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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 10, 2020 6:12:39 GMT
This is similar to the proposals during lockdown that station staff should somehow limit entrance to key workers only, it simply demonstrates an ignorance of how the Tube (or other railways) actually operate.
There's a lot of it about...
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Post by brigham on Sept 10, 2020 7:54:41 GMT
Who will bell the cat?
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 10, 2020 8:21:13 GMT
BBC transport correspondent Tom Edwards on Twitter yesterday:-
Passenger numbers slowly increasing. Tube journeys up 18% on last week, 32% of 2019 (740k)
Bus journeys up 39% on last week, 56% of 2019 (960k). NB Zip cards: Monday 141k. Tues 171k. Wed 182k. (More schools returning)
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 10, 2020 13:11:33 GMT
Latest news from ASLEF that the pilot of the new training system has begun, 128 out of 328 IOps volunteered to take part in the pilot, 23 IOp “training bubbles” have been established and so far 11 TOps have completed training that allows them to return to normal duties. Not much feedback so far although there have been complaints about the googles/visors
A “training bubble” is one trainee and one IOp paired together, in-cab training doesn't start until both have returned negative test results and testing takes place every seven days. If they are in the same bubble for a period of weeks then they can carry on training while they wait for the weekly test results. However, if an IOp changes to a different trainee in a subsequent week then the clock is ‘reset’ and both the IOp and trainee in the new bubble must not carry out any in-cab training until negative results are received.
Apparently there has been an issue where management have assumed that an IOp could move from one trainee to another as long as they'd had a negative test in the last seven days, this was not the agreed procedure and this issue was raised this issue at the weekly meeting today. One of the IOps in the pilot tested positive but luckily that was before the start of any in-cab training
Meanwhile Emma Gibson, director of London Travel Watch has tweeted that TfL have told the London Assembly the assumptions they are using for their financial modelling include social distancing being over by May 2021, a second Covid peak this winter and demand returning to 80% of previous levels by the end of 2021.
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Post by johnlinford on Sept 11, 2020 8:07:11 GMT
This BBC Article has some good details on the financial struggles at TfL including collapse of advertising revenue. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 11, 2020 11:03:01 GMT
According to a tweet from Heidi Alexander (deputy mayor for transport) TfL's revenue is 72% fares, 14% business rates, 14% others inc. rents, advertising, Congestion and ULEZ Charge, etc. Advertising is a nice little bit extra but dropping to 5% passengers on the Tube and 15% on buses for two months is why TfL needed a bailout (and will need another one next month).
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Sept 11, 2020 17:27:22 GMT
This BBC Article has some good details on the financial struggles at TfL including collapse of advertising revenue. I had a quick flick through the quarterly report and found some interesting figures: - Total income £154m above Emergency Budget at £993m
- Passenger income £114m above Emergency Budget
- but this is a 38% and 81% fall from Q1 last year, respectively.
- Total costs were £30m above the Emergency Budget at £1544, although this was only a 1% increase from Q1 last year
- TfL's credit rating has nominally reduced
This was only a quick glance through and I'll read through it properly tomorrow Unrelated point but it's nice to see the new BBC News Online layout coming to more articles. I do have a few criticisms but it's outside the remit of the forum... |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 11, 2020 17:40:49 GMT
It's certainly busier out there tonight, I checked my train's loading on Trackernet and compared it with the same train last Friday
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16:45 Ealing BWy 10% 10%
16:57 White City 19% 19%
17:09 Marble Arch 24% 15%
17:15 Holborn 40% 21%
17:22 Liverpool St 40% 21%
17:28 Mile End 35% 21%
17:32 Stratford 37% 29%
17:36 Leytonstone 24% 24%
Those numbers are after the train left those points
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Post by spsmiler on Sept 12, 2020 9:56:20 GMT
This BBC Article has some good details on the financial struggles at TfL including collapse of advertising revenue. I've noticed this - whilst waiting for trains at several Central London stations I've been looking at the adverts and the organisation behind them. Yes there is some commercial advertising, but there are also a lot of TfL messages. However, to the casual observer this will not be immediately apparent as they come in a wide range of variations - for instance, mind the closing doors and mind the gap messages are very different (visually) to messages related to wearing face masks and messages about train cleaning. |
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Post by spsmiler on Sept 12, 2020 10:04:03 GMT
This tweet is probably relevant to this thread - potentially it will result in a general return to office work at other banks in London's two Financial Districts. Even if it happens slowly over a few weeks it will be very welcome to the industries that rely on city workers (lunchtime food shops, etc)
It might even justify reopening the Waterloo & City line (if at all possible)
I was in the Bank area a week ago and apart from a few tourists near the Bank Of England building, passing buses plus the noise from workmen installing a dedicated bike lane in Threadneedle Street the Bank area was like a mortuary.
