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Post by andypurk on May 6, 2022 9:16:03 GMT
I believe the current peak frequency on TfL Rail East is 10tph so this would make sense if all are getting diverted to the core. I assume that the peak time only 4tph Liv St to Gidea Park services will start at the same time but we'll see I guess. I wouldn't be so sure! The Elizabeth Line Committee on 15 July 2021 learnt the revised plan to integrate both eastern and western branches into the central area service at the same time. Then after six months the full planned Crossrail services would be introduced, providing through working between branches to planned schedule. This change was said to create flexibility to introduce the initial integration stage outside of a National Rail timetable change.
But surely the extended run through the central tunnel would mean that trains would need to pass themselves returning around Tottenham Court Road! Would this be a service reformation each day? Perhaps the initial E.Line through timetable will require train renumbering at the current terminals, allowing the extended service to later pick up its scheduled National Rail working upon surfacing? But without the additional 4tph shuttle to Liverpool Street main line station, how will staff maintain their route knowledge? Except Crossrail uses National Rail train numbering, which doesn't keep the same service number throughout the day. So, at the moment, a 9Yxx (where xx is an odd number) service arrives at Paddington, changes to a 3Yxx empty service to Westbourne Park CS. The train then reverses and forms the 3Uxy (xy being an even number ~7 more than the xx) back to Paddington becoming the 9Uxy service to Abbey Wood. The last two digits are reused during the day as there are >50 services through the core each day. Integration of the services currently running outside the core will need a new set of diagrams as to which train forms which service (so a particular diagram is similar to an Underground train number), but all the train numbers themselves will change from the existing series to a fresh set combining either the Abbey Wood to Paddington or Shenfield - Liverpool Street series with the corresponding Paddington to Heathrow / Reading / Westbourne Park series. I would imagine that these will keep the '9' first digit used for 'special' trains to indicate that they will be running through the core tunnels. |
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Post by goldenarrow on May 6, 2022 9:26:40 GMT
The latest project update:
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Post by Dom K on May 6, 2022 10:59:45 GMT
I have amended the title of the thread to show the opening date so as not to confuse anyone. Thanks[\color=green]
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Post by jimbo on May 6, 2022 21:10:57 GMT
Amusing signage at 1:37!
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Post by Chris L on May 6, 2022 21:19:51 GMT
Something similar on the DLR south of Canning Town on the DLR. |
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Post by spsmiler on May 6, 2022 22:46:29 GMT
I believe the current peak frequency on TfL Rail East is 10tph so this would make sense if all are getting diverted to the core. I assume that the peak time only 4tph Liv St to Gidea Park services will start at the same time but we'll see I guess. really, as low as 10tph? I feel sure that it is higher |
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Post by Deep Level on May 6, 2022 23:11:55 GMT
I believe the current peak frequency on TfL Rail East is 10tph so this would make sense if all are getting diverted to the core. I assume that the peak time only 4tph Liv St to Gidea Park services will start at the same time but we'll see I guess. really, as low as 10tph? I feel sure that it is higher They appear to be every 7/8 minutes when I get my train in the morning peak although I did forget that they're every 5 minutes on my way home in the evening peak which I do find odd but seems to work. So that would be 9tph in the morning peak, 12tph in the evening peak. |
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Post by spsmiler on May 6, 2022 23:56:43 GMT
Geoff Marshall has created this map which shows the service when the central core opens In case the tweet does not show, try this (to make it work close the gap) twitter.com/geofftech/status/ 1522185837814943744 this message edited on 10th May 2022 - alas it looks like the tweet has been deleted. |
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Post by croxleyn on May 7, 2022 16:08:01 GMT
Jimbo's reply: Perhaps the initial E.Line through timetable will require train renumbering at the current terminals, allowing the extended service to later pick up its scheduled National Rail working upon surfacing? But without the additional 4tph shuttle to Liverpool Street main line station, how will staff maintain their route knowledge? E.Line... Now that's an abbreviation I could certainly use |
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Post by spsmiler on May 10, 2022 10:33:54 GMT
Works progressing at Ilford station (see tweet with photos) twitter.com/citytransportin/ status/1523791289501716480 I do not know when it will be opening. |
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Post by spsmiler on May 10, 2022 11:10:23 GMT
Whilst following a Lizzie line thread on Twitter I found this: twitter.com/RobertHellierDJ/ status/1521808396525125635 This is a reply... Its a pity that the GWR's do not call at somewhere like Hayes & Harlington or (even better) Ealing Broadway, for interchange purposes. ------------------------------------ I can also complain because at one time Ilford had non-stop off-peak services to Liverpool Street taking about 12 minutes plus trains also calling at Stratford taking a minute or so more, whereas nowadays all trains call at all stations, which will soon increase from 4 to 5 stations (Whitechapel being a new stop). For me the real advantage of the new service will only be realised if going to Tottenham Court Road or beyond |
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Post by Chris L on May 10, 2022 11:25:02 GMT
Its a pity that the GWR's do not call at somewhere like Hayes & Harlington or (even better) Ealing Broadway, for interchange purposes. ------------------------------------ Some GWR services do stop at Ealing Broadway and Hayes & Harlington. |
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Post by Tom on May 10, 2022 22:10:27 GMT
Indeeed, there are two off-peak trains per hour operated by GWR which call at Ealing Broadway, Hayes and Harlington, West Drayton, Slough, Maidenhead, Twyford, Reading and stations to Didcot Parkway.
