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Post by class411 on Sept 14, 2020 7:42:56 GMT
What we need is someone like Scotty on LU. He always starts with 'It can't be done, Jim', then promptly does it! "Y'cannae break the laws o' physics." Not that you're likely to need to creating shift patterns. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 14, 2020 10:52:41 GMT
I didn't say it would be impossible, I said it would need a new timetable and rosters.
M-F 718, 719, 720, 721 and 726 (spare) all book on at Leytonstone between 16:46 and 17:23 and finish at 01:15 (taxi back to Leytonstone). By the time they've travelled to Waterloo (718 picks up a train at Bank) the evening peak will have started.
Similarly there's little point 701, 702, 703, 704 and 722 (spare) booking on at 04:45 (taxi to Waterloo) if they don't have to bring trains into service until 07:00 and they wouldn't be much use as spares on the Central before or after.
If the W&C line is short staffed the Train Manager at Leytonstone can send a "Central Line" spare to cover but while I don't recall anyone ever working on the W&C and the "Main" in the same duty I don't see why it couldn't be done. Worth remembering that along with travelling time between Waterloo and Leytonstone the duty has to have a meal break no more than 5 hours 15 minutes after booking on.
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Post by John Tuthill on Sept 14, 2020 11:09:13 GMT
What we need is someone like Scotty on LU. He always starts with 'It can't be done, Jim', then promptly does it! Did he ever call him 'Jim?' I always thought it was "Canna be done Capan Kirk, the warp drives..........." |
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Post by stapler on Sept 14, 2020 12:03:38 GMT
There are reports in the Essex press that "measures" are to be imposed on Redbridge LB owing to a very high new cases rate. If they are, will there be a TFL response, including an element of non-stopping at LO/Central Line stations in that borough? Thats very alarming, as its where I live. As for the idea of all trains running non-stop through this borough, well I suppose its possible... but the meme has become more of curbing social events than people going to work or school. Therefore the trains will be needed! If there is a full blown local lockdown then the Central line would be hit very hard - Hainault depot is in Redbridge! I think that for me the best thing to do is avoid local areas where people congregate - such as the town centre. SPS -- you might care to look at www.essexlive.news/news/essex-news/essex-coronavirus-redbridge-local-lockdown-4510218 but it's a serious point re this thread - should TfL avoid adding fuel to the flames by selectively making it more difficult to enter/leave? There must be a strategic plan somewhere. Yes, I should avoid Ilford town centre and south Ilford generally. Roding Valley and Grange Hill are probably OK, especially if you keepto the Essex side! |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 14, 2020 12:52:48 GMT
I just looked at the essexlive.news link, it says "Opps. Sorry. We can't find the page you requested" although a Google of "coronavirus redbridge local lockdown" throws up plenty of reports from last week. First off we didn't suspend any Central Line services during lockdown so don't see why we should in this case as key workers still have to get to work. If you did close stations in LB of Redbridge then we'd have to suspend Leytonstone to Newbury Park as you can't "non-stop" more than two consecutive Section 12s. Would buses on routes going through Redbridge have to be diverted around the borough? Meanwhile in New Zealand they've removed restrictions of how many passengers are allowed on buses and trains. Wellington’s transport operator Metlink said that face coverings have been an effective way to limit the risk of COVID-19 spreading and that capacity could return to normal. It also seems that passengers are required to scan QR codes when getting on board public transport to enable track-and-trace. www.railexpress.com.au/masks-full-capacity-auckland-wellington-trains/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter |
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Post by sawb on Sept 14, 2020 13:53:59 GMT
Thats very alarming, as its where I live. As for the idea of all trains running non-stop through this borough, well I suppose its possible... but the meme has become more of curbing social events than people going to work or school. Therefore the trains will be needed! If there is a full blown local lockdown then the Central line would be hit very hard - Hainault depot is in Redbridge! I think that for me the best thing to do is avoid local areas where people congregate - such as the town centre. SPS -- you might care to look at www.essexlive.news/news/essex-news/essex-coronavirus-redbridge-local-lockdown-4510218 but it's a serious point re this thread - should TfL avoid adding fuel to the flames by selectively making it more difficult to enter/leave? There must be a strategic plan somewhere. Yes, I should avoid Ilford town centre and south Ilford generally. Roding Valley and Grange Hill are probably OK, especially if you keepto the Essex side! Essex Live should not in any way be taken as a serious or reputable source of news, nor should any of its sister regional/local publications. |
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Post by spsmiler on Sept 14, 2020 19:35:12 GMT
stapler Yes I saw that, I've taken note but am not changing my plans for this week - which include three days when I'm going to be underground for part of the day! aslefshrugged Interesting news about ending capacity contraints, not that it matters much on our trains as even with the disruption I encountered on both Thameslink and The Jubilee line today, the trains were nowhere even nearly crowded. The Thameslink had available seats whilst the Jubilee had all seats taken with some standing passengers - but still nothing like the sardine tin crush that would normally have been expected for after 5pm / 17:00.
