at platform level The DLR station is separate to the Southeastern station. It has its own control room which is staffed. I'm willing to say that when social distancing ends there will be no staff on the gate line. It has been subject to staff shortages for a very long time. This is acknowledged by TfL and COVID-19 been blamed for the inability to recruit and train staff. A one way system has been implemented with exit via the Woolwich New Road gates and entry via the so called Town Centre gates. On numerous occasions you are directed by posters/signing to the entrance that is closed. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jul 14, 2021 15:33:45 GMT
I've not used Woolwich Arsenal for a few years but I seem to remember that you can transfer from the Southeastern platforms to the DLR platforms without having to go through ticket gates which would make it a single station rather than two separate stations under the fire regulations.
Even if the DLR and the Southeastern stations are separate the DLR would still be a Section 12 and would still have a minimum staffing level (at a guess two staff at all times)
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Post by MoreToJack on Jul 14, 2021 17:12:50 GMT
I won't give specific details on where, but I've seen more revenue blocks across the network in the last fortnight than I have in the last six years - a combination of RPO/RPIs and BTP. Face coverings were being enforced also.
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Post by Chris L on Jul 14, 2021 19:16:43 GMT
I've not used Woolwich Arsenal for a few years but I seem to remember that you can transfer from the Southeastern platforms to the DLR platforms without having to go through ticket gates which would make it a single station rather than two separate stations under the fire regulations. Even if the DLR and the Southeastern stations are separate the DLR would still be a Section 12 and would still have a minimum staffing level (at a guess two staff at all times) There are 2 "DLR" staff but they sit in the control room. You can interchange without passing through any gates but Southeastern staff have nothing to do with the DLR element. Indeed for much of the last year the interchange was closed with bostwick gates. The town centre gates are a considerable distance from the Southeastern station. Staff from the control room would have to descend to to the platform and up the escalators to get to them. |
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Post by hobbayne on Jul 18, 2021 17:42:58 GMT
Apparently tfl are in talks with the government to disregard track and trace apps pinging causing a high number of staff to start isolating.
There are concerns that the underground could grind to a halt as staff self isolate.
Daily corona testing would be done on staff who ping.
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Post by Colin on Jul 18, 2021 20:05:12 GMT
It was suggested by the Prime Minister this morning that TfL are part of such a trial.
Unions were quick to inform their members today that this is not the case. According to my union at least (ASLEF) TfL have not been invited to take part in any such trial and it has most certainly not been discussed or agreed via the negotiation machinery.
We have only been asked to turn the app off in a covid safe environment such as a messroom where social distancing remains in place.
Personally speaking, I'm not interested in all this removal of social distancing, face masks becoming optional and ignoring covid app notifications stuff. I have no wish to catch Coronavirus and I want to be made aware if I've been in close proximity to somebody that has tested positive. If that means I have to self isolate and my train gets cancelled as a result, so be it. My health is far more important than Government policy clearly designed to go down the herd immunity route.
I'd best leave it there as this forum doesn't do politics.
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Post by sawb on Jul 18, 2021 20:07:01 GMT
Hopefully this issue will finally force the government to instruct the app creators to rush out a repair patch, similar to how the likes of Amazon, Google, Microsoft etc do when they detect a major issue. In my opinion, it only hinders the covid fight having a faulty app and plays into the hands of covid conspiracy theorists and others.
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Post by Tom on Jul 18, 2021 21:11:54 GMT
Hopefully this issue will finally force the government to instruct the app creators to rush out a repair patch, similar to how the likes of Amazon, Google, Microsoft etc do when they detect a major issue. In my opinion, it only hinders the covid fight having a faulty app and plays into the hands of covid conspiracy theorists and others. The app isn't faulty. It tells you that you should self isolate, which whilst not legally mandated (it's only compulsory if NHS Test and Trace notify you directly), it is a valid approach after a potential exposure. The fact that so many people are being notified is a consequence of rising case numbers at the same time as restrictions are being reduced. It's not like this was unexpected - it's been widely predicted. Now, back to the subject, please. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jul 19, 2021 4:28:06 GMT
Happy Freedom Day, everyone!!! (obviously that doesn't include all those who are self-isolating) www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-57878908Indeed there was no record of this particular "pilot scheme" until yesterday morning when it was announced that the Prime Minister and the Chancellor of the Exchequer wouldn't be self isolating despite being in close contact with the Secretary of State for Health. I am not going to hold my breath waiting to be told that I am going to be part of a future TfL "pilot scheme" that will allow me to continue working if I am told to self-isolate. Overly political elements of this post have been removed as per rule 3a. Please keep the discussion to the effects of Covid-19 on London's Transport.
The subsequent arguing with a Moderator's green ink has also been removed. If a member has a beef with a Moderator's decision or edit they should take it up with them via PM. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jul 20, 2021 8:51:03 GMT
A friend was on the Victoria Line during the peaks yesterday, she noticed that those wearing masks sat with others wearing masks at one end of the car while the unmasked sat together at the other.
It would appear people are self-segregating
We once had smoking and non-smoking cars, maybe have masking and non-masking cars
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Post by North End on Jul 20, 2021 16:54:43 GMT
It was suggested by the Prime Minister this morning that T fL are part of such a trial. Unions were quick to inform their members today that this is not the case. According to my union at least (ASLEF) T fL have not been invited to take part in any such trial and it has most certainly not been discussed or agreed via the negotiation machinery. We have only been asked to turn the app off in a covid safe environment such as a messroom where social distancing remains in place. Personally speaking, I'm not interested in all this removal of social distancing, face masks becoming optional and ignoring covid app notifications stuff. I have no wish to catch Coronavirus and I want to be made aware if I've been in close proximity to somebody that has tested positive. If that means I have to self isolate and my train gets cancelled as a result, so be it. My health is far more important than Government policy clearly designed to go down the herd immunity route. I'd best leave it there as this forum doesn't do politics. The problem is government policy has never been to stop everyone getting Covid. It’s endemic now, and it’s not going anywhere. All of us are pretty much certain to get it, whether we like it or not, it’s more a case of whether we get it with the protection of a vaccine or take our chances without. There’s perhaps an extra group of people in the “wait and see how the vaccine pans out” camp, which is a perfectly reasonable position IMO. But to go round taking the view “I don’t want to catch it” is completely unrealistic. The measures we’ve seen to date have essentially been to (1) limit the number of active cases to prevent hospitals going over capacity, and (2) shielding those at high risk of having a bad outcome. Every adult ha been offered a vaccine, and the vaccine doesn’t stop you getting it, nor does it stop you passing it on. I don’t like it, but it’s something I think we have to face up to - we’re all going to catch it at some point, and we can’t reasonably expect to avoid that, at least not without ending life as we knew it. Not a nice thing to have to accept, but a fact of life unfortunately. As regards the whole ping thing, one wonders how many people are fulfilling the self-isolate part, as opposed to merely treating it as 10 bonus days off work. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jul 20, 2021 17:09:52 GMT
Just seen this on Twitter
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Post by brigham on Jul 22, 2021 7:59:55 GMT
I'm a long-term Viz reader, but I can't see that one!
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Post by DWS on Jul 22, 2021 8:48:32 GMT
I'm a long-term Viz reader, but I can't see that one! Which one can you not see ? |
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