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Post by MoreToJack on Apr 2, 2020 14:33:24 GMT
There can be many reasons for PUT incidents taking a long time to resolve, all of which can be complicated by the additional pressures currently affecting the railway.
Let’s leave this here please. I’m happy for someone to post a definitive summary of the delay (respecting forum rule 7.2 (Person Under Train incidents - also referred to as 'one unders')) but no discussion. Back to Covid-19. Thanks.
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Post by PiccNT on Apr 3, 2020 14:47:15 GMT
Looks like the new timetables may be delayed. As I have previously posted, we are running about 6 trains from each of the four depots and that seems to be working well. Last night I took a train from Cockfosters at 21:30 down to Heathrow 5 and back. Hardly anyone about. On way EB trip, can't have picked up more than a dozen passengers. Anyway, here's the link to the timetable issue from one of the RMT websites. www.rmtlondoncalling.org.uk/content/rmt-and-lu-agree-postponement-new-train-timetables |
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Post by A60stock on Apr 5, 2020 17:52:09 GMT
TFL showing the met line as part suspended, but i cannot seem to work out which part is suspended
"A 30 min service is operating between Harrow and UXB/WAT/AMS/CHS and a 15 min service between HArrow and Aldgate?
How exactly is the service operating in tph?
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Post by MoreToJack on Apr 5, 2020 17:54:23 GMT
Uxbridge branch is 2tph today due to an increasing number of T/Op ONAs.
With Amersham-Harrow and Chesham-Watford also being 2tph this only leaves the Watford services running at 4tph to Baker Street.
It’s not a particularly easy service pattern to put into “Service Status” lingo.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Apr 5, 2020 18:37:03 GMT
It’s not a particularly easy service pattern to put into “Service Status” lingo. Similarly the District is rather oddly shown as: When the Upminster service continues to run to Olympia and the Ealing/Richmond services are running to High Street. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 13:38:47 GMT
Today it is just stating
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Post by Colin on Apr 6, 2020 16:24:42 GMT
They've always advertised the Upminster part of the line as running every 15 minutes and yet we've run a 10 minute frequency ever since the sart of all this - and we continue to do so today!
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Post by superteacher on Apr 7, 2020 7:29:14 GMT
Looking at live departures, there seems to be s real uptick in services on the Central line today.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 8:30:53 GMT
Looking at live departures, there seems to be s real uptick in services on the Central line today. As quoted by TfL 6 minute service operating between Leytonstone and White City and a 10 minute service operating on the rest of the line due to operatinf restrictions |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Apr 7, 2020 18:32:37 GMT
Having spent about two weeks doing Epping shuttles I finally got to do a White City today. Zone 1 is very quiet.
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Post by superteacher on Apr 7, 2020 18:50:41 GMT
Not been to London since February half term but I’d personally hate to see if quiet and deserted.
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Post by North End on Apr 7, 2020 19:48:17 GMT
Not been to London since February half term but I’d personally hate to see if quiet and deserted. To be quite honest it’s bliss. The air is the cleanest I’ve ever known, and in some streets it’s so quiet it’s possible to hear a pin drop, such that one can hear noises like birds singing which is normally only possible at obscure times like first thing on Sunday morning. The Underground is like the 1980s - those who have seen the 1990s Central Line Video 125 cab ride will get a taste of how it is, silence - minimal announcements too. I’m stood on London Bridge high level as I write this, and apart from a couple of staff I have the place pretty much to myself. And we all know the railway saying about trains running on time if it weren’t for the punters, it’s certainly holding true - you could set your watch by the train service, everything without exception is bang on right time.. Personally I like it. |
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Post by spsmiler on Apr 7, 2020 22:33:50 GMT
re: the empty streets of Central London... there is a holiday programme saying which describes my point of view, it is "Wish you were here"!
Well, I wish I was there - but I cannot justify travelling at present - by which I mean that there is no reason which I could give to a police officer for my travelling to central London (or indeed anywhere beyond my nearest Tesco) at the present time and there is an even better reason for not travelling (a desire to retain my good health)
Come the day the lockdown changes however...
As an aside, I read something today about people whose work still requires them to travel to Central London and apparently they were told that they must drive in, not to car share with anyone else and avoid public transport.
