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Post by class411 on Sept 4, 2020 15:46:53 GMT
And some fell on stone ground... Obviously a somewhat highbrow bunch here. Most seemed to get the Becket gag, but not everyone knows that Batman wears a (non C19 related) mask. |
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Post by brigham on Sept 4, 2020 16:11:49 GMT
My mask's C18. It has a long nose to pack with herbs and ointments!
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Post by 35b on Sept 4, 2020 16:24:30 GMT
Over the last 25 years I have occasionally worked in I.T., and have wondered with colleagues why at great expense of time and money we transport people from places such as Arundel and Wellingborough to London, so they can sit at a computer and send e-mails to their co-workers in the next room. The lockdown and Government advice not to use public transport, has finally shewn that it is possible for the (home) office to be in a house in Arundel or Wellingborough. The system has been tested over the last few months and for many businesses the new system is working fine. I have friends that commute into London, and what they tell me is very bad news for public transportation. Some offices do not plan to open until after Christmas, in many cases setting up the unsocial distancing and modifying the offices is too much hassle especially as the advice is changing with the wind direction. While offices will be reopening over the next few months in some cases home working and flexible working will be the norm, with the option of attending meetings in person. A number of employers are looking at the costs of running large office blocks in London, and have found out that their employees are happy working from home and many are glad not to spend several hours on overcrowded trains that are regularly late or cancelled. With all the talk of the so called new normal, why would anyone want to go back to the rush hour unless it was really necessary? The only reason we have public transportation is to transport as many people as possible as quickly and efficiently as possible from A to B. London has seen some improvement in its transportation system but it is still too slow, and far too expensive. It will need to do much better if it wants to attract office workers out of the home office, and back into the City or West End. There seem to be two opposing schools of thought about whether home working will become a new norm. Given that it's something that has been touted since well before C19, and has never really happened, I tend to think that it will probably not, to any great extent. The problem is that most organisations are very top heavy in their management, and that management need to have vast numbers of pointless meetings (or, perhaps more accurately, meetings where there is no point in the majority of attendees attending). I suspect that they will always see physical meetings as having a better profile for making it look as if they are doing something useful. If home working did become the norm, it might be bad for public transport in the short term, because of the financial implications, but once it was well established, it would be a great benefit because you could have a transport system that did not need to cater for super-saturated peaks, morning and evening. I was, till March, a part time commuter. Like most of my colleagues, I have very mixed feelings about being unable to work in the office; I’m saving time and money on the one hand, but missing an important part of social contact with those colleagues on the other. That’s not just beer (though that is important!), but also the professional connections and relationships that go with working in an office and seeing people by chance. And I’m lucky enough to have decent home working space; I’ve colleagues who are really struggling because they live in small flats and have to manage in space that just wasn’t designed for home working. That’s not just younger/more junior colleagues either - I can think of one well above my level whose struggling with a 2 bedroom flat, 2 professionals and a 16 year old studying. There will be change, but I don’t believe the “new normal” will be as different as people suspect, or that continuity will be caused by senior managers insisting on presenteeism - that’s certainly not the culture where I’ve worked. |
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Post by johnlinford on Sept 4, 2020 18:40:16 GMT
One thing I've noticed on the tube of late is that there aren't many adverts, especially in carriages. This makes sense because why would you advertise when there are no passengers, however won't be helping TfL's revenue. Stations also seem to have many old posters (and while a bit off topic national rail outside of London even worse).
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Post by davidr1986 on Sept 4, 2020 19:05:57 GMT
One thing I've noticed on the tube of late is that there aren't many adverts, especially in carriages. This makes sense because why would you advertise when there are no passengers, however won't be helping TfL's revenue. Stations also seem to have many old posters (and while a bit off topic national rail outside of London even worse). Many of the bigger posters (ones on the trackside walls, etc) haven't been replaced since the start of the lockdown. The ones in (LU 'Circuit' Poster) frames are replaced on average once a month, but the ones in the 'Global' branded frames also haven't been replaced since the end of March which is why you see posters for events that either haven't happened or been postponed. |
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Post by Chris W on Sept 4, 2020 19:46:07 GMT
There will be change, but I don’t believe the “new normal” will be as different as people suspect, or that continuity will be caused by senior managers insisting on presenteeism - that’s certainly not the culture where I’ve worked. The ultimate qualification will be productivity... if its anything like my wife (meant to work 3-day part-time weeks), she is now investing 4-5 days worth of her time... would any company, in its right mind, want her to return to just 3 days of her effort/time ?
