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Post by ijmad on Oct 31, 2022 10:48:14 GMT
Is the same issue still present at Abbey Wood or has it been sorted there as well?
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Post by goldenarrow on Oct 31, 2022 11:58:49 GMT
The six validators for Abbey Wood should have been installed by now but I don't know whether they have been activated. The target was to have them all ready for 6 November.
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Post by Chris L on Oct 31, 2022 19:02:12 GMT
The six validators for Abbey Wood should have been installed by now but I don't know whether they have been activated. The target was to have them all ready for 6 November. Not been installed yet.
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Post by Chris M on Oct 31, 2022 20:05:40 GMT
I Interchanged between paper ticket and oyster at Abbey Wood this afternoon, and there were no validators in sight.
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Post by jukes on Oct 31, 2022 21:42:40 GMT
Only two validators at Farringdon. I didn't notice any very visible signage. There is also an interchange lift. I have not yet had a chance to see if a validator has been placed for it's users.
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Post by d7666 on Oct 31, 2022 23:40:01 GMT
Only two validators at Farringdon. I didn't notice any very visible signage. There is also an interchange lift. I have not yet had a chance to see if a validator has been placed for it's users. Much this could be fixed by having on train validators like boarding a bus. Farringdon is now a major three route interchange, all with complete wide through gangway stock (345 700 S) trains - but by services that are leaky in terms how travel could be fiddled through unmanned / ungated stations. These days one validator per car is peanuts in the grand scale of things - quantity of 345 + 700 + S cars (3173) notwithstanding; or one every alternate car then ~1600 or so. OK that quantity of validators is OTT compared with having a few at strategic locations within Farringdon platforms if, but only if, you consider Farringdon only - but they'd be available the full length of the routes.
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Post by ijmad on Nov 1, 2022 11:19:40 GMT
I have a feeling that retrofit across the 1,140 carriages of the Class 700 fleet and the 630 carriages of the Class 345 fleet would be a larger job than installing a half dozen validators at Farringdon and Abbey Wood...
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Post by spsmiler on Nov 6, 2022 13:23:15 GMT
Trains are now running through from the GWML and the GEML to the new tunnelled section.
I am planning a site visit this afternoon!
Earlier this afternoon I went to see for myself.
As my westbound Central line train arrived at Stratford I saw that a westbound Elizabeth line train was on the other side of the cross platform interchange, but to my dismay the train's doors were closed. To my eyes it looked like the driver had invoked the age old canard of waiting for the other train to arrive before closing its doors and starting to depart (ie: so that arriving passengers had to wait for the next train). At least that 'next train' was scheduled to be less than 10 minutes away - in the past on winter Sundays it would be a 30 minute wait! (This issue was very easily remediated in the days of slam door trains)
But something then went wrong with the train at platform 5 and to cut a long story short it did reopen its doors and waiting passengers were able to board it - only to be informed that the train 'had a problem' (my words) and would not be entering the tunnels. Instead it was being diverted to the surface Liverpool Street station.
Happily after a short wait the next (late running) train arrived and mere minutes later I was at Whitechapel. It was so seamless.
At Whitechapel I tried to film (video) the scrolling route map about the platform doors. I am not sure it worked - the scrolling text blurs.
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Post by jamesb on Nov 6, 2022 18:54:16 GMT
I had a similar experience at Stratford, on a Paddington bound train.
The train seemed to wait for a while and the driver announced that there was a problem switching over to the new signalling system. He then said that we would pull up to the next signal and try to switch over to the new system again, but that if it wasn't successful, we would be diverted to Liverpool St mainline platform.
So we left the platform and waited for a minute just outside the station. Thankfully, the switch was successful and we continued to Whitechapel.
Just teething problems hopefully!
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Post by ijmad on Nov 6, 2022 20:32:13 GMT
Something similar happened to the train I was on between Acton Main Line and Paddington - when we reached the CBTC boundary, the train halted and the driver announced he was waiting for the signalling system to recognise his train. We proceeded on again shortly after that but given this is supposed to take place at line speed it seems they may still have a few gremlins to resolve with the signalling switchovers.
Hope this won't have too big an impact on workings in the coming weekdays.
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Post by d7666 on Nov 6, 2022 23:48:27 GMT
Something similar happened to the train I was on between Acton Main Line and Paddington - when we reached the CBTC boundary, the train halted and the driver announced he was waiting for the signalling system to recognise his train. We proceeded on again shortly after that but given this is supposed to take place at line speed it seems they may still have a few gremlins to resolve with the signalling switchovers. Welcome to the world of CBTC.
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Post by pbin on Nov 7, 2022 0:07:01 GMT
I was at Bond Street today and noticed that on the westbound platform, the PIDS above door 7 intermittently showed eastbound trains, switching back to the correct westbound trains a few seconds later. Although only this display was doing it. It also showed the “Train Departing - Stand Back” message 30 seconds or so after the other displays did. Weird. Does this happen occasionally?
