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Post by Chris L on Apr 30, 2022 10:36:44 GMT
It always takes a while to update all the in-car maps. I have an extremely vague memory of this being discussed on this forum a few years ago but I can't immediately find the old thread. I think it was stated that it typically takes 1-2 weeks for a fleet the size of the Central line, but occasionally trains get missed (I think it was someone seeing such a train that sparked that old thread). You are correct - there are still one or two units which have the old Olympic in car diagram (Marble Arch station being an example, having a pink square above it with it referencing it is near to Hyde Park) Many years ago I managed a contract to install the penalty fares signage in the trains. 90% of the trains were simple to find. Working with Depot Engineers we managed to track down when most of the rest would be in a depot. However, they didn't always appear as expected and the final few proved very elusive. Things were much easier in the days when depots had craftsmen painters who installed all the graphics in trains. |
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Post by rsdworker on Apr 30, 2022 19:43:49 GMT
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Post by Deep Level on Apr 30, 2022 19:56:47 GMT
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Post by MoreToJack on Apr 30, 2022 22:45:30 GMT
It always takes a while to update all the in-car maps. I have an extremely vague memory of this being discussed on this forum a few years ago but I can't immediately find the old thread. I think it was stated that it typically takes 1-2 weeks for a fleet the size of the Central line, but occasionally trains get missed (I think it was someone seeing such a train that sparked that old thread). You are correct - there are still one or two units which have the old Olympic in car diagram (Marble Arch station being an example, having a pink square above it with it referencing it is near to Hyde Park) As recently as about 2018 there was still one car running around with an Ongar map... |
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Post by spsmiler on Apr 30, 2022 22:59:22 GMT
You are correct - there are still one or two units which have the old Olympic in car diagram (Marble Arch station being an example, having a pink square above it with it referencing it is near to Hyde Park) As recently as about 2018 there was still one car running around with an Ongar map... what a pity the same car cannot have Olympic signage, Ongar and Elizabeth line! btw, I noted the updated Totem Pole at Stratford in the Daily Mail article. I wonder if this has also been replaced...  ...this is located by the station entrance close to the Totem Pole and Marks & Spencer |
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Post by xtmw on May 1, 2022 0:39:06 GMT
You are correct - there are still one or two units which have the old Olympic in car diagram (Marble Arch station being an example, having a pink square above it with it referencing it is near to Hyde Park) As recently as about 2018 there was still one car running around with an Ongar map... In around 2021 I ran into a unit with an Ongar map on it. It half of it was ripped off though but I'm sure I have a photo somewhere! |
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Post by Chris L on May 1, 2022 8:46:17 GMT
As recently as about 2018 there was still one car running around with an Ongar map... In around 2021 I ran into a unit with an Ongar map on it. It half of it was ripped off though but I'm sure I have a photo somewhere! The first laminated maps used removable adhesive so that they were stripped off before the next map was applied. Now that contractors do the work the new maps tend to be stuck over the old ones. This is why you see old maps in trains when diagrams are taken as souvenirs. |
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Post by silenthunter on May 1, 2022 11:15:04 GMT
The Citymapper app is now showing Elizabeth Line routings in a special section called "The Future".
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Post by xtmw on May 2, 2022 13:30:06 GMT
The Citymapper app is now showing Elizabeth Line routings in a special section called "The Future". Trainline has all the stations but with 'Xrail' at the end. Eg, 'Bond Street Xrail' |
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Post by Chris L on May 2, 2022 16:42:15 GMT
A 20 trains per hour service was run successfully on Sunday for the first time. This included trains to/from the western side.
Quite an achievement.
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Post by jimbo on May 3, 2022 4:50:07 GMT
Do they still plan to operate 24tph when through services commence later in the year? Will they achieve that before public services commence in the tunnel section?
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Post by Chris L on May 3, 2022 8:11:55 GMT
Do they still plan to operate 24tph when through services commence later in the year? Will they achieve that before public services commence in the tunnel section? No because the initial service is only between Abbey Wood and Paddington with a train every 5 minutes. This is currently running in trial operations. |
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Post by goldenarrow on May 3, 2022 15:57:52 GMT
A 20 trains per hour service was run successfully on Sunday for the first time. This included trains to/from the western side. Quite an achievement. Comprised of 8 overlapping service patterns: 4tph Abbey Wood - Old Oak Common 4tph Abbey Wood - West Ealing Loop 3tph Abbey Wood - Westbourne Park Sidings 1tph Abbey Wood - Hayes & Harlington (Bay) 4tph Stratford - Westbourne Park Sidings 3tph Ilford - Westbourne Park Sidings 1tph Ilford - Hayes & Harlington (Bay) |
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Post by jimbo on May 3, 2022 20:59:58 GMT
Does such inter-working with the main lines either side mean that this trial running can only be done on Sundays when other services leave more room? That leaves less opportunities before the core opens!
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Post by goldenarrow on May 3, 2022 22:20:45 GMT
Does such inter-working with the main lines either side mean that this trial running can only be done on Sundays when other services leave more room? That leaves less opportunities before the core opens! Almost always the case for high-frequency testing. East & West passenger services need to be thinned for physical track capacity plus affording the sheer number of units needed. Cross-collaboration with longer distance operators also mean Sundays are a natural fit. Whilst clearly a factor, future high-frequency tests (19 June & 17 July) have been planned irrespective of wether the core has opened to passenger service whenever that time comes. |
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Post by altanader on May 4, 2022 8:50:13 GMT
Opening 24th May!
