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Post by goldenarrow on Apr 13, 2020 18:51:34 GMT
Heathrow’s Terminal 4 to close on Friday, Terminal 3 to follow suit by the end of the month leaving just 2 & 5. Bliss! Are there any implications for the Piccadilly line service pattern from this, such as closing T4 and sending everything direct to Terminals 123 and 5? Nothing announced as of yet but I would expect what you suggest in due course. I see no value in keeping the arrivals concourse open for the Tube and TfL Rail even for the two hotels close by which have bus links to active terminals all within the free travel zone. |
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Post by superteacher on Apr 13, 2020 18:54:17 GMT
My apologies if this has already been covered upthread. My excuse is that at the start of the lockdown I was stuck in Mexico with intermittent comms and I had to speed-read when we got back to catch up on everything. What, I wonder, will be the long-term implications of the virus? Quite apart from the damage done to the economy and the tourist industry, with so many people working from home how many commuters, or their employers, will have found out that in fact they don’t need to come in so often, if at all? I suspect that TfL will be paying a heavy price for a long time to come. Regarding working from home, please see the thread below, which was, in fact, split from this one: districtdavesforum.co.uk/thread/31424/working-home |
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Post by littlejohn on Apr 13, 2020 20:07:32 GMT
Thank you - my apologies.
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Post by North End on Apr 13, 2020 20:14:14 GMT
What, I wonder, will be the long-term implications of the virus? Quite apart from the damage done to the economy and the tourist industry, with so many people working from home how many commuters, or their employers, will have found out that in fact they don’t need to come in so often, if at all? I suspect that TfL will be paying a heavy price for a long time to come. That's the $64,000 question I suspect we're all wondering the answer to! Times are extremely uncertain at the moment. My personal view is this won't be a flash in the pan situation - I think the world will be paying the price for this for many years to come. Yes it’s inevitable. Without even thinking of the wider implications, the amount of public spending going on at this moment is eye-watering, against a background where tax revenues are bound to fall. I think we can all guess what that’s going to mean. And of course if our taxes increase, that’s less disposable income which has a knock-on effect elsewhere in the economy. I suspect Piccadilly Line resignalling has now had it... |
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Post by spsmiler on Apr 14, 2020 22:25:08 GMT
If it makes rush hours even 10% less busy it may prove to be a blessing, as there will be reduced need for trains that are used for just a few journeys twice a day.
Perhaps the mainline will notice this benefit more than the Underground - especially lines like the Piccadilly which serve important tourist destinations and are generally busy all day.
I agree that it will take time to recover - perhaps several years, I am sorry to say.
Maybe Crossrail 2 will be delayed even further? Or maybe it will be built soon as a way of boosting the economy... creating work, etc.
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Post by North End on Apr 14, 2020 22:46:22 GMT
If it makes rush hours even 10% less busy it may prove to be a blessing, as there will be reduced need for trains that are used for just a few journeys twice a day. Perhaps the mainline will notice this benefit more than the Underground - especially lines like the Piccadilly which serve important tourist destinations and are generally busy all day. I agree that it will take time to recover - perhaps several years, I am sorry to say. Maybe Crossrail 2 will be delayed even further? Or maybe it will be built soon as a way of boosting the economy... creating work, etc. The idea of sidings full of stabled trains during the off-peak is a bit of a misnomer nowadays. Many services now run as full length through the day or are even made up of fixed formation trains. Quite a bit of maintenance happens during that time for those which do stable. For example the Great Northern 313s in their last full timetable. 41 diagrams, just 6 stabled between the peaks. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Apr 15, 2020 2:53:08 GMT
Maybe Crossrail 2 will be delayed even further? Or maybe it will be built soon as a way of boosting the economy... creating work, etc. Boris has said repeatedly that he wants to focus government investment in the North and Midlands, if there's going to be any boosting of the economy its going to be ouside London. Unless TfL finds £30bn down the back of the sofa Crossrail 2 isn't going to be built any time soon with the Bakerloo Line extension now under serious threat. I suspect that investment in the North and Midlands might be lost in another period of austerity with Covid-19 taking the blame. HS2 could also conveniently be cancelled, billions spent on preparation work but not a single metre of track laid and Boris certainly has previous on that one... |
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Post by jimbo on Apr 15, 2020 4:10:41 GMT