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Post by Deep Level on Nov 7, 2022 8:53:37 GMT
I had a similar experience at Stratford, on a Paddington bound train. The train seemed to wait for a while and the driver announced that there was a problem switching over to the new signalling system. He then said that we would pull up to the next signal and try to switch over to the new system again, but that if it wasn't successful, we would be diverted to Liverpool St mainline platform. So we left the platform and waited for a minute just outside the station. Thankfully, the switch was successful and we continued to Whitechapel. Just teething problems hopefully! My experience this morning was similar to this but after a 10 minute wait we unfortunately did divert into Liv St Mainline, I even left early this morning to not end up on one of the Liv St terminators (which will normally be my quickest route to work) so that was rather annoying. I guess we try again tomorrow 😂. I will still return via the core platforms today. Edit: The train announced that we'd arrived at Whitechapel when we arrived at Liv St Mainline.
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Post by Deep Level on Nov 8, 2022 8:46:31 GMT
Apologies for the double post but I wanted to share that the exact same thing has happened for a second day in a row, I think tomorrow I'll get an even earlier train and hopefully finally get to experience some westbound through running (I did come home via the core yesterday evening).
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Post by spsmiler on Nov 8, 2022 22:11:05 GMT
It does seem that the switchover to CBTC could possibly be a weak link in the operations of our new railway service.
I wonder though ... I do not have access to official data, neither am I involved professionally. So I do not know if these incidents really are isolated (or 'too common' for comfort) and also I do not have access to comparative data relating to SSR* trains switching between human driven and computer driven train control systems.
*Nor what happened on the Central, Northern or Jubilee lines when they were being converted to computer controlled train driver.
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Post by pbin on Nov 9, 2022 1:40:47 GMT
It does seem that the switchover to CBTC could possibly be a weak link in the operations of our new railway service. I wonder though ... I do not have access to official data, neither am I involved professionally. So I do not know if these incidents really are isolated (or 'too common' for comfort) and also I do not have access to comparative data relating to SSR* trains switching between human driven and computer driven train control systems. *Nor what happened on the Central, Northern or Jubilee lines when they were being converted to computer controlled train driver. Though this is more anecdotal, I haven’t noticed any issues when travelling on a District line train switching signalling systems at Fulham Broadway — but this isn’t done at line speed so if it takes longer than expected no passengers would really realise since it’s done when the train is not moving (I guess). Given that this has happened on a few occasions everyday on the Elizabeth line, it does seem that it’s ‘too common’ for comfort.
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Post by Deep Level on Nov 9, 2022 8:14:53 GMT
My question would be how come this only become a problem now, it surely wasn't happening regularly before they opened the line or surely they wouldn't have deemed it ready. I remember this being an issue earlier on during testing but I thought it was claimed to have been fixed.
I'm sure it's fixable but it's just a shame really, it's certainly causing a lot of delays.
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Post by su31 on Nov 9, 2022 15:51:07 GMT
I was on 9Y75 (345050), the 12:34 from Harold Wood earlier today, hoping to get to Tottenham Court Road. Admittedly, I was wearing headphones so didn't hear any announcements but there was a delay departing Stratford and we sailed past the tunnel portal, with the train still showing next station Whitechapel, and destination Paddington on the PIS. I was annoyed as I had already walked to car 9 for my easy interchange at TCR so had to walk to the front when we pulled into Liverpool Street platform 16. Interestingly, I saw, as I walked along the platform, a number of people still sitting on the train, probably expecting the train to (somehow) continue its journey to Paddington.
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Post by Deep Level on Nov 9, 2022 18:38:13 GMT
Absolute nightmare on my way home today, I was on the 17:35 out of Liv St Mainline (which was running on time but only calling at Stratford, Ilford, Romford and Gidea Park - I don't believe this is normally supposed to be fast but it's my first time getting it so could be wrong) and on the approach to Stratford it just so happened that the train ahead which had come from the core broke down in the platform, as we had already passed the crossover to the fasts this resulted in our eastbound train being diverted into platform 5 (westbound platform). The board was showing that the next few eastbound trains would also be diverted via platform 5. Looking at the signalling diagram it's only just occured to me that due to the portal's positioning EL trains no longer have the option to cross on to the fasts if needed as there's no crossover between the portal and Stratford Station.
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Post by Chris L on Nov 9, 2022 19:10:18 GMT
Terrible driver announcements on a westbound train at Canary Wharf and Whitechapel this lunchtime.
At Canary Wharf he announced that anyone going to the London Stadium should alight at the next station. No afternoon events.
