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Post by vincenture on Aug 7, 2021 9:22:27 GMT
Perhaps an hourly service from Slough to Gidea Park can be considered
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Post by Chris L on Aug 7, 2021 11:29:28 GMT
Perhaps an hourly service from Slough to Gidea Park can be considered The freight activity is concentrated on accessing the area to the west of Stratford. Hayes & Harlington would be the simplest point in the west.
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Post by xplaistow on Aug 7, 2021 12:36:02 GMT
It is worth noting that GWR do run a handful of overnight semi-fast services between Paddington and Reading so there would be some precedent if TfL thought it worthwhile to run a night Elizabeth line service west of Paddington.
Unrelated, but here's something I was thinking about recently: With the latest proposal to simultaneously link Shenfield and Reading/Heathrow to the central core (albeit with no through running from Shenfield to west of Paddington) using existing service patterns to decouple the transition from being forced to happen during a May/December timetable change, would there still need to be changes made to the current TfL Rail timetables, either in Dec 2021 or May 2022, in order to better line up existing service patterns to the proposed Stage 5b timetable? For example, if the proposal was to run an even 8tph to each of Shenfield and Abbey Wood off-peak (to line up with existing service levels on the Shenfield line) then the current 6tph off-peak west of Paddington would need to be shifted from their current gaps of 11/5/14 mins to something like 8/7/15 mins so that when they eventually get diverted into the core they would line up nicely with the Abbey Wood service.
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Post by Tom on Aug 8, 2021 18:46:29 GMT
It is worth noting that GWR do run a handful of overnight semi-fast services between Paddington and Reading so there would be some precedent if TfL thought it worthwhile to run a night Elizabeth line service west of Paddington. It would make perfect sense to see the 2/3 overnight trains (0134 and 0334 ex Paddington, 0115, 0224 and 0434 ex Reading) handed over to TfL Rail to run, especially as one of them appears to only do one Reading to Paddington return working overnight. However, it might depend on what's in GWR's franchise and what TfL's aims for the service are.
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Post by peterc on Aug 9, 2021 12:54:57 GMT
Perhaps an hourly service from Slough to Gidea Park can be considered In BR days there was only a two hour gap between the last and first Shenfield stoppers (roughly 1:20 and 3:20)
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Post by jimbo on Aug 10, 2021 12:36:27 GMT
As opening gets closer, has there been any talk of a Night Tube service on the Elizabeth Line, perhaps Paddington to Abbey Wood on TfL section? LU Night Tube could be back running by then! Some years ago it was talked about. The tunnels in the core section are capable of running in both directions. (I've seen the destination screens above the platform doors show alternate east and westbound trains.) ..... That may be, but the platforms are labelled east- and west-bound, and the enamel line diagrams only show the appropriate stations and destinations. So it looks like wrong direction running is only intended as an out of the ordinary movement. LU manages to have Night Tube on two nights with maintenance on the other nights. I guess Elizabeth line could do the same if thought worthwhile. Overground only does it on the TfL section to New Cross, so perhaps that is also easiest on Elizabeth Line.
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Post by vincenture on Aug 10, 2021 13:15:19 GMT
To reply to the replies I've received, I didn't consider all-the-way services due to projected demand. Regarding freight, I suppose Hayes & Harlington to Stratford may be the best alternative, with complimentary night bus connections from Newbury Park on the Central line. Then again I'm not very familiar with everything so feel free to keep this going.
Maidenhead is kind of like a gamble for patronage due to distance and is two stops from Reading. So the next best is Slough other than Hayes & Harlington.