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Post by PiccNT on Apr 7, 2020 22:55:26 GMT
Having spent about two weeks doing Epping shuttles I finally got to do a White City today. Zone 1 is very quiet. Yes, extremely. I was out a couple of evenings ago and counted 5 passengers between Cockfosters and Heathrow 5 and 4 on the way back. Two of those were members of staff. Glad the Line Information Specialist is still telling us every 30 minutes that there is a special service on all lines (Circle and W&C excepted) due to operational restrictions. And a number of stations completely deserted but still urging members of the public to stand behind the yellow line! |
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Post by North End on Apr 7, 2020 23:03:55 GMT
re: the empty streets of Central London... there is a holiday programme saying which describes my point of view, it is "Wish you were here"! Well, I wish I was there - but I cannot justify travelling at present - by which I mean that there is no reason which I could give to a police officer for my travelling to central London (or indeed anywhere beyond my nearest Tesco) at the present time and there is an even better reason for not travelling (a desire to retain my good health) Come the day the lockdown changes however... As an aside, I read something today about people whose work still requires them to travel to Central London and apparently they were told that they must drive in, not to car share with anyone else and avoid public transport. Just to add one thing I forgot from my previous post, the rats and mice are also having a good time on the Underground at present. Very many more out and about and visible on platforms and in passageways than usual. I know they’re a pest, but I have to admit I find them a bit cute - plus unlike certain people recently at least they do seem to respect social distancing and keep away (from us if not each other!). |
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Post by spsmiler on Apr 7, 2020 23:17:42 GMT
Seeing rats and mice scurrying around might creep-out some passengers!
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Post by North End on Apr 7, 2020 23:44:39 GMT
Seeing rats and mice scurrying around might creep-out some passengers! There aren’t really that many passengers around to be creeped out, at many times of day at any rate. The worst experience I’ve ever had with a rat was finding a dead one at home, in an odd location as it wasn’t near any potential food sources. Then I realised there was a work bag nearby which had been left there since returning home from a night walk taking someone round some disused tunnels. Evidently the rat must have climbed in the bag whilst it had been left unattended trackside propping open a gate as is common practice, and remained there for the rest of the night. Experience says they won’t normally come near people. Returning more to topic, the infrastructure has generally behaved itself pretty well over the last few weeks. Very few major issues at all, no doubt some lines like the Vic are enjoying a welcome rest from the usual intense service. It really does feel like the 80s again. |
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Post by hobbayne on Apr 8, 2020 9:59:16 GMT
I noticed yesterday afternoon that some people are venturing out again. All I have picked up recently are teenagers in hoodies on bikes ( Who are now taking the opportunity to cover their faces in masks like everyone else) Builders and decorators in paint splattered trackies and general folk going happily about their business. One bloke had a go at me at Hainault because he had to wait 20 mins for a westbound train. I asked him if he was a key worker and if not, he should be at home. He told me to ****off!  |
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Post by Colin on Apr 8, 2020 10:12:56 GMT
I wish I could take photos of the on train CCTV and share them on here.........the east end of the District is still being heavily used with absolutely zero social distancing going on.
The platforms at Dagenham Heathway and East Ham have had to be marked out with 2 metre markers and we're having to non stop West Ham in the mornings to ease overcrowing on the station there.
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Post by superteacher on Apr 8, 2020 10:48:48 GMT
I wish I could take photos of the on train CCTV and share them on here.........the east end of the District is still being heavily used with absolutely zero social distancing going on. The platforms at Dagenham Heathway and East Ham have had to be marked out with 2 metre markers and we're having to non stop West Ham in the mornings to ease overcrowing on the station there. This is where we need stricter enforcement. Not necessarily from TFL staff, but get some police on these platforms. Maybe if the message gets out that people are being challenged, some will think twice before travelling. |
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Post by 35b on Apr 8, 2020 11:14:26 GMT
I wish I could take photos of the on train CCTV and share them on here.........the east end of the District is still being heavily used with absolutely zero social distancing going on. The platforms at Dagenham Heathway and East Ham have had to be marked out with 2 metre markers and we're having to non stop West Ham in the mornings to ease overcrowing on the station there. This is where we need stricter enforcement. Not necessarily from TFL staff, but get some police on these platforms. Maybe if the message gets out that people are being challenged, some will think twice before travelling. Or does that say something about where essential workers who need to travel live? |
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Post by superteacher on Apr 8, 2020 11:17:57 GMT
This is where we need stricter enforcement. Not necessarily from TFL staff, but get some police on these platforms. Maybe if the message gets out that people are being challenged, some will think twice before travelling. Or does that say something about where essential workers who need to travel live? Possibly to an extent, but there is still a hardcore element who are travelling against advice. |
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Post by North End on Apr 8, 2020 11:36:43 GMT
I noticed yesterday afternoon that some people are venturing out again. All I have picked up recently are teenagers in hoodies on bikes ( Who are now taking the opportunity to cover their faces in masks like everyone else) Builders and decorators in paint splattered trackies and general folk going happily about their business. One bloke had a go at me at Hainault because he had to wait 20 mins for a westbound train. I asked him if he was a key worker and if not, he should be at home. He told me to ****off! Thameslink is also now full of hoodies, mainly between south London and Finsbury Park or some of the inner stations on the Midland side. Agree about the loads and lack of distancing, I got the CCTV up for Colindale this morning and the platform was similar to a normal morning. No way are all these essential journeys. More enforcement is required for sure. It’s not a big public holiday, the best thing that can happen is a downturn in the weather. |
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Post by d7666 on Apr 8, 2020 12:49:52 GMT
S-stock - side effect - just an observation in commuting - me being essential staff and still daily commuting (although off peak both ways), S-stock ever increasing missing internal adverts.
