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Post by A60stock on Feb 11, 2021 11:10:16 GMT
At last a message has been displayed on the PIS on S stock regarding face masks, not on all trains yet but I imagine it soon will be. As of Monday this week only 8 of the Met line fleet were outstanding for the software load. S7 fleet still had the majority to load. The face coverings announcements are in the stored library of announcements for the 'Real Time Information' facility that can be triggered from the control centre. As a clue for passengers, if your train announces the destination before the next station when you are at a station, then it's had the updates and you might experience face coverings or other special announcements from time to time.
The list of completed trains is being updated every few days at the control centre equipment so there can be a lag from train update to RTI messages being available on an individual train. Fear not, RTI messages can be amended or removed instantly from the control centre so they shouldn't linger when not needed!
Surely changing the order of the destination and the next station is a backwards step, especially on the met or district where the next station is more important to know than the final destination? On the met, with some trains being fast, its surely better to know the next station first?
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Post by t697 on Feb 11, 2021 13:02:08 GMT
Forgive this drift off the face covering subject. The sequence of destination then next station has been debated on and off for many years. S stock started with 'next station' then 'destination and on the Met, stopping pattern'. Now this has been reversed to 'destination and on the Met, stopping pattern' then 'next station'.
Originally the sequence was felt to be best for those making a shortish central London trip and had worked out their journey start and finish so might know what the next station should be but probably had no idea where say Upminster or Amersham were!
The drive for this latest change is to reduce disadvantages of the station and train systems for visually impaired passengers. A particularly good example of how this helps is to consider a visually impaired passenger starting a journey from Great Portland Street westbound platform. To avoid the need to change trains at Baker Street and trek over the bridge between platform 6 and the Met main platforms it is convenient to wait for a Hammersmith bound train or any Met line train depending which way your destination lies. For those of us who can read the platform indicators this is easy.
Visually impaired passengers who cannot easily read the platform DMI have another method. When the train arrives, they can stand on the platform adjacent to a doorway and listen to the train's announcement. Now, all they need at this point is 'is this train going on to the Met line or is it going towards Edgware Road and Hammersmith'? The answer to that helps decide whether to board or not. Reversing the sequence as described means there is a better chance of getting to that important nugget of the announcement before the doors are closing. Similarly for Earl's Court WB and some others just before diverging junctions.
Overall a benefit for the group I've described and not much disbenefit for everyone else...?
Back to the face cover messages, all Met line trains now enabled on train and at service control I understand.
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Post by class411 on Feb 11, 2021 13:16:23 GMT
Forgive this drift off the face covering subject. The sequence of destination then next station has been debated on and off for many years. S stock started with 'next station' then 'destination and on the Met, stopping pattern'. Now this has been reversed to 'destination and on the Met, stopping pattern' then 'next station'. Originally the sequence was felt to be best for those making a shortish central London trip and had worked out their journey start and finish so might know what the next station should be but probably had no idea where say Upminster or Amersham were! The drive for this latest change is to reduce disadvantages of the station and train systems for visually impaired passengers. A particularly good example of how this helps is to consider a visually impaired passenger starting a journey from Great Portland Street westbound platform. To avoid the need to change trains at Baker Street and trek over the bridge between platform 6 and the Met main platforms it is convenient to wait for a Hammersmith bound train or any Met line train depending which way your destination lies. For those of us who can read the platform indicators this is easy. Visually impaired passengers who cannot easily read the platform DMI have another method. When the train arrives, they can stand on the platform adjacent to a doorway and listen to the train's announcement. Now, all they need at this point is 'is this train going on to the Met line or is it going towards Edgware Road and Hammersmith'? The answer to that helps decide whether to board or not. Reversing the sequence as described means there is a better chance of getting to that important nugget of the announcement before the doors are closing. Similarly for Earl's Court WB and some others just before diverging junctions. Overall a benefit for the group I've described and not much disbenefit for everyone else...? Back to the face cover messages, all Met line trains now enabled on train and at service control I understand. I've always found the line -> destination -> next station annoying, but now I know why it's in that order that will cease to be the case. The reason I found it annoying was because once you are travelling on a particular train, you know the line and destination - certainly after the first announcement. If you are deeply engrossed in your book, and want to know where you are, having them repeat information you've heard several times already before the information you want seems daft. Now I know why it isn't.
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Post by rincew1nd on Feb 11, 2021 13:56:10 GMT
Examples of the new announcements are in the below tweets:
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Post by t697 on Feb 11, 2021 14:12:06 GMT
Yes, there was an audio editing error on that one and the nose and mouth bit got omitted in error. The LIS can still make up the complete message from the fragments though and the other complete ones do cover nose and mouth...