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Post by Chris L on Aug 10, 2021 14:03:52 GMT
Some years ago it was talked about. The tunnels in the core section are capable of running in both directions. (I've seen the destination screens above the platform doors show alternate east and westbound trains.) ..... That may be, but the platforms are labelled east- and west-bound, and the enamel line diagrams only show the appropriate stations and destinations. So it looks like wrong direction running is only intended as an out of the ordinary movement. LU manages to have Night Tube on two nights with maintenance on the other nights. I guess Elizabeth line could do the same if thought worthwhile. Overground only does it on the TfL section to New Cross, so perhaps that is also easiest on Elizabeth Line. Crossrail has been designed with a lot of equipment rooms/areas off the end of platforms with access on walkways with screens protecting them from the tracks. This is very different to Tube stations where maintenance has to confined to engineering hours. The line will require attention to track and the fixed overhead so two way working in the tunnel section is there to be used.
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Post by Tom on Aug 10, 2021 16:21:14 GMT
To reply to the replies I've received, I didn't consider all-the-way services due to projected demand. Regarding freight, I suppose Hayes & Harlington to Stratford may be the best alternative, with complimentary night bus connections from Newbury Park on the Central line. Then again I'm not very familiar with everything so feel free to keep this going. Maidenhead is kind of like a gamble for patronage due to distance and is two stops from Reading. So the next best is Slough other than Hayes & Harlington. The fact that there are overnight trains as far as Reading suggests there's demand, albeit not high demand. Making the case for Slough, it's the western extremity of the TfL Bus network so is a place served prior to TfL Rail and therefore a place where TfL would logically serve (even though it's outside the M25). However, when there are overnight works on the main lines (which was reasonably commonplace when I commuted) everything had to be sent along the relief lines, and there is no possibility to reverse a train without interrupting through traffic. However, at Maidenhead there are stabling and reversing sidings which were provided specifically for Crossrail! I would ignore the temptation to say "Maidenhead's only two stops from Reading". Whilst that's true, it's not half-way between Slough and Reading. Maidenhead is 24.25 miles from London, whereas Reading is 36!
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Post by jimbo on Aug 10, 2021 22:40:28 GMT
Are TfL Rail drivers trained on the fast lines to east or west?
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Post by goldenarrow on Aug 11, 2021 8:45:34 GMT
Are TfL Rail drivers trained on the fast lines to east or west? Yes they are for both sides. It’s been a regular feature for TFL Rail West weekend running for a number of years. Less so on TFL Rail East of late but both retain coverage in the event of disruption.
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Post by Chris L on Aug 12, 2021 8:07:54 GMT
Are TfL Rail drivers trained on the fast lines to east or west? Yes they are for both sides. It’s been a regular feature for TFL Rail West weekend running for a number of years. Less so on TFL Rail East of late but both retain coverage in the event of disruption. I believe the last trains out of London on the east side are timetabled along the fast lines.
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Post by superteacher on Aug 19, 2021 10:07:43 GMT
On the digital announcements on the new Greater Anglia class 720 trains, the message to change to the Elizabeth line at Shenfield has been replaced by TFL Rail.
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Post by vincenture on Aug 19, 2021 15:45:02 GMT
That sounds like a matter of either bad news of delay or just keeping its accuracy
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Post by Chris L on Aug 19, 2021 17:30:58 GMT
That sounds like a matter of either bad news of delay or just keeping its accuracy Given that changing to the Elizabeth line at Shenfield won't be an option for some time accuracy is the thing to go for.
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Post by superteacher on Aug 20, 2021 10:25:39 GMT
Agreed - a bit confusing to invite passengers to change for a service which doesn’t yet exist.
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Post by goldenarrow on Aug 20, 2021 13:22:52 GMT
Photos posted on Facebook over the past week show that the remaining parts of Whitechapel are being readied for handover to London Underground on Monday 23 August 2021. This includes returning large parts of the station previously behind hoardings back to public use in much the same way as Liverpool Street/Moorgate.
The temporary ticket hall on Court Street will close permanently upon the re-opening of the rebuilt Whitechapel Road ticket hall (closed since 2015) which will be supplemented by an additional permanent entrance on Durward Street. Step-free access will be available between all active areas from the same date.
