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Post by superteacher on Apr 12, 2019 23:27:59 GMT
It may well be that at first, they are restricted to off peak workings so that systems can be proven without the pressure of full peak loadings. Interesting - I thought they'd do the opposite. Run them off peak for driver training purposes and then put 1 or 2 paths into passenger service in the peaks to take the pressure off the most overcrowded trains. I understand your point completely but at some point they've got to cope with peak crowds. The point is that traffic has probably fallen anyway and a 4 car unit at 15 min intervals for, say, the peakiest hour will not be overstressed. There should really be loads of room so while they'd be busier than in the off peak they're very unlikely to be bursting at the seams in the early days. The risk that TfL / Arriva face is if the word gets round too fast and there is, for some reason, a surge in peak demand that fills the trains up. After such a long and dire period on the line I don't see that happening - people are probably far too jaded to be convinced quickly that a new era has started (whenever some of the new trains do run). The gentlest off peak test is to liven up some paths on a Saturday or Sunday for 710s and see how they cope. Possibly shove a 378, as a "rescue" unit, into a siding / goods loop on standby in case of failure. There are no freight trains on a Sunday on the GOBLIN so that's the day with least risk of disruption to other parties. You may be correct Snoggle. I’m just going by my experience with most previous new rolling stock introductions. |
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Post by nopixar on Apr 13, 2019 3:01:45 GMT
The plan was for the first ones to be peakbusters. Subject to a few bits and pieces.
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Post by 35b on Apr 13, 2019 9:00:53 GMT
Given issues with the IEP fleet, I find it interesting that two of the conditions relate to implementing anti climb between the cars. Just how much of a risk do ORR consider this to be?
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Post by jswallow on Apr 13, 2019 10:26:47 GMT
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Post by dazz285 on Apr 13, 2019 11:24:30 GMT
Interesting to note the exclusion of CSDE (Correct Side Door Enable) and ASDO (Automatic Selective Door Operation) - jumping to a conclusion here, but does that suggest a lack of infrastructure or a lack of testing of these facilities? Also slightly worried about the refusal to allow sleet brushes and de-icing equipment. Hopefully we have a mild winter... All of the equipment is there & as far as I am aware it is fully working. |
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Post by regp41 on Apr 18, 2019 14:23:15 GMT
Replacement buses on the Goblin over the Easter Weekend, does anyone know if this is for engineering work or so they can do a lot of Driver Training?
Ray
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Post by greatkingrat on Apr 18, 2019 16:31:23 GMT
With half the trains cancelled, there are plenty of spare paths available for driver training if necessary anyway.
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Post by bigvern on Apr 18, 2019 16:39:16 GMT
Also noticed a unidentified 710 with Crystal Palace set as destination! at 22.00 passing through Kings Langley going North, found was running Monday Evening 15th Tuesday Morning 16th April on Test Runs on the southern end of the WCML between Wembley Yard and Milton Keynes Central, made 3 return trips overnight according to the timetable. not sure if other trips have been covered this week.
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Post by bigvern on Apr 18, 2019 16:46:53 GMT
Further Checks with Timetable data show trains have also run Tue/Weds 16/17th Night and Weds/Thurs 17/18th Nights as well, Willesden TMD to Willesden TMD, departs around 2135 returns around 0615 following morning.
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Post by snoggle on Apr 18, 2019 17:54:42 GMT
Replacement buses on the Goblin over the Easter Weekend, does anyone know if this is for engineering work or so they can do a lot of Driver Training? Ray Apparently for track works by NR but don't ask me where on the line they are working. There is plenty of scope for test train running during the week - they've been out most days except half of Wednesday and Thursday (today) for some reason. No one cancelled the Thunderbird loco though - it's been going back and forth! As Bigvern says the WCML overnight runs have resumed but so have overnight runs on the GOBLIN as well. No idea why and whether that's driver training or more mileage accumulation on units that haven't yet reached their targets. I still don't know if Arriva Rail London have actually accepted a single unit yet. Comments on London Reconnections suggest there are still some software issues that ARL and ASLEF want resolved. Also some of the conditions in the ORR conditional approval also have to be built dealt with. |
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Post by 35b on Apr 19, 2019 10:04:28 GMT
A reliable source on another forum has posted that five class 314 units (same family as the 313s being displaced on the GN and 315s on the GE) will get C4 repairs for use on the Goblin.
If true, a worrying portent for the Aventra family and its introduction.
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Post by goldenarrow on Apr 19, 2019 10:28:58 GMT
C4's are heavy mechanical overhauls aren't they?
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Post by phil on Apr 19, 2019 10:31:12 GMT
A reliable source on another forum has posted that five class 314 units (same family as the 313s being displaced on the GN and 315s on the GE) will get C4 repairs for use on the Goblin. If true, a worrying portent for the Aventra family and its introduction.
Given the 314s cannot be used on the GoBLin without training up a batch of Guards from scratch (due to the required platform mounted CCTV dispatch equipment not existing) then I fear that your 'reliable source' is mistaken.
What HAS been said is that with the 710s running late and the less than wonderful reliability of the inherited 315 fleet, Some 314s will be going to the West Anglia routes - which DO have platform mounted CCTV kit - to bolster services. This buys time for Bombardier to get the 710s fully sorted and to prioritise the GoBLin line.