Additionally, companies now have technologies such as Teams and Zoom for communication, plus the attraction of significantly reducing rental costs of property in Central London and around the metropolis, renting smaller land space...
What sort of company wants to reject immediate profit??!!
WAVE 2 ?Following @lawrencegilder and others on Twitter, I'm watching the long-term figures and trends. IMO these suggest that the trend is on the up, with an increase of positive cases, especially in cities such as Manchester, Birmingham and now Leeds. It may be that its only a matter of time before the wave returns to London... with all the impacts that a second lockdown will have upon TfL and its finances ! But please don't take my word for it* - do your own research, comparing social behaviours (younger generation) and trends during COVID-19 against behaviours during Spanish Flu, a century ago. * I sincerely hope that I am wrong |
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Post by 35b on Sept 4, 2020 20:10:34 GMT
There will be change, but I don’t believe the “new normal” will be as different as people suspect, or that continuity will be caused by senior managers insisting on presenteeism - that’s certainly not the culture where I’ve worked. The ultimate qualification will be productivity... if its anything like my wife (meant to work 3-day part-time weeks), she is now investing 4-5 days worth of her time... would any company, in its right mind, want her to return to just 3 days of her effort/time ?
Additionally, companies now have technologies such as Teams and Zoom for communication, plus the attraction of significantly reducing rental costs of property in Central London and around the metropolis, renting smaller land space...
Please give me a list of companies that want to reject immediate profit - kkeeerrrrchhiiinnggg ??!!
WAVE 2 ?Following @lawrencegilder and others on Twitter, I'm watching the long-term figures and trends. These (IMO), undoubtedly suggest that the trend is on the up, with an increase of positive cases, especially in cities such as Manchester, Birmingham and now Leeds. IMO it's only a matter of time before the wave returns to London... with all the impacts that a second lockdown will have upon TfL and its finances ! But please don't take my word for it* - do your own research, comparing social behaviours (younger generation) and trends during COVID-19 against behaviours during Spanish Flu, a century ago. * I sincerely hope that I am wrong Companies will, if sensible, want people to revert to something like normal hours as they’ll otherwise burn out. As for the tech, I’ve been using Skype and Teams routinely since long before Covid and will for long after - the face to face contact will still be vital. |
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Post by Chris W on Sept 4, 2020 20:33:15 GMT
the face to face contact will still be vital. Absolutely... only just not quite as often. Staff will still need to attend a commercial office, but do they need to be there 9-5, 5 days a week. Surely a work/life balance (especially those with children) works better if staff are around 2 or 3 days a week, rather than everyday, especially if productivity increases * * excluding some roles (e.g. emergency services), where 40 hours in an office will remain the standard If staff attend offices 2 day / 3 day weeks, office space for most commercial companies is practically halved/significantly reduced. If home working productivity remains high, why would companies (and those in management, who will also benefit from the lifestyle balance) want to return to the traditional working week ? |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 5, 2020 4:17:12 GMT
And some fell on stone ground... When's your first stand up gig     It was back in the 80s, it went so well they asked me to come back every week...as the bouncer. |
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Post by 35b on Sept 5, 2020 10:43:06 GMT
the face to face contact will still be vital. Absolutely... only just not quite as often. Staff will still need to attend a commercial office, but do they need to be there 9-5, 5 days a week. Surely a work/life balance (especially those with children) works better if staff are around 2 or 3 days a week, rather than everyday, especially if productivity increases * * excluding some roles (e.g. emergency services), where 40 hours in an office will remain the standard If staff attend offices 2 day / 3 day weeks, office space for most commercial companies is practically halved/significantly reduced. If home working productivity remains high, why would companies (and those in management, who will also benefit from the lifestyle balance) want to return to the traditional working week ? The capacity reduction isn’t proportional in that way - firms that assume it is find people coming in far too early to get desks. |
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Post by John Tuthill on Sept 5, 2020 13:27:21 GMT
It was back in the 80s, it went so well they asked me to come back every week...as the bouncer. I remember a few years ago a night club was being opened in Kingston. In the local paper they had vacancies for "Door Superintendents" |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 5, 2020 13:49:09 GMT
It was back in the 80s, it went so well they asked me to come back every week...as the bouncer. I remember a few years ago a night club was being opened in Kingston. In the local paper they had vacancies for "Door Superintendents" This was The Guilty Pea upstairs at the Wheatsheaf just off Oxford St. I don't think they could afford me these days... |
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Post by John Tuthill on Sept 5, 2020 14:02:37 GMT
I remember a few years ago a night club was being opened in Kingston. In the local paper they had vacancies for "Door Superintendents" This was The Guilty Pea upstairs at the Wheatsheaf just off Oxford St. I don't think they could afford me these days... Was it that beautiful old pub in Rathbone Place? |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 6, 2020 1:47:37 GMT
This was The Guilty Pea upstairs at the Wheatsheaf just off Oxford St. I don't think they could afford me these days... Was it that beautiful old pub in Rathbone Place? That's the one, Saturday nights (I think) in the tiny upstairs bar that held about 30 people. A lot of big stand-up comedians started their careers there, my stand-up career finished there... |
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Post by Tom on Sept 6, 2020 19:07:03 GMT
Back on Topic please...
