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Post by Chris L on Mar 18, 2022 9:11:30 GMT
The beginning of the end for the driver! In open air sidings.
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Post by class411 on Mar 18, 2022 10:12:32 GMT
The beginning of the end for the driver! I would say that the opening of the Victoria line was the beginning of the end, for the driver. Let's do a little audit of how far we've moved from that beginning, as far as The Underground is concerned. 1968: Trains drive themselves between stations. Drivers are responsible for dispatch, and passenger safety, in the event of a breakdown/emergency. 2022: Fifty four years later. Trains drive themselves between stations. Drivers are responsible for dispatch, and passenger safety, in the event of a breakdown/emergency. Systemic operational advances: None. Obviously, massive advances have been made technologically, but, from the drivers POV, operationally, nothing much has changed. So the beginning of the end to the end of the end, will already be measured in decades.
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Post by rsdworker on Mar 18, 2022 21:53:38 GMT
i think vennia metro has auto turnback - where operator steps off and turns on speical control on platform and traun moves to turnback track the operator moves to other side track and turns on train to driver - train moves to other side platform but stops at where driver is standing at switch end - dirver boards and moves manually
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Post by goldenarrow on Mar 22, 2022 20:40:49 GMT
TfL Rail West quietly introduced a new timetable on 13 March marking the completion of what was originally Stage 2 later 2b. The 2tph service that formerly used the bay platform at Hayes & Harlington has been extended to Heathrow T2&3 (reversing empty via T4). Link content.tfl.gov.uk/tfl-rail-west-march-2022.pdf
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Post by Chris L on Apr 10, 2022 19:54:22 GMT
Travelled from Paddington to Reading and back today on Crossrail trains.
Both were running without any roundels. Others just had one TfL Rail roundel at either end.
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Post by joshua on Apr 10, 2022 21:08:25 GMT
Sorry if this has already been asked before but is a precise date of when the Elizabeth Line Core is opening up?
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Post by silenthunter on Apr 10, 2022 21:44:52 GMT
Sorry if this has already been asked before but is a precise date of when the Elizabeth Line Core is opening up? Not yet, but I imagine we'll get one within a couple of weeks.
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Post by jimbo on Apr 11, 2022 0:34:43 GMT
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Post by roybadami on Apr 11, 2022 12:41:13 GMT
Andy Byford has said that they have set a target opening date, but are not ready to reveal it yet, presumably because there's still a significant chance it may slip. Diamond Geezer is reporting that the reductions in weekend night bus services that dovetail with the introduction of night Elizabeth line service are penciled in to take place on 14 May, which would suggest that is also the target date for starting night service on the Elizabeth line. diamondgeezer.blogspot.com/2022/04/night-crossrail.html?m=1Of course, day service could be targeting a date before then, but probably not until after the local elections on 5 May due to election purdah rules. So that gives a rough idea of the range of days they _might_ be targeting. But officially, the answer is "by 30 June".
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Post by joshua on Apr 11, 2022 14:31:30 GMT
Andy Byford has said that they have set a target opening date, but are not ready to reveal it yet, presumably because there's still a significant chance it may slip. Diamond Geezer is reporting that the reductions in weekend night bus services that dovetail with the introduction of night Elizabeth line service are penciled in to take place on 14 May, which would suggest that is also the target date for starting night service on the Elizabeth line. diamondgeezer.blogspot.com/2022/04/night-crossrail.html?m=1Of course, day service could be targeting a date before then, but probably not until after the local elections on 5 May due to election purdah rules. So that gives a rough idea of the range of days they _might_ be targeting. But officially, the answer is "by 30 June". What is Purdah and what does it have to do with the Elizabeth Line?
