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Post by quex on Jan 14, 2021 18:43:46 GMT
There was an article in the BBC London News just now about overcrowding at Canning Town earlier today. It seems it was due to two short-notice cancellations to services, again due to staff shortages.
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Post by spsmiler on Jan 14, 2021 20:58:55 GMT
Yes, I saw that.
I do not know if staff sickness and 'home shielding' numbers as similar to the fist lockdown but I recall similar issues at Canning Town when the virus situation first began.
Recently, the BBC radio news talked mainline railways service frequencies being reduced by about a third so as to reduce losses from fewer passengers. I wonder if similar will be done in London - especially off-peak?
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Post by Colin on Jan 17, 2021 20:06:08 GMT
The problem with the Jubilee line is the feeds into it, firstly from National Rail and the Central line at Stratford....then more National Rail plus the District line at West Ham....then the DLR at Canning Town. It’s no wonder it’s under strain!!
Anyway, update to my previous post - in cab training is to remain paused until at least the end of February. Trainees that were coming to us on the District are once again being returned to whence they came from.
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Post by spsmiler on Jan 18, 2021 22:23:52 GMT
I've seen complaints on Twitter about another instance of overcrowding - this time caused by timetables being altered / trains intentionally taken out of service because of fewer passengers travelling, with the complainant referring to a 17 minute gap shortly after 7am from East Croydon.
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Post by johnlinford on Jan 18, 2021 23:06:44 GMT
This article suggests that building sites are facing shutdown if the use of the London transport network doesn't decrease...
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Jan 20, 2021 10:35:26 GMT
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Post by Chris M on Jan 20, 2021 11:45:57 GMT
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Post by philthetube on Jan 20, 2021 12:15:39 GMT
Also been on BBC London news all morning.
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Post by brigham on Jan 21, 2021 8:54:48 GMT
This article suggests that building sites are facing shutdown if the use of the London transport network doesn't decrease... London has become so dependent on its amazingly-comprehensive passenger transport facilities, that no-one dare close them, even in a national emergency. During the house-building boom of the '60s and '70s, contractors in NE England bought withdrawn buses to bring their building workers to and from work. At least one preserved single-decker survived as a result of this, and every time I see it in a period TV drama, I always remember it in bright orange, with 'Moore and Cartwright' emblazoned thereon.
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Post by superteacher on Jan 26, 2021 11:58:49 GMT
This article suggests that building sites are facing shutdown if the use of the London transport network doesn't decrease... Surely a catch-22? Usage is higher in part BECAUSE the building sites are open . . .
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Post by class411 on Jan 26, 2021 12:34:41 GMT
This article suggests that building sites are facing shutdown if the use of the London transport network doesn't decrease... Surely a catch-22? Usage is higher in part BECAUSE the building sites are open . . . Isn't that the point, though. They are saying that the usage is too high because of building workers using the system, so they are threatening to shut down sites. If the builders were sensible, they would stagger their hours. It wouldn't change the overall usage, but it could lessen overcrowding.
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Post by philthetube on Jan 26, 2021 14:06:20 GMT
Agreed but not always practical at this time of year because of daylight hours.
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Post by sawb on Jan 26, 2021 14:33:58 GMT
Surely a catch-22? Usage is higher in part BECAUSE the building sites are open . . . Isn't that the point, though. They are saying that the usage is too high because of building workers using the system, so they are threatening to shut down sites. If the builders were sensible, they would stagger their hours. It wouldn't change the overall usage, but it could lessen overcrowding. There is also the matter that building sites are only allowed to work between 8am & 6pm, Monday to Friday, and 8am & 1pm on Saturdays
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Post by class411 on Jan 26, 2021 15:11:42 GMT
Isn't that the point, though. They are saying that the usage is too high because of building workers using the system, so they are threatening to shut down sites. If the builders were sensible, they would stagger their hours. It wouldn't change the overall usage, but it could lessen overcrowding. There is also the matter that building sites are only allowed to work between 8am & 6pm, Monday to Friday, and 8am & 1pm on Saturdays Well, given the severity of the situation I don't think they could reasonably complain that loudly if the had to accept a shorter working day in order to stagger hours and help keep everyone a bit safer.
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Post by superteacher on Jan 26, 2021 15:28:38 GMT
There is also the matter that building sites are only allowed to work between 8am & 6pm, Monday to Friday, and 8am & 1pm on Saturdays Well, given the severity of the situation I don't think they could reasonably complain that loudly if the had to accept a shorter working day in order to stagger hours and help keep everyone a bit safer. That would require some form of central control, with somebody taking the lead. Considering previous form during the pandemic, I wouldn't hold your breath!
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Post by Chris M on Jan 26, 2021 15:31:32 GMT
The problem with changing (including shortening) working hours for building sites is that it will seriously complicate logistics. It's not necessarily going to be impossible to reschedule things, but it's not even remotely as simple as staggering the working hours in an office. Given the state of employment in the sector, I would also expect that if sites when to half days most workers would just work on one site in the morning and a different site in the afternoon, which would not impact the numbers of timing of people travelling (other than maybe adding a peak in the middle of the day)
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Post by brigham on Jan 26, 2021 17:25:36 GMT
The problem is reliance on public transport. Here in the N-East, where in comparison with London, it effectively doesn't exist, you either get yourself to work, or you make yourself unemployable.