That clip from Hillingdon shows just how quick some T/Ops are being at stations these days as there are so few passengers about. The doors started closing before the destination had finished even though it's now earlier. You really do have to be ready to hop off at your stop these days.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Feb 13, 2021 19:44:09 GMT
I’ve merged the recent item about face coverings on Met trains with this existing post as it’s best to keep CV stuff to one thread only on a transport forum. Thanks. 👍
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Post by spsmiler on Feb 14, 2021 0:09:28 GMT
Information from a local area discussion forum: From this weekend (Sat 13th Feb 2021) until Friday 19th February Redbridge station will be closed - this is because of staff shortage due to the virus pandemic.
I do not know if this is caused by one / several members of staff having tested positive / planned staff absence or some other reason.
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Post by goldenarrow on Feb 19, 2021 20:00:17 GMT
Just had an email informing that the Circle and Metropolitan lines will be suspended in their entirety and the District line have no service High St Ken to Edgware Road on Sunday 21 February due to staff shortages. Several lines have been grappling with heavy rates of cancellations for some time but it looks like it really is starting to bite now in common with most of the UK transport industry.
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Post by tfn on Feb 19, 2021 21:28:51 GMT
This means that all stations from Hammersmith to Aldgate (except interchange stations like Paddington and Baker Street) will all be closed, considering the H&C closure was planned.
I always wondered, when the District is shut between Tower Hill and West Ham or East Ham why they suspend the whole H&C when you can also terminate it at Moorgate from Hammersmith?
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Post by goldenarrow on Feb 19, 2021 22:06:06 GMT
I always wondered, when the District is shut between Tower Hill and West Ham or East Ham why they suspend the whole H&C when you can also terminate it at Moorgate from Hammersmith? No point in running an additional service pattern when the Circle line covers all stations concerned in the scenario you describe. This has the added benefit of keeping Moorgate available for service recovery as opposed to having space taken up by duplicated services.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 21, 2021 9:06:28 GMT
Just had an email informing that the Circle and Metropolitan lines will be suspended in their entirety and the District line have no service High St Ken to Edgware Road on Sunday 21 February due to staff shortages. District Wimbledon-Edgware Rd resumed 1030 (but suspended again 1200-1330 and 1615-1715) District Olympia-High Street suspended to provide platform for Wimbledon-High Street service Piccadilly also suspended South Harrow-Uxbridge (resumed 0905 but suspended again 1200-1315 and 1615-1725) Early Chiltern services via Harrow suspended
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Post by goldenarrow on Feb 26, 2021 16:27:02 GMT
Further staff shortages at Hammersmith SCC this weekend necessitating the winding down of the Circle, Hammersmith & City and Metropolitan line service from 18:30 and full suspension of the service from 21:00 as well as no District line between High St Ken and Edgware Road from 20:15. Start of traffic on Sunday across the combine will also be 45 mins later than billed. Also no Chiltern service via Amersham after 20:00 on both days either.
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Post by superteacher on Feb 27, 2021 13:19:27 GMT
Further staff shortages at Hammersmith SCC this weekend necessitating the winding down of the Circle, Hammersmith & City and Metropolitan line service from 18:30 and full suspension of the service from 21:00 as well as no District line between High St Ken and Edgware Road from 20:15. Start of traffic on Sunday across the combine will also be 45 mins later than billed. Also no Chiltern service via Amersham after 20:00 on both days either. I appreciate that traffic levels are down, but why is this not being announced by TFL?
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Post by johnlinford on Feb 27, 2021 15:45:25 GMT
I got an email from TfL about it yesterday afternoon.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 28, 2021 11:37:38 GMT
Further staff shortages at Hammersmith SCC this weekend necessitating the winding down of the Circle, Hammersmith & City and Metropolitan line service from 18:30 and full suspension of the service from 21:00 as well as no District line between High St Ken and Edgware Road from 20:15. Start of traffic on Sunday across the combine will also be 45 mins later than billed. Also no Chiltern service via Amersham after 20:00 on both days either. Unfortunately, the MET wound down from 1830, suspending from Uxbridge first, then Amersham from 1900, with the whole Line finished by 1930.
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Post by spsmiler on Mar 2, 2021 11:55:00 GMT
In a message in the SSR Resignalling thread a reference is made to the lifting of lockdown on Monday 8th March so that we can travel on the trains again, even for 'non-essential' journeys.
I knew that some schools were opening on that day, but not about the relaxation of travel restrictions. Is this really so? (I've quite literally 'lost track' of the forthcoming changes and when this was going to happen!)