At Whitechapel he announced that this train is going west. If you want to go east towards Stratford and Shenfield alight here and wait for the appropriate train. No mention of changing platform. Lots of very confused people.
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Post by routew15 on Nov 9, 2022 19:27:03 GMT
If they did cross over to the Eastbound platform at Whitechapel the Passenger Information Screens would tell them that the next station for a Shenfield train is Canary Wharf. They have had this glitch/error for the past two days.
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Post by Chris L on Nov 9, 2022 19:35:30 GMT
Another problem with the screens is the very thin line through the station name where the train will not be calling. It's hardly visible.
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Post by spsmiler on Nov 9, 2022 20:28:07 GMT
It sounds like we now have ourselves a real railway - the shadow service honeymoon is over.
I went to Hayes and Harlington today, changing at Whitechapel to a Maidenhead train that had come from Abbey Wood.
I experienced many delays on the GW section, starting from a wait for our slot in the system immediately on leaving the tunnel portal and then being delayed by late running trains. Yts according to the electronic information displays at Hayes and Harlington the train I was on was running 'on time'.
Also today I visited both tunnel portals - one that is a short walk from Royal Oak station (where I saw an eastbound LU train only going as far as Edgware Road) and one that is alongside Pudding Mill Lane DLR station.
The west London portal is alongside the ramp down to the flyunder below the GWML that the GWR built for Metropolitan Rly trains to reach Westbourne Park and the route to Hammersmith. But whereas the older ramp is at grade at the east and is below grade as its west the Crossrail ramp is the other way around.
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Post by Deep Level on Nov 10, 2022 8:45:30 GMT
Another one from me!
My train this morning was diagnosed with a train fault and was changed to a Liverpool Street service before it even got to my station. It was running two minutes late but I'm curious as to how the fault was identified before reaching Stratford, I can only assume that it has been identified as a consistently problematic unit. This makes me question whether the issue is more with certain units and less so the signalling system itself.
Here's the thing though, the automated platform announcement announced the following (I've shortened it where it isn't relevant): "The next train... service to London Liverpool Street, calling at...and London Liverpool Street...this train will not be calling at Whitechapel, Liverpool Street, Farringdon...this is due to a fault with this train" so the system automatically announces the train would not call at Liverpool Street despite being the destination, I can only assume that its programmed in as a separate station entirely.
The train then appeared to change it's own destination back to Paddington as we arrived into Stratford to which then the driver followed up with this corker: "This train is going all stations to Liverpool Street, well not all stations because the next stop will be Liverpool Street. If you need all stations to Paddington change here for the Central Line or change at Liverpool Street for a National Rail service".
Tomorrow I actually have to travel through the core so let's see what tomorrow brings us!
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Post by t697 on Nov 10, 2022 11:41:22 GMT
On S stock there is monitoring and indication of on-board ATC faults whilst in the tripcock areas. I'd be surprised if class 345 didn't have an equivalent for its ATC used in the Central EL area.
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Post by elshad on Nov 10, 2022 18:11:31 GMT
Overheard on ITV London just now re strikes: “Every single underground line was shut except for the Elizabeth line”.
Aware that some are tired of the Crossrail/Elizabeth line naming debate but this is clearly a glaring issue with the current name.
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Post by Deep Level on Nov 10, 2022 21:24:53 GMT
Overheard on ITV London just now re strikes: “Every single underground line was shut except for the Elizabeth line”. Aware that some are tired of the Crossrail/Elizabeth line naming debate but this is clearly a glaring issue with the current name. You wouldn't believe how many people in my office who live on the Elizabeth Line didn't come in to work because they genuinely thought the Elizabeth Line wouldn't be running. And then there's the people who come in from other areas not using tube lines who questioned how I managed to get in when there's no Elizabeth Line due to the strikes.
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Post by spsmiler on Nov 13, 2022 12:04:49 GMT
On the topic of Elizabeth line trains which travel on the Great Western and Great Eastern Main Lines travelling through the central London tunnels, its taken me a week to accomplish this but I have now completed a YouTube film showing this.
Almost 10 minutes long (and that is after I deleted some scenes!) the film visits both tunnel portals and more. It also includes some of the alternative services which still travel into the central London terminus stations (Paddington, Liverpool Street).
Mostly filmed in November 2022 but with a few earlier scenes
Enjoy, Simon
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Post by melikepie on Nov 15, 2022 15:13:20 GMT
Why do hardly any videos mention that the Nov 6th opening meant trains were now running on Sundays for the first time? Jago has it but in Geoff's video there is only a couple of sentences
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Post by goldenarrow on Nov 15, 2022 17:41:35 GMT
You’d be surprised how many “facts” get lost in research amid the tide of information (of varying degrees of quality) that gets pumped out. As is usually the case with big news relating to UK transport, there is a lot of recycled information going around which has the side effect of watering down a lot of the details
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