Maybe Crossrail 2 will be delayed even further? Or maybe it will be built soon as a way of boosting the economy... creating work, etc. Boris has said repeatedly that he wants to focus government investment in the North and Midlands, if there's going to be any boosting of the economy its going to be ouside London. Unless TfL finds £30bn down the back of the sofa Crossrail 2 isn't going to be built any time soon with the Bakerloo Line extension now under serious threat. I suspect that investment in the North and Midlands might be lost in another period of austerity with Covid-19 taking the blame. HS2 could also conveniently be cancelled, billions spent on preparation work but not a single metre of track laid and Boris certainly has previous on that one... Projects to "boost the economy and create work" need to be effective in the next few years, not 10+ years to completion! Even resignalling and new rolling stock projects seem to be longer term. |
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Post by brigham on Apr 15, 2020 7:24:57 GMT
Maybe Crossrail 2 will be delayed even further? Or maybe it will be built soon as a way of boosting the economy... creating work, etc. Boris has said repeatedly that he wants to focus government investment in the North and Midlands, if there's going to be any boosting of the economy its going to be ouside London. Unless TfL finds £30bn down the back of the sofa Crossrail 2 isn't going to be built any time soon with the Bakerloo Line extension now under serious threat. I suspect that investment in the North and Midlands might be lost in another period of austerity with Covid-19 taking the blame. HS2 could also conveniently be cancelled, billions spent on preparation work but not a single metre of track laid and Boris certainly has previous on that one... HS2 should be all right. It serves the North, doesn't it? You know, Birmingham... |
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Post by crusty54 on Apr 15, 2020 7:46:39 GMT
Boris has said repeatedly that he wants to focus government investment in the North and Midlands, if there's going to be any boosting of the economy its going to be ouside London. Unless TfL finds £30bn down the back of the sofa Crossrail 2 isn't going to be built any time soon with the Bakerloo Line extension now under serious threat. I suspect that investment in the North and Midlands might be lost in another period of austerity with Covid-19 taking the blame. HS2 could also conveniently be cancelled, billions spent on preparation work but not a single metre of track laid and Boris certainly has previous on that one... HS2 should be all right. It serves the North, doesn't it? You know, Birmingham... Four HS2 contracts given government approval to start full detailed design and construction by big 4 civils contractors.. |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Apr 15, 2020 8:35:32 GMT
Can we please be mindful not to drift from what impact the Coronavirus is having on the transport system in London? For the most part, everybody's been really good with this, keeping it on track (so to speak), so let's keep it that way going forward. 
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Post by Colin on Apr 15, 2020 10:39:46 GMT
The blue spots indicating two metre gaps along platforms have been appearing at “hot spot” stations (those that remain relatively busy).
On the District they were initially put in at Dagenham Heathway, East Ham, West Ham and Acton Town.
They have now appeared at Mile End, Tower Hill, Monument, Victoria, Earls Court and bizarrely half of the platform at Olympia.
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Post by sawb on Apr 15, 2020 12:34:37 GMT
Interesting.....any idea as to why they've gone in at Olympia, as that's frankly the last station I'd expect to see them?
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Post by Colin on Apr 15, 2020 12:49:38 GMT
Pass. I’m as surprised as you are!
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Post by MoreToJack on Apr 15, 2020 13:31:49 GMT
They're spreading to the majority of the network as I understand it, with initial priority given to the busy stations. Not all stations get completed in the same night.
Stickers also observed at Seven Sisters, King's Cross, Baker Street and Harrow-on-the-Hill (platforms 3-6 only).
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Post by londonstuff on Apr 15, 2020 14:02:51 GMT
Pass. I’m as surprised as you are! Putting them at Olympia is blatantly trolling the general public. 😂 |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Apr 15, 2020 14:52:18 GMT
The blue spots indicating two metre gaps along platforms have been appearing at “hot spot” stations (those that remain relatively busy). On the District they were initially put in at Dagenham Heathway, East Ham, West Ham and Acton Town. They have now appeared at Mile End, Tower Hill, Monument, Victoria, Earls Court and bizarrely half of the platform at Olympia. They're spreading to the majority of the network as I understand it, with initial priority given to the busy stations. Not all stations get completed in the same night. Stickers also observed at Seven Sisters, King's Cross, Baker Street and Harrow-on-the-Hill (platforms 3-6 only). Anyone wondering "what blue spots?":   |
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Post by superteacher on Apr 15, 2020 15:12:19 GMT
Wonder how long they will last post-lockdown? Would be amusing to look at them, preparing to be squashed into a carriage where keeping 2cm apart is a challenge!