Either contracts running out and adverts removed (and I do hope we, including contractors, are not wasting resource by actively removing them for that reason) or passively falling[?] out and not replaced ? One car yesterday barely 1/4 adverts present, rest blank spaces.
I'm lucky, I still have to come in, but can travel wholly flexibly, going completely off peak, so not running into social distancing issues. But, I know I'm fortunate in this respect, I'm not rostered as such to a hard rota.
Other than that, there are still persistent beggars on trains.
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Post by stapler on Apr 8, 2020 15:42:25 GMT
Seeing rats and mice scurrying around might creep-out some passengers! They are probably short of food, given the burger-munching masses are absent. What about the pigeons in Trafalgar Square? They must be famished, and will start disappearing (as when Private Walker was around...) |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Apr 8, 2020 18:14:15 GMT
I wish I could take photos of the on train CCTV and share them on here.........the east end of the District is still being heavily used with absolutely zero social distancing going on. The platforms at Dagenham Heathway and East Ham have had to be marked out with 2 metre markers and we're having to non stop West Ham in the mornings to ease overcrowing on the station there. This is where we need stricter enforcement. Not necessarily from TFL staff, but get some police on these platforms. Maybe if the message gets out that people are being challenged, some will think twice before travelling. The police have had to call up retired officers to fill the gaps, I imagine they have more than enough on their plates without the added burden of hanging around platforms. Given the shortage of station staff I suspect a lot of non-Section 12 stations are being left unstaffed so stricter enforcement isn't really feasible and consdiering the number of assaults on station staff at the east end of the District I doubt if there would be much enthusiasm even if there were enough staff. Some people have been suggesting we call in the army and they could do "key worker" checks at ticket barriers, except... 1) the list of key workers is pretty extensive and not everyone has ID that confirm who they work for or what job they do. 2) there are far too many interchanges where passengers can transfer onto the Tube without passing a ticket barrier like Stratford, Ealing Bwy, Barking, etc. |
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Post by crusty54 on Apr 8, 2020 18:38:06 GMT
Seeing rats and mice scurrying around might creep-out some passengers! They are probably short of food, given the burger-munching masses are absent. What about the pigeons in Trafalgar Square? They must be famished, and will start disappearing (as when Private Walker was around...) Feeding pigeons in Trafalgar Square has been banned since the Ken Livingstone years. Anyone doing it can be fined. There's plenty of electrical cables for rats and mice to chew. |
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Post by Chris M on Apr 8, 2020 19:44:31 GMT
They are probably short of food, given the burger-munching masses are absent. What about the pigeons in Trafalgar Square? They must be famished, and will start disappearing (as when Private Walker was around...) Feeding pigeons in Trafalgar Square has been banned since the Ken Livingstone years. Anyone doing it can be fined It's been illegal on teh TfL-controlled parts of the square since 2003, but it was still legal on the parts controlled by Westminster - most notably the North Terrace outside the National Gallery - until 2007. www.standard.co.uk/news/now-you-risk-500-fine-for-feeding-pigeons-anywhere-in-trafalgar-sq-6633916.html |
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Post by stapler on Apr 8, 2020 20:54:09 GMT
I thinkI've mentioned this on the forum before; when the old Westminster station was open to the sky, there was a pigeon feeding problem, and LT had posters printed: Please do not feed the pigeons on this station They are a nuisance, and they make a mess. And of course someone reqularly crossed out "pigeons" and inserted "MPs". |
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Post by tjw on Apr 9, 2020 11:21:44 GMT
1) the list of key workers is pretty extensive and not everyone has ID that confirm who they work for or what job they do. It is easy to forget how many workers are needed to keep a hospital functioning. I think many people assume that they only need doctors and nurses. We also need more than hospitals to keep functioning... |
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