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Post by 35b on Apr 11, 2022 14:44:33 GMT
Andy Byford has said that they have set a target opening date, but are not ready to reveal it yet, presumably because there's still a significant chance it may slip. Diamond Geezer is reporting that the reductions in weekend night bus services that dovetail with the introduction of night Elizabeth line service are penciled in to take place on 14 May, which would suggest that is also the target date for starting night service on the Elizabeth line. diamondgeezer.blogspot.com/2022/04/night-crossrail.html?m=1Of course, day service could be targeting a date before then, but probably not until after the local elections on 5 May due to election purdah rules. So that gives a rough idea of the range of days they _might_ be targeting. But officially, the answer is "by 30 June". What is Purdah and what does it have to do with the Elizabeth Line? It's the code that prevents politicians making announcements that will be helpful to them in the period immediately before an election. So, as there are council elections in London on May 5th, we're in a period of purdah that would tend to make it unreasonable to do something like open Crossrail during the Purdah period. Wiki ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purdah_(pre-election_period)) has a fuller description of it and how it works, including the exceptions. Given the spirit of inclusivity that this forum follows, and the origins of the term, it's worth note that it's often termed simply "pre election period".
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Post by xplaistow on Apr 11, 2022 14:50:44 GMT
Diamond Geezer is reporting that the reductions in weekend night bus services that dovetail with the introduction of night Elizabeth line service are penciled in to take place on 14 May, which would suggest that is also the target date for starting night service on the Elizabeth line. diamondgeezer.blogspot.com/2022/04/night-crossrail.html?m=1For the record, that blogpost was written as an April Fools. There are no plans to run a night EL service (from day one at least).
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Post by Tom on Apr 11, 2022 16:57:41 GMT
Given the spirit of inclusivity that this forum follows, and the origins of the term, it's worth note that it's often termed simply "pre election period". Thanks for pointing that one out; I'd never realised the origins of the term before. I think we would generally prefer the time leading up to an election to be referred to as the "pre-election period".
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Post by silenthunter on Apr 11, 2022 19:18:15 GMT
In any event, 15 May is the regular timetable change.
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Post by Chris L on Apr 11, 2022 21:09:28 GMT
Given the spirit of inclusivity that this forum follows, and the origins of the term, it's worth note that it's often termed simply "pre election period". Thanks for pointing that one out; I'd never realised the origins of the term before. I think we would generally prefer the time leading up to an election to be referred to as the "pre-election period". Pre election period does not convey the fact that activities that could be considered political are banned.
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Post by roybadami on Apr 11, 2022 21:43:10 GMT
Damn, was it an April Fool? Then I was well and truly had.
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Post by roybadami on Apr 11, 2022 22:04:03 GMT
Regarding purdah...
I've always found it at least slightly odd that the word is used, but like it or not it is the standard term used in UK politics to refer to the pre-election moratorium on politically sensitive announcements in the run-up to an election. I'm not aware that anyone finds it offensive but I can see how it could seen so. EDIT: I agree, though, that just because it currently is the standard term doesn't automatically mean it's right and certainly doesn't mean we shouldn't seek to change it.
Regarding opening Crossrail during purdah - it's been discussed at some length in various places. There's no clear prohibition on doing so, if that's when the date happens to fall, but it would have to be very low key without any political comment from e.g. the mayor. In practice, it seems likely, if not absolutely legally necessary, that the pre-election period would be avoided to avoid any possible perception of wrongdoing in this matter, as well as to allow some mayorial fanfare.
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Post by d7666 on Apr 11, 2022 23:50:57 GMT
Regarding purdah... I've always found it at least slightly odd that the word is used, but like it or not it is the standard term used in UK politics to refer to the pre-election moratorium on politically sensitive announcements in the run-up to an election. I'm not aware that anyone finds it offensive but I can see how it could seen so. EDIT: I agree, though, that just because it currently is the standard term doesn't automatically mean it's right and certainly doesn't mean we shouldn't seek to change it. Agree with all that; have to admit although having heard the term before including specifically with elections, I didn't appreciate what it really meant; had to go away and look it up; likewise can see how it could be misinterpreted. Interesting diversion from topic. "every day a learning day" as they say.
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Post by brigham on Apr 12, 2022 8:15:45 GMT
I rather think that challenging the original concept would be a better idea than shying from the word's political use.
Sweeping unpleasantness under the carpet has never been my cup of tea.