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Post by ianr on Mar 2, 2021 20:11:08 GMT
Travel restrictions only get downgraded from 29 March - Minimise travel . not 8th March - Still Stay at Home.
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Post by sawb on Mar 2, 2021 20:18:26 GMT
Yes, even then restrictions only properly start getting down graded from 12th April at the earliest.
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Post by spsmiler on Mar 2, 2021 22:12:40 GMT
Thanks for the replies.
Simon
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Post by Chris M on Mar 8, 2021 16:45:34 GMT
The answer is probably in this thread somewhere, but what was the last day the night tube ran?
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Post by A60stock on Mar 8, 2021 17:12:38 GMT
It looks like there will be huge incentives for people to engage in the night life scene post June/July. I would wonder if the night tube will return due to demand. Yes I know there are technical and cost implications as to why many would rather it doesn't, but I do feel that in 2022, this argument may be overridden by demand?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 8, 2021 17:35:48 GMT
The answer is probably in this thread somewhere, but what was the last day the night tube ran? Services last operated on morning of Sunday 15 March 2020
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Post by North End on Mar 8, 2021 17:48:48 GMT
It looks like there will be huge incentives for people to engage in the night life scene post June/July. I would wonder if the night tube will return due to demand. Yes I know there are technical and cost implications as to why many would rather it doesn't, but I do feel that in 2022, this argument may be overridden by demand? I suspect it will come down to resource availability, and in particular whether it’s deemed for the best allocation of those resources to be directed towards Night Tube as opposed to other times of day. Especially training resources - there’s a massive training backlog, and it simply doesn’t stack up to use your training resources on people who require the same amount of training as anyone else, but are only 40% productive.
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Post by spsmiler on Mar 8, 2021 20:23:12 GMT
I suspect it will come down to resource availability, and in particular whether it’s deemed for the best allocation of those resources to be directed towards Night Tube as opposed to other times of day. Especially training resources - there’s a massive training backlog, and it simply doesn’t stack up to use your training resources on people who require the same amount of training as anyone else, but are only 40% productive. I suspect that in addition to financial etc., resources being available it will also partly depend on whether the Mayor of London (whoever that is when the decision needs taking) wants Night Tube to be reinstated.
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Post by brigham on Mar 9, 2021 8:42:54 GMT
It might be better to extend Underground services to include some late-night/early morning trains, rather than pretend that a wholly-new system of transport called 'Night Tube', with its own dedicated staff and rolling stock, is necessary.
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Post by Colin on Mar 9, 2021 13:49:21 GMT
I suspect that in addition to financial etc., resources being available it will also partly depend on whether the Mayor of London (whoever that is when the decision needs taking) wants Night Tube to be reinstated. There is a huge backlog of training - almost a years worth as we only managed a small window of training late in 2020. So the Mayor can make all the decisions they like regarding bringing night tube back but the fact remains that due to staff movements over the past year there wouldn't be enough night tube staff to restart the service particularly quickly, and the training of new drivers (which takes around 16 weeks by the way) will initially be prioritised to day time services where we get a full weeks worth of train driving moving a larger number of customers per train. It might be better to extend Underground services to include some late-night/early morning trains, rather than pretend that a wholly-new system of transport called 'Night Tube', with its own dedicated staff and rolling stock, is necessary. That would require a change to the framework agreements and I can't see that happening. Currently earliest book on's are 0445 (with local agreements for a few minutes earlier at some locations) and latest finish is 0130. Frankly, I'd rather not be starting earlier than 0445 or finishing later than 0130 thankyou very much!
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Post by Chris M on Mar 9, 2021 14:05:31 GMT
You could employ a separate group of staff to run the overnight services but not bother with any separate branding - it doesn't matter to the public what shift the driver of their train or the person on the platform is working. This would not have a significant (or possibly even any) impact on the logistics of running the service though.
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Post by Colin on Mar 9, 2021 14:27:35 GMT
The fact remains that training people for a two nights a week service is a lower priority than training people to repopulate and maintain our main 7 days a week service.
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Post by brigham on Mar 10, 2021 8:39:14 GMT
Where three shifts are operated in 'normal' industry, the night shift is NOT operated by specific night-shift teams. Instead, people arrange their shifts to suit their own requirements, and the work available. The idea of special 'night shift' staff, unqualified to take a normal shift, is as ludicrous as it is inflexible.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 10, 2021 8:48:39 GMT
The idea of special 'night shift' staff, unqualified to take a normal shift, is as ludicrous as it is inflexible. The additional night shift staff on different contracts deals with where the extra services, Night Tube were operating. The requirement for these staff to work trains at other hours wasn’t deemed necessary and would be over establishment at these times.
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