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Post by ijmad on Feb 3, 2023 17:40:05 GMT
Agreed, though I wonder if CanaryWharf Group Plc will feel the same about that. T5 is British Airways after all.
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Post by goldenarrow on Feb 3, 2023 21:42:27 GMT
As always with major timetable recasts, it’s the spirit of compromise that gets the job done. Crossrail, especially the western section, is no exception. Interworking with Heathrow Express ensures connecting passengers to/from Canary Wharf on the Elizabeth line have no more than 10 min added for T5. With a 4tph direct link to three out of the four airport terminals plus the massively expanded catchment of the GWML, I’d say the Wharf Group is still getting their money’s worth
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Post by joshua on Feb 4, 2023 11:38:42 GMT
Why does Reading & Twyford only get 2tph of Elizabeth Line service?
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Post by ijmad on Feb 4, 2023 17:53:33 GMT
Because very few people coming from Reading want to sit on a Class 345 for an hour when they could sit on a Class 80X for 20 minutes
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Post by stapler on Feb 4, 2023 17:58:38 GMT
Especially if they might need a w.c.
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Post by joshua on Feb 4, 2023 18:09:39 GMT
Because very few people coming from Reading want to sit on a Class 345 for an hour when they could sit on a Class 80X for 20 minutes What about the people from Twyford? |
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Post by ijmad on Feb 4, 2023 18:43:25 GMT
The bi-hourly ex-Didcot GWR services stop at Twyford so you effectively get 4-5tph with a same platform change at Ealing Broadway if you want to go further than Paddington.
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Post by jimbo on Feb 5, 2023 4:27:13 GMT
The Elizabeth Line central tunnel has been open to through trains for three months now, and I wonder how demand is compared to expectations. During construction, many pundits forecast that demand would match capacity soon after opening. Of course, they did not foresee Covid and working from home. Even in the September 2020 TfL investment plan it was suggested that a 25% increased frequency would be needed in the years 2023 to 2028. “Relatively minor investment, focused on additional trains and stabling facilities, could increase this to a train running every two minutes. This could be combined with extending the central core of the route to serve the new HS2 hub at Old Oak Common.” link Is this still a possibility? |
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Post by silenthunter on Feb 5, 2023 15:18:54 GMT
What about the people from Twyford? The bi-hourly ex-Didcot GWR services stop at Twyford so you effectively get 4-5tph with a same platform change at Ealing Broadway if you want to go further than Paddington. And those also have a WC. |
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Post by stapler on Feb 5, 2023 16:57:23 GMT
Jimbo; a bit like the Central Line, I wonder if the Lizzie will not suffer from imbalance of demand between the Eastern and Western arms? With Reading being like the last few stations before West Ruislip?
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Post by ijmad on Feb 5, 2023 19:41:29 GMT
The Elizabeth Line central tunnel has been open to through trains for three months now, and I wonder how demand is compared to expectations. During construction, many pundits forecast that demand would match capacity soon after opening. Of course, they did not foresee Covid and working from home. Even in the September 2020 TfL investment plan it was suggested that a 25% increased frequency would be needed in the years 2023 to 2028. “Relatively minor investment, focused on additional trains and stabling facilities, could increase this to a train running every two minutes. This could be combined with extending the central core of the route to serve the new HS2 hub at Old Oak Common.” link Is this still a possibility? Significantly exceeding forecasts: ukdaily.news/london/passenger-numbers-on-the-elizabeth-line-exceed-forecasts-132511.htmlI can't find a link for this but I read that passenger numbers on the Central/Jubilee are not down by nearly as much as forecast either. The Liz seems to have generated new induced demand. Anecdotally I can attest to that. I've seen a friend of mine from Abbey Wood a couple of times since the Liz Line opened, more than I have seen of him for a long while, journeys for both of us that would probably have not been made at all were it not so easy now. And several people I know are now embracing the Liz for transport to Heathrow whereas before they would have driven or taken a taxi. As for Old Oak Common, it's currently under construction and will feature four Elizabeth Line platforms, with CBTC extended to it and its sidings. I believe there will be two islands, one in each direction with the ability to tip out and reverse in both centre platforms. I am sure that would be enough to reverse more trains per hour if a higher service frequency were needed. The biggest thing would be the need to procure more trains to support anything higher than just above the current peak frequency. |
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Post by Chris L on Feb 5, 2023 20:57:48 GMT
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Post by 35b on Feb 6, 2023 13:16:02 GMT
Because very few people coming from Reading want to sit on a Class 345 for an hour when they could sit on a Class 80X for 20 minutes What about the people from Twyford? A colleague from Wokingham is delighted by it and uses it in preference to her previous journey options. |
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Post by Tom on Feb 6, 2023 13:41:41 GMT
Because very few people coming from Reading want to sit on a Class 345 for an hour when they could sit on a Class 80X for 20 minutes What about the people from Twyford? They can still sit on a Class 387 for 45 minutes as they did pre-Elizabeth Line. There are at least two GWR trains per hour from Twyford to London. |
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Post by stapler on Feb 6, 2023 13:45:00 GMT
And of course, we believe everything we read in the "Standard", don't we? |
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Post by ijmad on Feb 6, 2023 14:39:13 GMT
And of course, we believe everything we read in the "Standard", don't we? The same has been reported by many newspapers and is source from TfL's own board meeting notes. |
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Post by jetblast787 on Feb 6, 2023 18:47:08 GMT
Anyone know why 9T62 was missing from the railway until it got to portobello? I was waiting at LST around 1654 and there were around 3 in a row on the screens to PAD ; RTT shows “N/R” until Portobello. The screens didn’t show any indication of the missing service either? |
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Post by brigham on Feb 7, 2023 9:37:59 GMT
Especially if they might need a w.c. A w.c. from Twyford, that is... |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 9, 2023 12:09:42 GMT
from the Head of Surface Engineering:
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Post by Chris L on Feb 11, 2023 10:43:50 GMT
I was surprised as I walked down an escalator at Liverpool Street yesterday to hear an announcement which began "Welcome to Moorgate station". Hardly helpful from a customer point of view.