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Post by MoreToJack on Apr 12, 2022 8:45:05 GMT
Let’s get back to Crossrail please…
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Post by t697 on Apr 12, 2022 16:21:50 GMT
Can't say a date but all indications are that conveniently it will be after the local elections.
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Post by d7666 on Apr 12, 2022 21:55:16 GMT
Has the idea of opening the (Queen) Elizabeth line the same dates(s) as Queen (Elizabeth's) Platinum Jubilee 2-3 June 2022 been suggested | discussed | debated | dismissed ? If its been in here before then I missed it. Would seem to tick a lot of boxes. And it's after the elections. And before 30 June.
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Post by Chris L on Apr 12, 2022 22:50:19 GMT
Has the idea of opening the ( Queen) Elizabeth line the same dates(s) as Queen (Elizabeth's) Platinum Jubilee 2-3 June 2022 been suggested | discussed | debated | dismissed ? If its been in here before then I missed it. Would seem to tick a lot of boxes. And it's after the elections. And before 30 June. The Queen has already visited the line and received a roundel plate. It is clear she is not fit enough for another physical visit. The line will open as soon as it gains all the approvals.
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Post by Tom on Apr 13, 2022 8:41:59 GMT
I didn't see anything in d7666's post suggesting that the Queen attends, merely a suggestion that the line opens on the Platinum Jubilee weekend.
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Post by Chris L on Apr 13, 2022 9:34:35 GMT
I didn't see anything in d7666 's post suggesting that the Queen attends, merely a suggestion that the line opens on the Platinum Jubilee weekend. If the approvals come before then there is no point in delaying the opening. The benefits of the new core stations to the network deserve to be in use as soon as possible.
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Post by class411 on Apr 13, 2022 13:36:35 GMT
Diamond Geezer is reporting that the reductions in weekend night bus services that dovetail with the introduction of night Elizabeth line service are penciled in to take place on 14 May, which would suggest that is also the target date for starting night service on the Elizabeth line. diamondgeezer.blogspot.com/2022/04/night-crossrail.html?m=1For the record, that blogpost was written as an April Fools. There are no plans to run a night EL service (from day one at least). Rather a poor April Fool, I thought. April fools are supposed to be things that are quite daft, often starting reasonably and getting dafter and dafter, so the readers eventually realise that they have been 'had'. Even forewarned, there didn't seem to be anything particularly unbelievable in that post.
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Post by Chris L on Apr 13, 2022 14:33:20 GMT
For the record, that blogpost was written as an April Fools. There are no plans to run a night EL service (from day one at least). Rather a poor April Fool, I thought. April fools are supposed to be things that are quite daft, often starting reasonably and getting dafter and dafter, so the readers eventually realise that they have been 'had'. Even forewarned, there didn't seem to be anything particularly unbelievable in that post. I'm sure there will be night services at some point. The tunnels are bi-directional and I witnessed trains running wrong way whilst working at Liverpool Street when only one tunnel was completed. The display screens above the doors were showing alternate Paddington and Abbey Wood trains.
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Post by xplaistow on Apr 13, 2022 14:53:45 GMT
For the record, that blogpost was written as an April Fools. There are no plans to run a night EL service (from day one at least). Rather a poor April Fool, I thought. April fools are supposed to be things that are quite daft, often starting reasonably and getting dafter and dafter, so the readers eventually realise that they have been 'had'. Even forewarned, there didn't seem to be anything particularly unbelievable in that post. I mean the part at the end which talks about plans for a "night cablecar" seems a bit daft to me. The included map also looks very faked. That said, now that the date has passed it could probably do with a warning label of sorts which states "This is an April Fools".
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Post by d7666 on Apr 13, 2022 15:36:59 GMT
I didn't see anything in d7666's post suggesting that the Queen attends, merely a suggestion that the line opens on the Platinum Jubilee weekend.
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Post by quex on Apr 13, 2022 16:15:48 GMT
I suppose it's not impossible that a quiet soft opening to the public occurs before the Jubilee weekend, and then a big media "Royal opening" happens on the 2-3 June. That said, I'm not holding my breath for either.
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