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Post by holborncentral on Sept 7, 2020 1:32:27 GMT
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Post by revupminster on Sept 7, 2020 5:51:23 GMT
The local doctor's receptionist uses a heat gun detector to the forehead. The Minor Injuries Unit has a camera and monitor but none have the throughput of a railway station.
It's probably another idea dreamed up by scientists and civil servants to discredit the government. They have done a brilliant job so far with conflicting views. 250,000 deaths predicted panicked the government, must have ventilators that have now apparently killed more people than saved.
I live a mile from one of the first covid clusters at a grammar school children brought back from a sking holiday in Italy. It was dealt with and the area is one of the safest despite thousands of staycationers visiting.
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Post by tjw on Sept 7, 2020 7:10:41 GMT
The local doctor's receptionist uses a heat gun detector to the forehead. The Minor Injuries Unit has a camera and monitor but none have the throughput of a railway station. It's probably another idea dreamed up by scientists and civil servants to discredit the government. They have done a brilliant job so far with conflicting views. 250,000 deaths predicted panicked the government, must have ventilators that have now apparently killed more people than saved. I live a mile from one of the first covid clusters at a grammar school children brought back from a sking holiday in Italy. It was dealt with and the area is one of the safest despite thousands of staycationers visiting. The temperature checks seem mainly about boosting confidence... They can't pick up the majority of cases that are asymptomatic, and people with a temperature can take medication available without prescription from your Supermarket (so masking the temperature). A case in I think South Korea slipped through the net this way. It is interesting that people are wearing masks (usually incorrectly) in more places but ignoring the social distancing rules, and surprise the cases are increasing. Although the increase could be due to the increase in testing. Well if the virus carries on infecting the young and healthy now we should avoid a "second wave" in the autumn. N.B. the Oxford team have suggested we will not have a second wave the discredited Imperial team has gone rather quiet. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 7, 2020 7:47:11 GMT
The local doctor's receptionist uses a heat gun detector to the forehead. The Minor Injuries Unit has a camera and monitor but none have the throughput of a railway station. It's probably another idea dreamed up by scientists and civil servants to discredit the government. They have done a brilliant job so far with conflicting views. 250,000 deaths predicted panicked the government, must have ventilators that have now apparently killed more people than saved. I live a mile from one of the first covid clusters at a grammar school children brought back from a sking holiday in Italy. It was dealt with and the area is one of the safest despite thousands of staycationers visiting. What utter nonsense, the UK has one of the highest Covid death rates in the world, 612.04 deaths per million, compared to 111.30 in Germany and 470.30 in France, how can that be described as "a brilliant job"? The government have discredited themselves by ignoring their own scientific advisers and by repeated U-turns on policy, they don't need anyone else to do it. Back in April the NHS said that around two thirds of people who were put on ventilators would likely die, that isn't the same as saying that more would live if they weren't put on ventilators. The only suggestion that ventilators led to more deaths started in the USA like most conspiracy rubbish and was then spread by the Daily Mail, unless you have evidence to prove otherwise. The idea was dreamed up by Nickie Aiken, Conservative MP for Cities of London and Westminster since 2019, before that she was Leader of Westminster Council. |
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Post by revupminster on Sept 7, 2020 8:34:16 GMT
^Did they ignore the scientific advisors? What was the Nightingale Hospitals about? Boris vanity project? Perhaps we should have had Swedish advisors.
