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Post by Chris L on Mar 7, 2022 22:13:32 GMT
Paddington, Bond Street, Tottenham Court Road, Farringdon, Liverpool Street, Whitechapel are LU stations and gate-line staff will be LU. MTR/Elizabeth Line will have a small staff uniformed presence for dealing with detrainments and platform screen door issues. To update further, Paddington will be staffed by MTR/Elizabeth Line only. There will still be LUL staff on the traditional entrances and access via a long passage under the main line platforms. |
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Post by xplaistow on Mar 8, 2022 11:09:06 GMT
IanVisits has reported on a sneak preview event here. Includes some details about a possible opening date, the Bakerloo line link at Paddington and fire doors among other things. |
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Post by jimbo on Mar 13, 2022 3:37:52 GMT
With TV footage of shelterers in the Kiev Metro “The World's Biggest Bomb Shelter” see here I wonder whether this possibility had been part of Crossrail planning, given the expansive deep space it will provide under London, and its complex ventilation systems. see also here |
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Post by rincew1nd on Mar 13, 2022 8:54:48 GMT
Those of us who were part of Christmas Social special event a few years ago will remember seeing lots of big empty rooms as part of the Northern Concourse at Kings Cross. I wouldn't be surprised if there were similar spaces as part of the Crossrail construction.
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Post by Chris L on Mar 13, 2022 18:31:43 GMT
Those of us who were part of Christmas Social special event a few years ago will remember seeing lots of big empty rooms as part of the Northern Concourse at Kings Cross. I wouldn't be surprised if there were similar spaces as part of the Crossrail construction. I only know about Liverpool Street. There are train crew locker rooms, offices, mess rooms etc at the Moorgate end. Also a lot of plant rooms. I don't think they'll be empty. |
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Post by jimbo on Mar 13, 2022 19:08:27 GMT
Those of us who were part of Christmas Social special event a few years ago will remember seeing lots of big empty rooms as part of the Northern Concourse at Kings Cross. I wouldn't be surprised if there were similar spaces as part of the Crossrail construction. I only know about Liverpool Street. There are train crew locker rooms, offices, mess rooms etc at the Moorgate end. Also a lot of plant rooms. I don't think they'll be empty. "train crew locker rooms, offices, mess rooms etc at the Moorgate end" in connection with proposed stabling on the former City Widened Lines from Farringdon end? |
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Post by Chris L on Mar 13, 2022 19:46:26 GMT
I only know about Liverpool Street. There are train crew locker rooms, offices, mess rooms etc at the Moorgate end. Also a lot of plant rooms. I don't think they'll be empty. "train crew locker rooms, offices, mess rooms etc at the Moorgate end" in connection with proposed stabling on the former City Widened Lines from Farringdon end? No for Underground staff and Crossrail train crews and staff. Liverpool Street Underground station is now supervised from Moorgate. |
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Post by jimbo on Mar 13, 2022 23:49:01 GMT
Provision for Crossrail train crews at Moorgate makes me wonder will crews work through both ends of the line with different signalling, or will there be a crew change in the central section? It will be a long run from end to end.
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Post by spsmiler on Mar 14, 2022 0:05:51 GMT
intriguing and exciting tweet
Easter opening???
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Post by silenthunter on Mar 14, 2022 21:38:19 GMT
Pre-local election purdah might be an issue - they can't have a big public launch in April.
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Post by spsmiler on Mar 14, 2022 23:02:35 GMT
Not a political launch, but were it to be opened by H M The Queen then perhaps it could have big public launch in April?
I wonder ... some type of party or celebration event? I can but dream of free travel on opening day - this is the sort of thing that happens when something new in public transport opens!
(erm, usually overseas).
Network SouthEast was launched with a special day where we could travel anywhere on the system at a discounted rate.