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Post by spsmiler on Sept 14, 2020 20:34:13 GMT
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 15, 2020 7:53:23 GMT
Another obvious problem with reopening the W&C and having split W&C/Central duties is that there would be fewer drivers on the Central Line during the peaks but more during the off peak when they aren't needed. Friday and Saturday evening off peak were noticeably busier than last month but last night there was hardly anyone about after 7pm.
Yesterday there were two drivers in the mess room discussing their up coming retirements, both before the end of the year. This could get a bit tricky...
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Post by Dstock7080 on Sept 16, 2020 11:56:37 GMT
The remaining 30% of LU stations not already done so, will go cashless from Monday 21 September.
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Post by Chris L on Sept 16, 2020 12:10:26 GMT
The change in the service patterns on the DLR means that both platforms at Stratford International are in all day use now.
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Post by Chris M on Sept 16, 2020 12:35:34 GMT
The remaining 30% of LU stations not already done so, will go cashless from Monday 21 September. Based on how much gnashing of teeth there was locally about Canary Wharf going cashless (which has two cash-taking DLR stations and at least 3 ticket shops in walking distance and an extremely low proportion of cash-reliant customers) that's not going to go down well. |
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Post by stapler on Sept 16, 2020 12:41:15 GMT
<<Essex Live should not in any way be taken as a serious or reputable source of news, nor should any of its sister regional/local publications>>
Long experience has taught me not to believe all you read in the press. Actually, I think Essex Live is a bit more reliable than most, except for their scare stories about floods and heatwaves. But the same message is given on the Redbridge LBC website...
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 16, 2020 17:44:00 GMT
<<Essex Live should not in any way be taken as a serious or reputable source of news, nor should any of its sister regional/local publications>> Long experience has taught me not to believe all you read in the press. Actually, I think Essex Live is a bit more reliable than most, except for their scare stories about floods and heatwaves. But the same message is given on the Redbridge LBC website... Are you serious? Essex Live is part of the Reach PLC created when the Daily Mirror, Daily Express, Daily Star and a whole host of local papers merged in 2018. It might have been better ten years ago when it was the Essex Chronicle with actual local journalists but now its worse than the Evening Standard, basically a bunch of unpaid interns using Google, Twitter and Instagram to collect stories. London Live is equally as fatuous and no doubt the same applies to Surrey Live, Kent Live, Berkshire Live (I've no idea if those are even real but...) |
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Post by spsmiler on Sept 16, 2020 19:06:25 GMT
Its a right pain that stations are going cashless - but thankfully small shops which also handle Oystercards still accept cash. Not being large governmental bodies and instead relying on people who enter the shop for their livelihoods these still value 'real money'.
I was almost cought out today when I went to the Bens Cookies shop opposite Shepherds Bush Overground station because they had gone 'cash only'. Apparently their card reader had failed. Thankfully I had some cash!
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Post by Chris M on Sept 17, 2020 12:59:16 GMT
Yes I was caught out the other day buying milk. My local corner shop (which is not actually on a corner) only accepts card payments for transactions greater then £5/. While I had several coins in my wallet they totalled 11p!
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Post by johnlinford on Sept 17, 2020 18:42:11 GMT
One of the big changes for me (except my career being put on hold as the events industry collapses) has been not having an annual travelcard - so I now use Apple Pay for pretty much everything and have fallen out of the habit of carrying a wallet at all!