I do not know enough to comment on No.2 on that list.
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Post by sawb on Sept 12, 2020 11:34:13 GMT
The markets were jittery before covid and are more jittery now, although this has very little to do with covid.
I'm due to return to London before the end of the year, possibly in the next week. As someone who is exempt from wearing a face covering for a number of reasons, I'm more nervous after horror stories of how some people not wearing a face covering have been treated by others for not wearing one. I've been travelling on my own for over 12 years and this is the first time I'd say I am genuinely nervous and apprehensive.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 12, 2020 11:45:57 GMT
This tweet is probably relevant to this thread - potentially it will result in a general return to office work at other banks in London's two Financial Districts. Even if it happens slowly over a few weeks it will be very welcome to the industries that rely on city workers (lunchtime food shops, etc) It might even justify reopening the Waterloo & City line (if at all possible) I was in the Bank area a week ago and apart from a few tourists near the Bank Of England building, passing buses plus the noise from workmen installing a dedicated bike lane in Threadneedle Street the Bank area was like a mortuary. I do not know enough to comment on No.2 on that list. Pedantry Corner: London has three financial districts, along with the City and Canary Wharf Mayfair has become "hedge fund central" with over 300 in the W1J and W1K postcode areas. Reopening the Waterloo & City would mean taking drivers off the Central, we're just about managing to keep a full service going but we've got quite a few drivers retiring between now and the end of the year. |
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Post by tjw on Sept 12, 2020 12:37:23 GMT
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Post by brigham on Sept 12, 2020 13:40:21 GMT
...or you could wear some sort of non-intrusive face covering.
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Post by philthetube on Sept 12, 2020 14:52:23 GMT
The markets were jittery before covid and are more jittery now, although this has very little to do with covid. I'm due to return to London before the end of the year, possibly in the next week. As someone who is exempt from wearing a face covering for a number of reasons, I'm more nervous after horror stories of how some people not wearing a face covering have been treated by others for not wearing one. I've been travelling on my own for over 12 years and this is the first time I'd say I am genuinely nervous and apprehensive. Assuming that you are unable to wear a face mask, as opposed to being exempt, I would seriously consider using a shield, that is going to give you some level of protection as well as others, and will prevent you being hassled. |
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Post by bassmike on Sept 12, 2020 17:18:06 GMT
Do morgan-Chase have the legal authority to do this??