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Post by londoner on Apr 15, 2020 17:14:53 GMT
Pass. I’m as surprised as you are! Putting them at Olympia is blatantly trolling the general public. 😂 The only reason I can think of is that Olympia is listed as the nearest Overground station to Charing Cross Hospital. |
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Post by John Tuthill on Apr 15, 2020 17:24:55 GMT
Putting them at Olympia is blatantly trolling the general public. 😂 The only reason I can think of is that Olympia is listed as the nearest Overground station to Charing Cross Hospital. West Brompton AND Earls Court? |
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Post by spsmiler on Apr 15, 2020 21:21:53 GMT
Any on the Central line to the east of London?
Gants Hill? Newbury Park?
TfL Rail - Seven Kings? Ilford?
... just mentally planning what to do first as soon as its allowed!
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Post by Chris M on Apr 15, 2020 22:13:56 GMT
I walked past the entrance to the northbound platform at Mudchute on my way to the supermarket today:   (click for larger versions) |
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Post by rapidtransitman on Apr 15, 2020 22:44:36 GMT
Putting them at Olympia is blatantly trolling the general public. 😂 The only reason I can think of is that Olympia is listed as the nearest Overground station to Charing Cross Hospital. Perhaps as the first test of sticker placement and use, as it's only half way down the platform ? |
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Post by crusty54 on Apr 16, 2020 4:09:15 GMT
I walked past the entrance to the northbound platform at Mudchute on my way to the supermarket today: (click for larger versions) About time too. The lack of multilingual government messages has been a serious flaw in getting a lot of people to stay indoors. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Apr 16, 2020 5:20:38 GMT
About time too. The lack of multilingual government messages has been a serious flaw in getting a lot of people to stay indoors. First noticed the multi-lingual poster on 20 March, this is backed up with PA messages in several languages at stations. |
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Post by crusty54 on Apr 16, 2020 8:15:56 GMT
About time too. The lack of multilingual government messages has been a serious flaw in getting a lot of people to stay indoors. First noticed the multi-lingual poster on 20 March, this is backed up with PA messages in several languages at stations. My point was about the lack of government information. Obviously many people like me have not set foot on a station in ages so I haven't seen the poster before or heard any announcements. Indeed, the last time I was in Woolwich there were 2 BTP Officers outside the DLR entrance checking people trying to enter. |
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Post by Chris M on Apr 16, 2020 10:42:05 GMT
My point was about the lack of government information. Indeed, the letter from the government, in addition to being late and out of date, was in English only (at least in England, I'm informed by friends in Wales that it was also in Welsh there). There was a web address given for information in other languages and formats, but this was also described in English at the same text size as the rest of the letter. My memory of the Millennium Bug information 20 years ago is that it was much better in this regard. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Apr 16, 2020 11:08:57 GMT
My point was about the lack of government information. Indeed, the letter from the government, in addition to being late and out of date, was in English only (at least in England). There was a web address given for information in other languages and formats, but this was also described in English at the same text size as the rest of the letter. My memory of the Millennium Bug information 20 years ago is that it was much better in this regard. As ever Private Eye has the answer, in last week's edition (no.1519) there was an article about the Central Office of Information who had been responsible for government information campaigns since WW2 ("Clunk, Click, Every Trip" was one of theirs) but was closed in 2011 against the recommendations of civil servants. The job is now done by the Cabinet Office who have generally been less effective and more expensive than the COI. |
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Post by d7666 on Apr 16, 2020 12:38:43 GMT
The only reason I can think of is that Olympia is listed as the nearest Overground station to Charing Cross Hospital. West Brompton AND Earls Court? Olympia serves the exhibition centre. Obviously the currently closed exhibition centre. So far, other exhibition centres e.g. excel as well as others in the provinces, have been adapted as emergency hospitals. Perhaps Olympia centre is being lined up for another phase if more  are needed, in which case station footfall will be up. Although marking the platform ahead of that, if it occurred, would make for unusual  forwards planning. Just a wild guess  |
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Post by ducatisti on Apr 16, 2020 13:14:03 GMT
Do you know when they went in?
Two options; could be first practice or is it for training/testing ideas out?
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are needed, in which case station footfall will be up. 
forwards planning.
