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Post by Dstock7080 on Nov 30, 2021 20:42:31 GMT
TBF there's only four Roundels - Underground [Red/Blue]
Overground [Orange/Red]
TfL Rail [Blue]
Elizabeth Line/Crossrail [Purple/Blue]
There are a few more than four around: Coaches Cycles Dial-a-Ride DLR Trams Taxis River AirLine Buses TfL Corporate |
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Post by MoreToJack on Nov 30, 2021 20:43:48 GMT
TBF there's only four Roundels - Underground [Red/Blue]
- Overground [Orange/Red]
- TfL Rail [Blue]
- Elizabeth Line/Crossrail [Purple/Blue]
Sadly not true - remember every mode has a roundel and they are all used effectively and prominently even if not in quite the same way as (some) Rail for London modes. Practical experience suggests that the colours don’t cause confusion as they highlight which the prevalent mode is and assist with way-finding and such like. Ultimately it identifies a TfL service and everything that (should) stand for. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Nov 30, 2021 20:48:42 GMT
TBF there's only four Roundels - Underground [Red/Blue]
Overground [Orange/Red]
TfL Rail [Blue]
Elizabeth Line/Crossrail [Purple/Blue]
There are a few more than four around: Coaches Cycles Dial-a-Ride DLR Trams Taxis River AirLine Buses TfL Corporate I have an LT Museum carrier bag from several years back, it has twelve roundels on it. One not listed above is "Streets" (a silver ring). |
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Post by Chris W on Nov 30, 2021 20:56:11 GMT
Fair do's.... consider me marinated in Jus*  
* you can tell I'm watching Masterchief at the mo can't you 
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Post by cudsn15 on Nov 30, 2021 21:54:42 GMT
Never under estimate the power of the pedantry of this forum to find the slightest chink of contradiction in any post :-P
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Post by Chris M on Nov 30, 2021 23:15:05 GMT
Fair do's.... consider me marinated in Jus* * you can tell I'm watching Masterchief at the mo can't you And one thing not yet mentioned is that the Overground roundel is orange and blue, not orange and red |
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Post by brigham on Dec 1, 2021 9:47:45 GMT
My thought was this; the Elizabeth Line having a different roundel might cause central area passengers to avoid it, and continue to press onto Central Line trains, despite these having less capacity.
Now, this may be the intention; to promote the new line as a sort-of 'prestige' line, a 'first-class', as it were. In which case, fine. It needs its own branding.
BUT, if it is intended for use to ease central area congestion, then the non-conformity with the rest of the Underground may be counter-productive.
It's done, so only time will tell!
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Post by 100andthirty on Dec 1, 2021 14:02:20 GMT
My thought was this; the Elizabeth Line having a different roundel might cause central area passengers to avoid it, and continue to press onto Central Line trains, despite these having less capacity. Now, this may be the intention; to promote the new line as a sort-of 'prestige' line, a 'first-class', as it were. In which case, fine. It needs its own branding. BUT, if it is intended for use to ease central area congestion, then the non-conformity with the rest of the Underground may be counter-productive. It's done, so only time will tell! I doubt that anyone will care. After all most regular rail travellers have got used to a whole RGB set of colour schemes, and don't seen to be unduly bothered. |
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Post by melikepie on Dec 20, 2021 12:20:16 GMT
<<Posts merged from 'Woolwich delayed?' thread - goldenarrow>>
Apparently there is a funding shortfall with about half of the funding still to be found. £7 million is already done but £8 million is still needed. It looks like Woolwich may not open at the same time. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-59710650
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Post by Chris L on Dec 20, 2021 12:49:50 GMT
I didn't want to put this in the other thread as it is already a long one. Apparently there is a funding shortfall with about half of the funding still to be found. £7 million is already done but £8 million is still needed. It looks like Woolwich may not open at the same time. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-59710650The station has been handed over. No reason to delay the opening. Planning consent has been given for homes above the escape shaft which will produce a substantial contribution to the Council. More to come. |
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Post by spsmiler on Dec 20, 2021 21:45:51 GMT
I passed by Ilford station today. I'm sure that work is progressing, just not sure where (at the station) or by how many people.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 21, 2021 7:53:30 GMT
The map accompanying that article suggests that Liverpool Street to Stratford via Whitechapel is already open! |
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Post by sd826e on Dec 23, 2021 14:45:55 GMT
The map accompanying that article suggests that Liverpool Street to Stratford via Whitechapel is already open! Well-spotted lol |
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Post by sd826e on Dec 23, 2021 14:47:34 GMT
Looks like eastern destinations will be voiced with "via" info like the DLR:
"This is the TfL Rail service to Abbey Wood via Canary Wharf"
"This is the TfL Rail service to Shenfield via Stratford"
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Post by t697 on Dec 23, 2021 17:21:44 GMT
Looks like eastern destinations will be voiced with "via" info like the DLR: "This is the TfL Rail service to Abbey Wood via Canary Wharf" "This is the TfL Rail service to Shenfield via Stratford" Will it update to simply the destination once the train reaches the 'via' location? Unlike current Central line... |
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Post by Chris L on Dec 23, 2021 19:47:20 GMT
Looks like eastern destinations will be voiced with "via" info like the DLR: "This is the TfL Rail service to Abbey Wood via Canary Wharf" "This is the TfL Rail service to Shenfield via Stratford" Will it update to simply the destination once the train reaches the 'via' location? Unlike current Central line... The diagrams on the internal displays update as the train progresses as do the calling at messages. So hopefully yes. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 24, 2021 10:48:15 GMT