I suppose though that the present-day financial nightmare plus still ongoing covid situation will rule out all special events.
ah well.
btw, what I am curious to discover is whether faster journey times within central London will offset the longer journey duration caused by the five extra station stops between Ilford and Liverpool Street (the non-stop trains used to take just a dozen minutes although interchanging at Liverpool Street took a few minutes).
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Post by d7666 on Mar 15, 2022 14:46:36 GMT
Well it must be happening ! Because as from today, Crossrail Elizabeth line is on Trackernet (that's the internal LU system for those of you on the outside unfamiliar with this), and Trackernet never lies  AIUI the feed is indirect in the sense it does not come directly from the line signalling system but indirectly through via secure Networkrail data feed. Anyway what is displayed in the same format as tube lines. Although seemingly without unit or lead car numbers  (possibly as NR feeds don't (usually) supply that.) PS for anyone not yet picked up on it, there is a public view of the NR feed at : signalmaps.co.uk/#crossrail:3359 |
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Post by A60stock on Mar 15, 2022 17:00:48 GMT
What is the linespeed at which trains can pass through stations without stopping and will this apply to bond street whilst it remains closed once the rest of the line is operating?
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Post by Chris L on Mar 15, 2022 17:17:38 GMT
Well it must be happening ! Because as from today, Crossrail Elizabeth line is on Trackernet (that's the internal LU system for those of you on the outside unfamiliar with this), and Trackernet never lies  AIUI the feed is indirect in the sense it does not come directly from the line signalling system but indirectly through via secure Networkrail data feed. Anyway what is displayed in the same format as tube lines. Although seemingly without unit or lead car numbers  (possibly as NR feeds don't (usually) supply that.) PS for anyone not yet picked up on it, there is a public view of the NR feed at : signalmaps.co.uk/#crossrail:3359Isn't it just the trains running on trial operations at the moment? |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 15, 2022 18:28:45 GMT
What is the linespeed at which trains can pass through stations without stopping and will this apply to bond street whilst it remains closed once the rest of the line is operating? Judging on my two recent trips on non-stopping trains through Bond Street, about 40-45mph |
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Post by class411 on Mar 15, 2022 19:11:08 GMT
and Trackernet never lies Damn! I knew I should have gone to Holland Park to watch the train chugging back and forth as shown on Trackernet some years back. |
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Post by goldenarrow on Mar 15, 2022 20:44:08 GMT
What is the linespeed at which trains can pass through stations without stopping and will this apply to bond street whilst it remains closed once the rest of the line is operating? is bang on the money. Core stations can be passed at up to 70 kph or 43.5 mph. I would expect this to be in use for the first months of revenue service before Bond Street is ready to open. |
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Post by miff on Mar 16, 2022 13:41:21 GMT
Pre-local election purdah might be an issue - they can't have a big public launch in April. No need for a big public launch. Just open it, without fanfare, when it’s ready and have an “official opening” ceremony at a later date. This used to be common practice for big railway projects e.g. the Victoria Line. |
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Post by Chris L on Mar 16, 2022 13:57:16 GMT
Pre-local election purdah might be an issue - they can't have a big public launch in April. No need for a big public launch. Just open it, without fanfare, when it’s ready and have an “official opening” ceremony at a later date. This used to be common practice for big railway projects e.g. the Victoria Line. The official launch should be when the full line opens. I noticed this morning that the roundels outside Woolwich stations are still all white. Not opening just yet. |
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Post by jimbo on Mar 16, 2022 19:41:43 GMT
Pre-local election purdah might be an issue - they can't have a big public launch in April. No need for a big public launch. Just open it, without fanfare, when it’s ready and have an “official opening” ceremony at a later date. This used to be common practice for big railway projects e.g. the Victoria Line. Whilst first two stages were in use, stage three was not open to the public until the afternoon after the Queen had opened the central section south from Warren Street. The Brixton extension was a later approved section which was in early stages of construction at that time. |
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Post by jimbo on Mar 17, 2022 0:08:36 GMT
The Elizabeth Line Committee papers for 24 March 2022 meeting are now available. On page 8 of 80 under Elizabeth Line Readiness it says "The aborted Trial Operations before Christmas 2021 had had no significant impact on the programme. Auto-reverse trialling had begun once again but required track access which made planning more complex."