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Post by Chris M on Sept 12, 2020 18:07:08 GMT
Do morgan-Chase have the legal authority to do this?? They would not have the authority to require staff to work in the office if there was some sort of law in place prohibiting that. However the law (as I understand it exists at the moment) is that only social gatherings of more than 6 people are illegal, with gatherings for work being explicitly exempt. The government are also encouraging people back into work so I don't see how this could be legally problematic - in general. There might be issues regarding what happens to any staff who don't come in to work, especially if they are shielding or quarantining, but as long as that is compliant with normal employment law there will be no issues. |
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Post by spsmiler on Sept 12, 2020 18:07:57 GMT
The markets were jittery before covid and are more jittery now, although this has very little to do with covid. I'm due to return to London before the end of the year, possibly in the next week. As someone who is exempt from wearing a face covering for a number of reasons, I'm more nervous after horror stories of how some people not wearing a face covering have been treated by others for not wearing one. I've been travelling on my own for over 12 years and this is the first time I'd say I am genuinely nervous and apprehensive. There have indeed been some horror stories regarding treatment of people without facial coverings, but unless I am mistaken these have all been overseas (eg: Melbourne, Australia) - I have not heard of anything really nasty happening here in London and being aware of the situation* you face I most certainly have not said anything to people who I've encountered who were not wearing facial coverings. Although not an approved facial covering a clear plastic face shield sounds like a great idea. *My mother has breathing issues and if she were to be travelling on the trains she would be exempt from wearing a mask. But she has decided that apart from hospital visits (where she has indeed met with serious push-back by unsympathetic people, but its not a transport issue) she will stay shielding, at home. I do her shopping. As an aside, if you are going to travel on the mainline railways at least one operator (LNER) has decided that all passengers must get a pre-assigned seat reservation, but from personal experience earlier this week it seems that once on the train they do not enforce this ruling. I learnt this the hard way when I boarded a train at Newcastle Upon Tyne and discovered someone with an open ticket sitting at the seat that had been assigned to me. Whats even worse is that this was a youngish adult who did not understand about seat reservations. He did offer to move somewhere else but I let him stay there and found an empty seat with a proper table that was nowhere near to anyone else. |
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Post by spsmiler on Sept 12, 2020 18:14:28 GMT
Pedantry Corner: London has three financial districts, along with the City and Canary Wharf Mayfair has become "hedge fund central" with over 300 in the W1J and W1K postcode areas. Reopening the Waterloo & City would mean taking drivers off the Central, we're just about managing to keep a full service going but we've got quite a few drivers retiring between now and the end of the year. Oh, I did not realise about the hedge funds, although I do understand about the Mayfair area being a fashionable high profile location - and suitably expensive for wealthy financial services people! |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 13, 2020 0:49:02 GMT
The markets were jittery before covid and are more jittery now, although this has very little to do with covid. I'm due to return to London before the end of the year, possibly in the next week. As someone who is exempt from wearing a face covering for a number of reasons, I'm more nervous after horror stories of how some people not wearing a face covering have been treated by others for not wearing one. I've been travelling on my own for over 12 years and this is the first time I'd say I am genuinely nervous and apprehensive. There have indeed been some horror stories regarding treatment of people without facial coverings, but unless I am mistaken these have all been overseas (eg: Melbourne, Australia) - I have not heard of anything really nasty happening here in London and being aware of the situation* you face I most certainly have not said anything to people who I've encountered who were not wearing facial coverings. Here you go www.theguardian.com/society/2020/aug/10/survivors-say-they-are-being-stigmatised-for-not-wearing-maskswww.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/01/mask-face-coverings-i-cant-wear-one-health-reasonswww.autismeye.com/face-masks-abuse/ |
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Post by sawb on Sept 13, 2020 7:41:47 GMT
Thank you, useful to know |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Sept 13, 2020 7:54:31 GMT
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Post by noddymac on Sept 13, 2020 14:53:56 GMT
This tweet is probably relevant to this thread - potentially it will result in a general return to office work at other banks in London's two Financial Districts. Even if it happens slowly over a few weeks it will be very welcome to the industries that rely on city workers (lunchtime food shops, etc) It might even justify reopening the Waterloo & City line (if at all possible) I was in the Bank area a week ago and apart from a few tourists near the Bank Of England building, passing buses plus the noise from workmen installing a dedicated bike lane in Threadneedle Street the Bank area was like a mortuary. I do not know enough to comment on No.2 on that list. I work at Bank/Monument stations and the numbers have increased. In terms of the Waterloo and City line we still have no official word yet on when it will reopen. Our Area Manager visited us the other day and she said so far everything is rumour and speculation but the one which sounds quite likely is the Waterloo & City being open for peak hours only. Time will tell. We’re definitely getting more tourists and workers back. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 13, 2020 16:51:06 GMT
I work at Bank/Monument stations and the numbers have increased. In terms of the Waterloo and City line we still have no official word yet on when it will reopen. Our Area Manager visited us the other day and she said so far everything is rumour and speculation but the one which sounds quite likely is the Waterloo & City being open for peak hours only. Time will tell. We’re definitely getting more tourists and workers back. Reopening the W&C for peak hours only would mean a completely new timetable and roster. Currently there are 26 duties booking on between 04:45 and 17:23 on weekdays and 14 duties between 06:40 and 17:13 on a Saturday. What would M-F 709 duty do (06:33 - 15:00), or 710 (11:42 - 19:31) or 7!! (11:52 - 19:22)? |
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Post by stapler on Sept 13, 2020 20:43:26 GMT
There are reports in the Essex press that "measures" are to be imposed on Redbridge LB owing to a very high new cases rate. If they are, will there be a TFL response, including an element of non-stopping at LO/Central Line stations in that borough?