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Post by Chris M on Aug 20, 2021 18:36:40 GMT
There are signs at the temporary entrance clearly stating that it will close from Monday 23 August and be removed next year. The signs also say from that date entrance, including step-free access to the Underground and Overground, will be available from "the previous entrance on Whitechapel High Street" and a new entrance on Durward Street. There is no indication at the Whitechapel High Street entrance that anything is about to change. There entire Durward Street facade is still covered in scaffolding with the street closed, including to pedestrians, looking nowhere close to opening.
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Post by DWS on Aug 20, 2021 19:09:55 GMT
There are signs at the temporary entrance clearly stating that it will close from Monday 23 August and be removed next year. The signs also say from that date entrance, including step-free access to the Underground and Overground, will be available from "the previous entrance on Whitechapel High Street" and a new entrance on Durward Street. There is no indication at the Whitechapel High Street entrance that anything is about to change. There entire Durward Street facade is still covered in scaffolding with the street closed, including to pedestrians, looking nowhere close to opening. This Saturday and Sunday 21/22 the District line has no service between Tower Hill and West Ham , Hammersmith and City Line no service on the whole line. London Overground no service between Highbury & Islington and Shadwell. Plus on Sunday is the London Big Half Marathon. Monday will tell if anything has changed to the entrances to Whitechapel Station.
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Post by spsmiler on Aug 20, 2021 22:17:30 GMT
Yikes and cringe ... will something rebuilt and something new be opening or will there be egg on face?
What a saga....
ps: in between me opening this message and me pressing the 'post quick reply' button the forum decided to throw me out and make me log in again. I then had to refresh this page, fortunately I had copied the message to the clipboard so did not lose it.
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Post by Chris M on Aug 20, 2021 22:41:04 GMT
As far as I could tell, the only thing that needs to be done to open the main (Whitechapel High Street) entrance would be to take the hoardings down and perhaps a bit of tidying up - way less than a two day job.
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Post by Chris L on Aug 21, 2021 5:38:55 GMT
As far as I could tell, the only thing that needs to be done to open the main (Whitechapel High Street) entrance would be to take the hoardings down and perhaps a bit of tidying up - way less than a two day job. Take a look at the SSR Resignalling thread.
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Post by revupminster on Aug 21, 2021 5:56:41 GMT
Update
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 21, 2021 7:25:59 GMT
As far as I could tell, the only thing that needs to be done to open the main (Whitechapel High Street) entrance would be to take the hoardings down and perhaps a bit of tidying up - way less than a two day job. On the platforms, remove the last of the temporary lighting masts, temporary scaffolding towers holding up the temporary cable ducting, fill and retile the holes left. Remove the temporary signage.
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Post by Chris M on Aug 21, 2021 12:07:22 GMT
Obviously signage will need to change before Monday morning, and obviously all the rest will need to be done at some point but it it all required before the entrance can open?
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Post by Chris L on Aug 21, 2021 20:57:23 GMT
Obviously signage will need to change before Monday morning, and obviously all the rest will need to be done at some point but it it all required before the entrance can open? The station is being handed over to TfL on Monday so the work must be completed.
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Post by goldenarrow on Aug 23, 2021 12:11:09 GMT
Druids predictions were on the money:
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Post by DWS on Aug 23, 2021 12:46:58 GMT
Whitechapel had two separate entrances at one time an East London Railway and the District Railway, way back the two entrances had one closed and that one became a retail shop.. Am I right in saying the Costa coffee shop used to be one of the two entrances ? 50/ 50 chance of having called it right ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 13:26:29 GMT
If anyone is in the area can you take a photo of the lift map so I can figure out my route through the station please.
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Post by Chris M on Aug 23, 2021 13:36:49 GMT
If anyone is in the area can you take a photo of the lift map so I can figure out my route through the station please. I intend to take a trip there tomorrow. I'll try and remember to photograph that for you.
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