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Post by will on May 4, 2022 8:51:12 GMT
May 24th opening - subject to final testing an approval!!!
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Post by goldenarrow on May 4, 2022 10:02:48 GMT
Worth noting that core services will only operate Monday - Saturday initially to enable preparatory works (primarily software driven) to continue for when services are integrated from East & West. Sunday service will operate over the Platinum Jubilee weekend.
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Post by castlebar on May 4, 2022 10:23:17 GMT
What does "West Ealing Loop" mean above please?
There is no "loop" at West Ealing, but there is a triangular junction.
I'm confused
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Post by goldenarrow on May 4, 2022 10:26:39 GMT
What does "West Ealing Loop" mean above please? The carriage sidings that are between the Plasser UK works and the Relief lines. |
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Post by castlebar on May 4, 2022 11:21:09 GMT
So not a loop as in Hainault loop or Heathrow loop
You are referring to what were known as Hanwell sidings
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Post by quex on May 4, 2022 11:32:57 GMT
As they are accessible at both ends, they are loops in the sense of passing loops or goods loops.
Good news about the opening, I wonder how busy it will be.
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Post by jimbo on May 4, 2022 11:50:17 GMT
Does such inter-working with the main lines either side mean that this trial running can only be done on Sundays when other services leave more room? That leaves less opportunities before the core opens! Almost always the case for high-frequency testing. East & West passenger services need to be thinned for physical track capacity plus affording the sheer number of units needed. Cross-collaboration with longer distance operators also mean Sundays are a natural fit. Whilst clearly a factor, future high-frequency tests (19 June & 17 July) have been planned irrespective of wether the core has opened to passenger service whenever that time comes. |
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Post by jimbo on May 5, 2022 1:18:13 GMT
Do they still plan to operate 24tph when through services commence later in the year? Will they achieve that before public services commence in the tunnel section? TfL press release says start up with 12tph in core, growing to 22tph in autumn. Perhaps 24tph of original plan when full integration of services after a year? Trial of more dense services will be on Sunday closure days. I wonder will Bond Street opening be tied in with introduction of through services in 3 months with new map? |
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Post by Deep Level on May 5, 2022 6:56:11 GMT
Do they still plan to operate 24tph when through services commence later in the year? Will they achieve that before public services commence in the tunnel section? TfL press release says start up with 12tph in core, growing to 22tph in autumn. Perhaps 24tph of original plan when full integration of services after a year? Trial of more dense services will be on Sunday closure days. I wonder will Bond Street opening be tied in with introduction of through services in 3 months with new map? I believe the current peak frequency on TfL Rail East is 10tph so this would make sense if all are getting diverted to the core. I assume that the peak time only 4tph Liv St to Gidea Park services will start at the same time but we'll see I guess. |
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Post by trt on May 5, 2022 10:40:18 GMT
As they say this is "a new mode", does anyone know if there's any staff / nominee pass validity on the services? Even if it's just to nose around the trains / stations when it's finally open.
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 5, 2022 10:58:28 GMT
As they say this is "a new mode", does anyone know if there's any staff / nominee pass validity on the services? Even if it's just to nose around the trains / stations when it's finally open. Staff and Nominee passes are valid on the whole route (as now with TfL Rail), however ticket gates at Shenfield and Reading will not open and gateline staff assistance must be sought |
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Post by towerman on May 5, 2022 21:00:06 GMT
Some are complaining that Sadiq Khan shouldn’t have made an announcement about the opening due to “purdah” before the local elections.
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Post by jukes on May 5, 2022 21:28:27 GMT
The TfL statement was approved by DfT before it was issued. Later the same day Grant Shapps issued a tweet in his role as SofS Transport with an Elizabeth line graphic containing a Conservative party tagline and claiming 'tory glory' for funding and bringing the Elizabeth line to all.
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Post by jimbo on May 6, 2022 7:40:08 GMT
TfL press release says start up with 12tph in core, growing to 22tph in autumn. Perhaps 24tph of original plan when full integration of services after a year? Trial of more dense services will be on Sunday closure days. I wonder will Bond Street opening be tied in with introduction of through services in 3 months with new map? I believe the current peak frequency on TfL Rail East is 10tph so this would make sense if all are getting diverted to the core. I assume that the peak time only 4tph Liv St to Gidea Park services will start at the same time but we'll see I guess. I wouldn't be so sure! The Elizabeth Line Committee on 15 July 2021 learnt the revised plan to integrate both eastern and western branches into the central area service at the same time. Then after six months the full planned Crossrail services would be introduced, providing through working between branches to planned schedule. This change was said to create flexibility to introduce the initial integration stage outside of a National Rail timetable change.
But surely the extended run through the central tunnel would mean that trains would need to pass themselves returning around Tottenham Court Road! Would this be a service reformation each day? Perhaps the initial E.Line through timetable will require train renumbering at the current terminals, allowing the extended service to later pick up its scheduled National Rail working upon surfacing? But without the additional 4tph shuttle to Liverpool Street main line station, how will staff maintain their route knowledge? |
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