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 18, 2020 11:35:59 GMT
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Post by sawb on Sept 18, 2020 13:13:55 GMT
Surely he'd need support from Haringay, Westminster and Camden Councils first, given they are the boroughs playing host to the biggest NYE events normally? Would they and the Met be prepared to force restaurants and other venues to cancel? How could they do that without causing friction in the community in somewhere like Wood Green? I would be surprised if there are any events in London before Easter 2021, although obviously the relevant deadlines have yet to come along. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 18, 2020 13:51:02 GMT
If the object is to discourage people from heading into central London and creating large crowds then withdrawing transport services might be the best way to encourage people to keep celebrations "local".
Please correct me if I'm wrong but I seem to remember that 24 hour services at New Year only started with the Millennium, I don't remember it happening before I joined in December 1997 and I certainly don't remember being asked to work NYE in 1998/1999 when I was at Paddington. I also seem to remember at least once after 1999/2000 it didn't happen (or wasn't going to happen) because they couldn't find a sponsor.
My memory isn't what it used to be...
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Post by revupminster on Sept 18, 2020 15:19:17 GMT
They did not have fire works but people used to meet up in Trafalgar Square. The trains ran an hour later than normal. The fireworks came in to encourage them away from Trafalgar Square and spread out along the Embankment. I think Charing Cross was exit only as well.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 19:29:41 GMT
If the object is to discourage people from heading into central London and creating large crowds then withdrawing transport services might be the best way to encourage people to keep celebrations "local". Please correct me if I'm wrong but I seem to remember that 24 hour services at New Year only started with the Millennium, I don't remember it happening before I joined in December 1997 and I certainly don't remember being asked to work NYE in 1998/1999 when I was at Paddington. I also seem to remember at least once after 1999/2000 it didn't happen (or wasn't going to happen) because they couldn't find a sponsor. My memory isn't what it used to be... Think that is when Fosters decided to stop there partnership |
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Post by Tom on Sept 18, 2020 22:44:14 GMT
I'm fairly sure that the all-night service on New Year's Eve only started in the mid-2000s; it was initially only intended to be a one-off for 1999.
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Post by spsmiler on Sept 18, 2020 23:02:47 GMT
I might soon have to stop travelling anywhere by public transport (for a while) - I was speaking with one of my brothers today and he was saying that as virus numbers are rising and an increasing number of places have new lockdowns I should cancel all future travel plans!
Its ironic because I live in the London Borough that has the highest number of cases, albeit not near the part of the borough where the situation is most severe. So he cannot complain if I go elsewhere in London!
The issue here is the virus - not how I travel. I say this because he also said that I should not even visit my local Town Centre, even though I always walk there - though a local park and quiet residential roads where social distancing is very easy!
But, what might be especially relevant to transport (in London and elsewhere) is that other people might have the same ideas.
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Post by stapler on Sept 19, 2020 12:44:53 GMT
Redbridge is certainly a hotspot, SPS. Just don't jump on a 20 or 167 - or especially a 397 for a few weeks, please!
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Post by spsmiler on Sept 20, 2020 21:38:06 GMT
Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that the use of personalised Oystercards is sufficient for a person to be 'contact traced' if there is an outbreak in a certain area which is severe enough for there to be a desire that everyone who used a specific station in that area to be contacted and told to self isolate
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Post by rincew1nd on Sept 20, 2020 21:46:09 GMT
I suspect Data Protection regulations prevent that.
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Post by 35b on Sept 21, 2020 7:14:42 GMT
I suspect Data Protection regulations prevent that. As much as anything else, I suspect that on current traffic levels, the need for such travellers to be contacted in that way would be vanishingly unlikely. |
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Post by spsmiler on Sept 21, 2020 16:38:02 GMT
Maybe I'm late to the party in noticing this, but have the social distancing signs on trains been changed to now say 'maintain social distancing' instead of 'maintain a 2 metre distance where possible'?
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Post by Chris L on Sept 21, 2020 16:53:11 GMT
Maybe I'm late to the party in noticing this, but have the social distancing signs on trains been changed to now say 'maintain social distancing' instead of 'maintain a 2 metre distance where possible'? done months ago with a strip of plain blue vinyl. |
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