Having worked at the station during construction I am well aware that the control room for the combined station is in the new Moorgate ticket hall. This is hardly a reason to start announcements like that.
Later I spoke to the station supervisor who told me it was a decision taken on high and that requests to change the policy had been ignored.
I have made a complaint through the usual channels.
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Post by spsmiler on Feb 11, 2023 13:06:42 GMT
Short of changing station name signs on the platforms and at street level, I cannot think of a worse way to confuse passengers
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Post by morello on Feb 13, 2023 20:24:22 GMT
I was surprised as I walked down an escalator at Liverpool Street yesterday to hear an announcement which began "Welcome to Moorgate station". Hardly helpful from a customer point of view. Having worked at the station during construction I am well aware that the control room for the combined station is in the new Moorgate ticket hall. This is hardly a reason to start announcements like that. Later I spoke to the station supervisor who told me it was a decision taken on high and that requests to change the policy had been ignored. I have made a complaint through the usual channels. Yeah, heard that too. They could at least say something like “Welcome to Moorgate and Liverpool st” |
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Post by silenthunter on Feb 13, 2023 20:35:33 GMT
Or a sign indicating you are now entering Moorgate. Same at Bank/Monument really.
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Post by Chris M on Feb 14, 2023 0:47:38 GMT
The relevant announcements at Bank and Monument all note they are "from the control room at Bank-Monument".
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Post by gigabit on Feb 15, 2023 15:45:06 GMT
Any update on 4G?
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Post by Chris L on Mar 1, 2023 10:54:51 GMT
I was surprised as I walked down an escalator at Liverpool Street yesterday to hear an announcement which began "Welcome to Moorgate station". Hardly helpful from a customer point of view. I have made a complaint through the usual channels. Not surprised that I have not received a reply to my complaint. Looks like I will have to take it to London Travelwatch. |
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Post by stapler on Mar 11, 2023 8:48:06 GMT
A quick observation on the "customer" traffic situation on the westbound Central/Liz line interchange at Stratford. There seems to me - and it may be rather unscientific - that there is just not space either side of the stairwell walls/ platform buildings to permit convenient/safe passenger circulation between the two lines and to accommodate the u-turns necessary to get to the staircases if you want other lines. Pax also have to congregate near the Liz line doorways, lest the 345 departs before they board.
On the eastbound, things are better, but what are really confusing to a visitor are the Liz line describer being over the Central platform - and the near invisibility of the Oyster validator...
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Post by Chris L on Mar 15, 2023 19:33:15 GMT
Sad to see somebody has come up with the idea of mucking around with the escalators at Canary Wharf in peak hours.
The flight at the west end of the station were all running in the up direction this evening peak.
This forces everyone entering the station at that end to walk to the middle flight and created serious congestion in the middle of the westbound platform.
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Post by jimbo on Mar 26, 2023 17:11:50 GMT
More than 120 million journeys have now been made on the Elizabeth line since the central section opened on 24 May last year. A total of 100 million journeys had been made on the line by 1 February, in less than nine months of operation, and a recent YouGov poll showed that nearly half of Londoners have used the Elizabeth line since it opened. Office of Rail and Road figures show that usage increased by 41 per cent between October and December 2022, meaning that one in six of all UK rail journeys was made on the Elizabeth line.
The Elizabeth line’s central operating section, between Paddington and Abbey Wood, will be closed from 7 to 10 April to enable the roll out of two software upgrades during the Easter weekend to fix minor software issues and remove 21 operational restrictions.
[TfL Commissioner’s report - March 2023]
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Post by spsmiler on Mar 26, 2023 17:39:18 GMT
Does this mean that the line is profitable?
Can this data be used to help justify other investments in London's railways - especially Crossrail 2 - as well as 'mini crossrails' in other British conurbations?
btw, the primary reason why I use this service as much as I do is 'speed'
A pleasant station ambience, air-conditioned trains and high-frequency service are nice to have but still count for very little next to the mere fact that the journeys within* Central London are so much faster and the fares are fully integrated / there is no surcharge for using this service.
Shorter station dwell times would be nice too.
*When on legacy metals outside of Central London there is little (if any) journey time benefit, indeed from what I've heard said elsewhere plus experienced from Ilford the Elizabeth line has affected some other services in undesirable ways. The Javelin service to St Pancras did something similar in south-east England.
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