Can anyone explain “auto-reverse trialling” and will it be part of normal operations? That is, will it be used at Paddington, or only for short-workings during partial line closure?
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Post by jimbo on Mar 17, 2022 0:22:18 GMT
In spite of rumours of imminent opening, the Elizabeth Line Committee papers for 24 March 2022 show that the earliest possible line opening is March, with 50% chance in May and 80% chance in June. However, further upgrades are planned for the train and signalling software over the Easter period, to provide increased operational reliability of the trains, routeway and signalling systems. Easter Sunday is 17 April 2022, and reliability would probably be demonstrated over the following fortnight, so that would put public opening into May at least.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 17, 2022 4:07:17 GMT
Can anyone explain “auto-reverse trialling” and will it be part of normal operations? That is, will it be used at Paddington, or only for short-workings during partial line closure? Auto-reverse is in use at Westbourne Park sidings, allowing a detrained 9-car to depart Paddington westbound and enter the sidings, reverse and return to Paddington eastbound with the driver walking between the two cabs. |
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Post by silenthunter on Mar 17, 2022 14:25:54 GMT
Don't you mean without walking between the cabs?
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Post by bomo on Mar 17, 2022 14:30:31 GMT
Well it must be happening ! Because as from today, Crossrail Elizabeth line is on Trackernet (that's the internal LU system for those of you on the outside unfamiliar with this), and Trackernet never lies AIUI the feed is indirect in the sense it does not come directly from the line signalling system but indirectly through via secure Networkrail data feed. Anyway what is displayed in the same format as tube lines. Although seemingly without unit or lead car numbers (possibly as NR feeds don't (usually) supply that.) PS for anyone not yet picked up on it, there is a public view of the NR feed at : signalmaps.co.uk/#crossrail:3359
The central section has been on Traksy for quite a while now.
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Post by Chris M on Mar 17, 2022 14:40:58 GMT
Don't you mean without walking between the cabs? No, the driver needs to change ends regardless. The traditional way would be to drive the train from Paddington to the siding, change ends while stationary, drive the train back to Paddington. The autoreversal will see the train drive itself to and from the siding while the driver changes ends meaning there is no need for the train to be stationary in the siding for longer than it takes for the points to move and signals to clear. |
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Post by sunnyday on Mar 17, 2022 17:16:04 GMT
Can anyone explain “auto-reverse trialling” and will it be part of normal operations? That is, will it be used at Paddington, or only for short-workings during partial line closure? Auto-reverse is in use at Westbourne Park sidings, allowing a detrained 9-car to depart Paddington westbound and enter the sidings, reverse and return to Paddington eastbound with the driver walking between the two cabs. I can confirm that auto reverse is currently not in use. They tried a few trials, but it has not been signed off. Same as in Plumstead sidings. No new dates have been given for if/when they will try again. |
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Post by silenthunter on Mar 17, 2022 19:44:26 GMT
Don't you mean without walking between the cabs? No, the driver needs to change ends regardless. The traditional way would be to drive the train from Paddington to the siding, change ends while stationary, drive the train back to Paddington. The autoreversal will see the train drive itself to and from the siding while the driver changes ends meaning there is no need for the train to be stationary in the siding for longer than it takes for the points to move and signals to clear. So, the driver is walking along while the train is moving? |
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Post by Chris M on Mar 17, 2022 20:45:13 GMT
So, the driver is walking along while the train is moving? Yes |
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Post by brigham on Mar 18, 2022 8:25:25 GMT
The beginning of the end for the driver!
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(possibly as NR feeds don't (usually) supply that.)
(possibly as NR feeds don't (usually) supply that.)