Between that and the TfL Rail service, which calls at Ealing Broadway, Southall, and all stations to Reading, there a 4tph service on the relief lines between the larger stations.
During the peaks there are additional TfL Rail services which call only at Ealing Broadway, West Drayton Slough, Burnham, Maidenhead, Twyford and Reading which are a useful infill, particularly on the London to Burnham section.
Someone travelling between Reading and London has three choices - fast via GWR, slow via TfL Rail, or very slow to Waterloo with SWR. This has been the case for many years - nothing has changed. I don't see what the second Tweet is complaining about, to be honest.
I have to admit that when TfL Rail took over the Thames Valley suburban services I initially preferred GWR. However, I'm no longer of that opinion.
Nine cars with three doors per car mean that boarding times are reduced, the trains accelerate faster, maybe not faster than a 378 but certainly faster than a 165 or 166 ever did, and I can regularly be walking down the path at Acton Town 30 minutes after getting on a TfL Rail train at Slough - almost unheard of ten years ago.
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Post by brigham on May 11, 2022 7:33:21 GMT
I think the second 'tweet' (whatever that is) was expecting an improved service, with all the investment, publicity and that...
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Post by Chris L on May 11, 2022 7:47:17 GMT
I think the second 'tweet' (whatever that is) was expecting an improved service, with all the investment, publicity and that... As Tom says it is a better service. I had a year of travelling between Paddington and Hayes & Harlington on three car trains. |
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Post by Deep Level on May 11, 2022 16:32:53 GMT
A couple of purple observations:
1) Stratford platform signage now has purple lines instead of blue
2) My train this morning (was supposed to get the number as I got off but totally forgot) was sporting Elizabeth Line roundels on the outside however the line maps inside were still very much TfL Rail branded for the time being.
One gripe I do have are the next train displays at the TfL Rail East stations. They're not on at Ilford or Manor Park yet but they look the same as the displays at Forest Gate which have been on for a couple of months now and it bugs me that we're still using orange dot matrix displays, especially when Custom House got nice and easy to read white dot matrix displays. It seems odd that the same displays weren't installed across all of the refurbished stations. Personally I think the Thameslink LED screens are amazing and it seems odd that these aren't used in more places.
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Post by Chris L on May 11, 2022 22:40:22 GMT
A couple of purple observations: 1) Stratford platform signage now has purple lines instead of blue 2) My train this morning (was supposed to get the number as I got off but totally forgot) was sporting Elizabeth Line roundels on the outside however the line maps inside were still very much TfL Rail branded for the time being. One gripe I do have are the next train displays at the TfL Rail East stations. They're not on at Ilford or Manor Park yet but they look the same as the displays at Forest Gate which have been on for a couple of months now and it bugs me that we're still using orange dot matrix displays, especially when Custom House got nice and easy to read white dot matrix displays. It seems odd that the same displays weren't installed across all of the refurbished stations. Personally I think the Thameslink LED screens are amazing and it seems odd that these aren't used in more places. Orange is the cheap option. Some colour blind people can't actually read them. Still the Network Rail standard. The white Thameslink ones were specified by them. |
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Post by Deep Level on May 12, 2022 6:51:47 GMT
A couple of purple observations: 1) Stratford platform signage now has purple lines instead of blue 2) My train this morning (was supposed to get the number as I got off but totally forgot) was sporting Elizabeth Line roundels on the outside however the line maps inside were still very much TfL Rail branded for the time being. One gripe I do have are the next train displays at the TfL Rail East stations. They're not on at Ilford or Manor Park yet but they look the same as the displays at Forest Gate which have been on for a couple of months now and it bugs me that we're still using orange dot matrix displays, especially when Custom House got nice and easy to read white dot matrix displays. It seems odd that the same displays weren't installed across all of the refurbished stations. Personally I think the Thameslink LED screens are amazing and it seems odd that these aren't used in more places. Orange is the cheap option. Some colour blind people can't actually read them. Still the Network Rail standard. The white Thameslink ones were specified by them. I just find it odd that a white dot matrix was used at Custom House and none of the refurbished stations that got new displays (as far as I know, someone may correct me there). |
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 12, 2022 15:31:46 GMT
BBC Breakfast (BBC One TV) will be live from Liverpool Street station tomorrow Fri 13 May, with slots at approx-0620 and at approx-0830 an interview with TfL Commissioner Andy Byford.