Will it update to simply the destination once the train reaches the 'via' location? Unlike current Central line... Also South Eastern. Boarding a train at Waterloo East Platform B to be greeted by announcement that it is a service to Charing Cross via Sidcup is a little disconcerting. |
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Post by sunnyday on Dec 24, 2021 10:57:59 GMT
Looks like eastern destinations will be voiced with "via" info like the DLR: "This is the TfL Rail service to Abbey Wood via Canary Wharf" "This is the TfL Rail service to Shenfield via Stratford" Will it update to simply the destination once the train reaches the 'via' location? Unlike current Central line... Yes - they already do this. When we set-up at Liverpool Street it says "This is the TfL Rail service to Shenfield via Stratford". Then updates to the destination only once it gets to Stratford. |
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Post by Chris L on Dec 24, 2021 16:25:14 GMT
Will it update to simply the destination once the train reaches the 'via' location? Unlike current Central line... Also South Eastern. Boarding a train at Waterloo East Platform B to be greeted by announcement that it is a service to Charing Cross via Sidcup is a little disconcerting. On one occasion at London Bridge I saw Cannon Street as the destination on platforms 1,2 and 3. Trains leaving Cannon Street on the loop usually show Slade Green as the destination until Woolwich Arsenal then Sidcup until Slade Green when it reverts to Cannon Street. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 26, 2021 10:31:38 GMT
Also South Eastern. Boarding a train at Waterloo East Platform B to be greeted by announcement that it is a service to Charing Cross via Sidcup is a little disconcerting. On one occasion at London Bridge I saw Cannon Street as the destination on platforms 1,2 and 3. Trains leaving Cannon Street on the loop usually show Slade Green as the destination until Woolwich Arsenal then Sidcup until Slade Green when it reverts to Cannon Street. Quite so - but all trains from Platform B go direct to Charing Cross, having already made all their other calls. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Dec 27, 2021 5:09:59 GMT
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Post by spsmiler on Dec 28, 2021 1:00:38 GMT
That might be a very serious issue - they do not say anything to dispel such concerns
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 29, 2021 23:05:02 GMT
Is the problem likely to disrupt services? For example if the damaged slab is above the running lines.
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Post by spsmiler on Dec 30, 2021 1:07:44 GMT
Is the problem likely to disrupt services? For example if the damaged slab is above the running lines. They do not say and I do not know. I can only guess that if it posed a safety hazard we would already know this - because the tracks below it would be closed. |
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Post by Chris M on Dec 30, 2021 2:22:10 GMT
There is the possibility that it poses no danger currently but would pose a danger when it is disturbed. If so then options would include delaying doing anything about it until the tracks need to be closed for some other reason, or building a crash deck between the slab and the tracks. The latter option will partly depend on the clearance available above the OLE (I have no idea what that's like here) and may require a short closure to assemble and dismantle (but again that could likely be coordinated)
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Post by spsmiler on Jan 7, 2022 22:08:27 GMT
There is the possibility that it poses no danger currently but would pose a danger when it is disturbed. If so then options would include delaying doing anything about it until the tracks need to be closed for some other reason, or building a crash deck between the slab and the tracks. The latter option will partly depend on the clearance available above the OLE (I have no idea what that's like here) and may require a short closure to assemble and dismantle (but again that could likely be coordinated) I suspect that the clearances are too small to allow a crash deck to be built there. I need to find a photo that shows this location. In recent weeks I've tended to go shopping in Ilford towards the end of the day, which at this time of year means 'after nightfall'. But today I went earlier and managed to snap the image at the tweet below. On the far left is a lift tower under construction. In front of me are some plastic barriers designed to stop pedestrians from crossing the road here. What you do not see is a crane - this was there a few days ago when I was in Ilford, its absence must mean that much of the exterior construction works have been completed. btw, for sunny weather photography you really do need to be there in the morning as in the afternoon this view would require that you point your camera towards the sun. |
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Post by Deep Level on Jan 12, 2022 13:20:44 GMT
My issue at Ilford (and I imagine some other stations) right now is that despite the platforms having been extended and 9 car trains operating the speakers on the new sections of platform aren't yet connected so those of us who get the train at that end cannot hear announcements. You can make some of them out when it's quiet but impossible if trains are passing through other platforms.
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Post by rincew1nd on Jan 18, 2022 13:26:53 GMT
"First half of 2022"
So 30Jun2022 then!
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Post by londoner on Jan 18, 2022 14:13:54 GMT
"First half of 2022" So 30Jun2022 then! Warning: pedantic alert: If we split 365 days into half, we get 182.5. So the last day of the first half of this year could also start 182 days from 01 January which is Saturday 02 July! |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 18, 2022 19:23:13 GMT
"First half of 2022" So 30Jun2022 then! Warning: pedantic alert: If we split 365 days into half, we get 182.5. So the last day of the first half of this year could also start 182 days from 01 January which is Saturday 02 July! 182nd day of a non-leap year is July 1st.(31+28+31+30+31+30=181 So any time up to mid-day on Day 183 (July 2nd) would do. (Indeed, as daylight saving is in force at the beginning and end of the year, but not in July, we can stretch to 1pm BST) |
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