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Post by class411 on Sept 7, 2020 9:17:21 GMT
^Did they ignore the scientific advisors? What was the Nightingale Hospitals about? Boris vanity project? Perhaps we should have had Swedish advisors. You are making the same mistake as many people make. Their logic goes like this: The scientists have made mistakes. Therefore they know no better then the politicians. Therefore we may as well take the views of any politician who we like, as having equal weight to those of the scientists. This logic is, of course, absurd. It's like saying that you would rather be flown in an aircraft piloted by two politicians who'd never flown in their lives, rather than a pair of professional pilots each of whom had been involved in a minor crash at some point in their careers. Out and out bonkers. |
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Post by goldenarrow on Sept 7, 2020 9:26:33 GMT
A number of very bland assumptions are made in that article. Most problematic among them is assuming that the transport industry as a whole has the resources (financially, personally, ancillary or otherwise) to implement wide scale S.Korean style passenger screening. Another issue is the disclaimer at the bottom of the paywall article 'Nickie Aiken is the Conservative MP for Cities of London and Westminster'. In short, this is just a lip service article offering nothing new and nothing practical given that almost all strings now lie with Central Government. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Sept 7, 2020 9:35:16 GMT
The article came out on Thursday and got a response from RMT's John Lynch the next day who suggests that it was "clearly written by someone who does not undertake a regular commute into London". He pointed out that thanks to staff cuts many stations are left unstaffed so there wouldn't be anyone to carry out the tests and noted that while the Rt. Hon. Member for Cities of London & Westminster has discussed her proposals with "major office employers" she doesn't appear to have consulted the unions that represent the workers who would be asked to carry out the temperature checks. www.rmt.org.uk/news/rmt-responds-to-comments-made-by4920/No mention of whether she bothered to ask TfL but maybe that's in the full article behind the paywall. |
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Post by John Tuthill on Sept 7, 2020 11:17:33 GMT
^Did they ignore the scientific advisors? What was the Nightingale Hospitals about? Boris vanity project? Perhaps we should have had Swedish advisors. Lets have a judicial review chaired by Lord Justice Hindsight |
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Post by Chris L on Sept 7, 2020 14:24:28 GMT
TfL are paying for trains and buses to be swabbed. Interiors are being treated with hospital grade sanitiser on a frequent basis. Nothing found so far. |
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Post by holborncentral on Sept 7, 2020 17:37:07 GMT
The local doctor's receptionist uses a heat gun detector to the forehead. The Minor Injuries Unit has a camera and monitor but none have the throughput of a railway station. It's probably another idea dreamed up by scientists and civil servants to discredit the government. They have done a brilliant job so far with conflicting views. 250,000 deaths predicted panicked the government, must have ventilators that have now apparently killed more people than saved. I live a mile from one of the first covid clusters at a grammar school children brought back from a sking holiday in Italy. It was dealt with and the area is one of the safest despite thousands of staycationers visiting. And are those heat gun detectors reliable and accurate? I think if CSAs were to use them on passengers there would likely be a bottleneck at busy stations as people would have to stop for a few seconds to have their temperature taken. The Irish govt don't recommend temperature checks as a suitable form of Covid 19 screening as it's not considered reliable. Instead the focus is on distancing, mask wearing and extra hygiene. Schools are back and there's been a number of confirmed cases in them already. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Sept 7, 2020 17:53:31 GMT
Let's keep the bickering about politicians and scientists out of the thread please .
A temperature is one of the three key Covid-19 symptoms, not everyone will have one. There is also asymptomatic transition to consider; this is why, for now, face coverings and distancing is needed.
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Post by Tom on Sept 8, 2020 15:35:22 GMT
The last ten posts in this thread have been removed as they were either in breach of Rule 3a (Political Opinions) or otherwise off topic. Please stick to the topic - Coronavirus Implications For London's Transport, and refrain from expressing political opinions.
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Post by croxleyn on Sept 9, 2020 18:28:50 GMT
The problem with any sort of public test is What happens if a person is identified? You might need police to somehow arrest the individual, who's likely to be not prepared to "come quietly". They would probably remove mask and start shouting so causing panic. It certainly wouldn't be within the remit of a CSA.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Sept 9, 2020 18:41:36 GMT
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