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Post by Chris L on May 12, 2022 16:03:33 GMT
Orange is the cheap option. Some colour blind people can't actually read them. Still the Network Rail standard. The white Thameslink ones were specified by them. I just find it odd that a white dot matrix was used at Custom House and none of the refurbished stations that got new displays (as far as I know, someone may correct me there). Custom House is a new station. Refurbishment of stations was to Network Rail standards. |
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Post by grumpycat on May 12, 2022 22:54:37 GMT
Where is the first train starting from on the opening day and at what time?
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 13, 2022 3:36:45 GMT
Where is the first train starting from on the opening day and at what time? First passenger trains: westbound from Abbey Wood 0630 eastbound from Paddington 0633 |
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Post by Deep Level on May 13, 2022 6:08:19 GMT
It appears that all of the 345s (or the ones I've seen at least) now have the purple roundels, I'm really not sure why they have such a thick white boarder around them.
Also I noticed that there is absolutely no Elizabeth line signage on the platforms at Barbican (can't speak for the ticket hall), was it decided to not show Barbican as an interchange given that the interchange is simply one lift on the WB platform? Perhaps they'll show a dotted line connection on the tube map instead?
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Post by Chris L on May 13, 2022 6:42:16 GMT
It appears that all of the 345s (or the ones I've seen at least) now have the purple roundels, I'm really not sure why they have such a thick white boarder around them. Also I noticed that there is absolutely no Elizabeth line signage on the platforms at Barbican (can't speak for the ticket hall), was it decided to not show Barbican as an interchange given that the interchange is simply one lift on the WB platform? Perhaps they'll show a dotted line connection on the tube map instead? There is a poorly positioned sign in front of the lift. The "Smithfield" entrance to Farringdon is a short walk down the road. |
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Post by Chris L on May 13, 2022 7:57:31 GMT
The Office of Rail and Road has given final approval for opening on the 24th.
All stations except Bond Street approved as well as the tracks and tunnels.
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Post by t697 on May 13, 2022 15:37:48 GMT
I noticed that there is absolutely no Elizabeth line signage on the platforms at Barbican (can't speak for the ticket hall), was it decided to not show Barbican as an interchange given that the interchange is simply one lift on the WB platform? Perhaps they'll show a dotted line connection on the tube map instead? Almost certainly that reason. Instructions for S stock CIS were not to 'promote' the interchange at Barbican. EL will be in both the Moorgate and Liverpool Street interchange announcements though as well as Farringdon of course. |
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Post by Deep Level on May 17, 2022 5:36:44 GMT
I've just come across this:
I can't help but wonder why T5 trains skip T2/3, I know T2/3 gets 6tph but seems like an odd decision to deny T2/3 an additional 2tph when these trains have to pass through the station anyway.
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Post by nig on May 17, 2022 6:42:24 GMT
I've just come across this: I can't help but wonder why T5 trains skip T2/3, I know T2/3 gets 6tph but seems like an odd decision to deny T2/3 an additional 2tph when these trains have to pass through the station anyway. That map is wrong if you look on proper one from tfl website it's has the t4 and t5 trains stopping at Heathrow 2 and 3 |
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Post by Chris L on May 17, 2022 8:15:30 GMT
Prince Edward doing the Royal Opening today. Unveiling a plaque at Paddington and riding to Tottenham Court Road.
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Post by brigham on May 17, 2022 8:18:33 GMT
Prince Edward doing the Royal Opening today. Unveiling a plaque at Paddington and riding to Tottenham Court Road. Just goes to show that saga has gone on so long, it's dropped well below top billing. |
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