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Post by sawb on Sept 13, 2020 20:49:22 GMT
There are reports in the Essex press that "measures" are to be imposed on Redbridge LB owing to a very high new cases rate. If they are, will there be a TFL response, including an element of non-stopping at LO/Central Line stations in that borough? Not sure which Essex publication or publications you are referring to, but if it's one of those I think it could be, best to take it with a heaped shovelful of salt. |
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Post by spsmiler on Sept 13, 2020 21:04:40 GMT
There are reports in the Essex press that "measures" are to be imposed on Redbridge LB owing to a very high new cases rate. If they are, will there be a TFL response, including an element of non-stopping at LO/Central Line stations in that borough? Thats very alarming, as its where I live. As for the idea of all trains running non-stop through this borough, well I suppose its possible... but the meme has become more of curbing social events than people going to work or school. Therefore the trains will be needed! If there is a full blown local lockdown then the Central line would be hit very hard - Hainault depot is in Redbridge! I think that for me the best thing to do is avoid local areas where people congregate - such as the town centre. |
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Post by philthetube on Sept 13, 2020 22:08:58 GMT
I work at Bank/Monument stations and the numbers have increased. In terms of the Waterloo and City line we still have no official word yet on when it will reopen. Our Area Manager visited us the other day and she said so far everything is rumour and speculation but the one which sounds quite likely is the Waterloo & City being open for peak hours only. Time will tell. We’re definitely getting more tourists and workers back. Reopening the W&C for peak hours only would mean a completely new timetable and roster. Currently there are 26 duties booking on between 04:45 and 17:23 on weekdays and 14 duties between 06:40 and 17:13 on a Saturday. What would M-F 709 duty do (06:33 - 15:00), or 710 (11:42 - 19:31) or 7!! (11:52 - 19:22)? It wouldn't be difficult to sort, a timetable on there is easy to sort and drivers could just sit spare until new duties were agreed. |
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Post by Chris M on Sept 14, 2020 1:59:37 GMT
Reopening the W&C for peak hours only would mean a completely new timetable and roster. Currently there are 26 duties booking on between 04:45 and 17:23 on weekdays and 14 duties between 06:40 and 17:13 on a Saturday. What would M-F 709 duty do (06:33 - 15:00), or 710 (11:42 - 19:31) or 7!! (11:52 - 19:22)? Are shifts split between the W&C and Central allowed? If so then it might be possible to have ~6 or 7 drivers on suitable turns do the first half of their shift on the W&C covering the morning peak and the second half spare on the Central, with a different 6-7 covering the evening peak for half their shift. *based on a peak vehicle requirement of 5 and 1-2 spare. This does of course require there to be sufficient drivers available that these drivers aren't needed to cover Central line duties. |
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Post by brigham on Sept 14, 2020 7:39:15 GMT
What we need is someone like Scotty on LU.
He always starts with 'It can't be done, Jim', then promptly does it!
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