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Post by goldenarrow on Jan 27, 2021 1:01:50 GMT
The problem is reliance on public transport. Here in the N-East, where in comparison with London, it effectively doesn't exist, you either get yourself to work, or you make yourself unemployable. The usability of London's multi-modal transport network is not the issue here. The issue is the willingness of employers to be flexible in working arrangements for their employees. If there's anything that this global pandemic has shown, it has proved that the only obstacle to the wide scale adoption of flexible working arrangements (however radical or not that may be) is the mindset of employers.
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Post by 35b on Jan 27, 2021 6:38:16 GMT
The problem is reliance on public transport. Here in the N-East, where in comparison with London, it effectively doesn't exist, you either get yourself to work, or you make yourself unemployable. The usability of London's multi-modal transport network is not the issue here. The issue is the willingness of employers to be flexible in working arrangements for their employees. If there's anything that this global pandemic has shown, it has proved that the only obstacle to the wide scale adoption of flexible working arrangements (however radical or not that may be) is the mindset of employers. In many cases, yes, but for the building trades I suggest that restrictions on working hours and the need for team working are also significant constraints, even without managing the flow of supplies.
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Post by billbedford on Jan 27, 2021 10:16:53 GMT
There is also the matter that building sites are only allowed to work between 8am & 6pm, Monday to Friday, and 8am & 1pm on Saturdays Well, given the severity of the situation I don't think they could reasonably complain that loudly if the had to accept a shorter working day in order to stagger hours and help keep everyone a bit safer. Cases and hospitalisations are dropping off a cliff in London. Funny how calls for more restrictions and lockdowns have come after things start to get better.
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Post by 35b on Jan 27, 2021 10:55:05 GMT
Well, given the severity of the situation I don't think they could reasonably complain that loudly if the had to accept a shorter working day in order to stagger hours and help keep everyone a bit safer. Cases and hospitalisations are dropping off a cliff in London. Funny how calls for more restrictions and lockdowns have come after things start to get better. A common theme, where reactions are delayed from the underlying causes - before mitigation measures are implemented, and following their impact.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Jan 28, 2021 8:25:17 GMT
The thread's beginning to veer away from 'Coronavirus Implications For London's Transport' into CV19 generalisations again. Back on track please.
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Post by jimbo on Jan 28, 2021 22:45:48 GMT
"Phase one of the vaccination programme aims to reduce mortality rates and support the country’s health and social care systems. The vaccine is being offered first to vulnerable groups, such as older people, and those in the Clinically Extremely Vulnerable group, and frontline health and social care workers. The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation has asked the Department of Health and Social Care to consider occupational prioritisation in the next phase of vaccination, for those whose job puts them at increased risk of exposure to the virus – this would include transport workers." [TfL Commissioner’s report for 3 February 2021 Board meeting]
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Post by brigham on Jan 29, 2021 8:44:55 GMT
Do we have time for 'Birkenhead Drill'? Get the vaccine out...
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Post by philthetube on Feb 11, 2021 7:03:01 GMT
At last a message has been displayed on the PIS on S stock regarding face masks, not on all trains yet but I imagine it soon will be.
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Post by t697 on Feb 11, 2021 8:02:39 GMT
At last a message has been displayed on the PIS on S stock regarding face masks, not on all trains yet but I imagine it soon will be. As of Monday this week only 8 of the Met line fleet were outstanding for the software load. S7 fleet still had the majority to load. The face coverings announcements are in the stored library of announcements for the 'Real Time Information' facility that can be triggered from the control centre. As a clue for passengers, if your train announces the destination before the next station when you are at a station, then it's had the updates and you might experience face coverings or other special announcements from time to time.
The list of completed trains is being updated every few days at the control centre equipment so there can be a lag from train update to RTI messages being available on an individual train.
Fear not, RTI messages can be amended or removed instantly from the control centre so they shouldn't linger when not needed!
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Post by brigham on Feb 11, 2021 8:30:31 GMT
What's the wording of the face mask announcement? Is it a simple 'please wear a face covering', or does it go into greater detail?
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Post by toby on Feb 11, 2021 8:35:03 GMT
What's the wording of the face mask announcement? Is it a simple 'please wear a face covering', or does it go into greater detail? Something to the effect of "... or medical exemption or fines"?
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Post by t697 on Feb 11, 2021 8:35:48 GMT
There are four 'pre-made' announcements and 15 phrases to build up others from. So service control can ring the changes a little. A typical one is; "Please wear a face covering over your nose and mouth at all times when travelling on our services unless you are exempt. This is to keep us all safe."
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Post by t697 on Feb 11, 2021 8:38:43 GMT
What's the wording of the face mask announcement? Is it a simple 'please wear a face covering', or does it go into greater detail? Something to the effect of "... or medical exemption or fines"? The threat of a fine is available in the library of phrases. Probably not appropriate to quote it precisely here.
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