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Post by Chris M on Apr 19, 2019 11:12:33 GMT
I've been seeing variations on this story for about a month now, despite it being explained every time that 314s (like all units without in-cab CCTV and bodyside cameras) are not practical for the Goblin.
It has always been assumed that the 314s were actually just going to be used to supply parts for the 313s and/or 315s to keep them in service longer, but if they are getting heavy overhauls (something I've not seen previously mentioned) then what Phil says is more likely.
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Post by snoggle on Apr 19, 2019 14:51:36 GMT
I've been seeing variations on this story for about a month now, despite it being explained every time that 314s (like all units without in-cab CCTV and bodyside cameras) are not practical for the Goblin. It has always been assumed that the 314s were actually just going to be used to supply parts for the 313s and/or 315s to keep them in service longer, but if they are getting heavy overhauls (something I've not seen previously mentioned) then what Phil says is more likely. The first time I saw it was on a post dated 1 April 2019 so I somewhat discounted it for rather obvious reasons. A possible aid to class 315s I hadn't considered so there is some logic there but where's the money coming from for this? Bombardier? I must admit to remaining a bit sceptical about this idea but time will tell. Oh and I'm not criticising any previous points.  |
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Post by goldenarrow on Apr 19, 2019 16:55:31 GMT
Ex-TfL Rail unit 315 858 has already been reprimanded for service on the Overground Lea Valley lines following sustained damage to the pantograph of native unit 315 813. If any units were to supplement the legacy fleet on the Lea Valley it would be from TFL Rail (pendging 345's getting their act together of course) given the comparatively lower costs of fleet integration compared to the Scottish units or even the 313s coming of the Northern City Line.
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Post by nopixar on Apr 19, 2019 17:38:00 GMT
As a driver of the units I can confirm 314s to LO is complete rubbish.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Apr 19, 2019 18:30:19 GMT
Ex-TfL Rail unit 315 858 has already been reprimanded Requisitioned? Reallocated? The 314s are going for component recovery/scrap. It's possible bits of them may turn up in the 315s. |
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Post by superteacher on Apr 19, 2019 18:54:23 GMT
Ex-TfL Rail unit 315 858 has already been reprimanded Requisitioned? Reallocated? The 314s are going for component recovery/scrap. It's possible bits of them may turn up in the 315s. Perhaps it was sent to the naughty step . . . |
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Post by goldenarrow on Apr 19, 2019 19:08:32 GMT
Ex-TfL Rail unit 315 858 has already been reprimanded Requisitioned? Reallocated? The 314s are going for component recovery/scrap. It's possible bits of them may turn up in the 315s. Requisitioned? Reallocated? The 314s are going for component recovery/scrap. It's possible bits of them may turn up in the 315s. Perhaps it was sent to the naughty step . . . I used reprimanded in the ironic sense because a little piece of salvation has been afforded to the Lea Valley fleet not by a train of the future, but one from 1981. |
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Post by Chris L on Apr 19, 2019 20:17:47 GMT
That's probably the unit that has very poorly applied OVERGROUND roundels over the TfL RAIL ones.
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Post by 35b on Apr 19, 2019 20:26:49 GMT
I've been seeing variations on this story for about a month now, despite it being explained every time that 314s (like all units without in-cab CCTV and bodyside cameras) are not practical for the Goblin. It has always been assumed that the 314s were actually just going to be used to supply parts for the 313s and/or 315s to keep them in service longer, but if they are getting heavy overhauls (something I've not seen previously mentioned) then what Phil says is more likely. I’d also taken that view, but the source was sufficiently reliable that it was worth repeating. I’m happy to be corrected. |
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Post by silenthunter on Apr 19, 2019 20:36:20 GMT
One 314 is being converted for Driver Training for GWR... and I think we'd better move that to another thread before the mods turn up.
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Post by superteacher on Apr 19, 2019 20:56:46 GMT
One 314 is being converted for Driver Training for GWR... and I think we'd better move that to another thread before the mods turn up. You make us sound like the heavy mob . . . 😂😂 |
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Post by Chris M on Apr 19, 2019 21:31:26 GMT
One 314 is being converted for Driver Training for GWR... and I think we'd better move that to another thread before the mods turn up. You make us sound like the heavy mob . . . 😂😂 You mean you aren't? Why else would you have whistlekiller2000 on the team? |
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Post by rincew1nd on Apr 19, 2019 22:00:20 GMT
He's not on the mod team any more!
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Post by superteacher on Apr 20, 2019 11:21:16 GMT
He's not on the mod team any more! Indeed - now upstairs with his pipe, slippers and brandy . . .  |
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Post by alpinejohn on Apr 23, 2019 9:32:19 GMT
Perhaps no surprise comes news today (twitter) that recycled D Stock (class D230s) have now entered into passenger service with LNWR. Meantime fancy brand new 710s whizz past platforms on GOBLIN without a single fare paying passenger aboard.
Perhaps it is fair to say well done to LNWR and VivaRail, as for the 710s I hope it will not be too many more weeks before they too enter passenger service.
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Post by John Tuthill on Apr 23, 2019 9:38:31 GMT
Perhaps no surprise comes news today (twitter) that recycled D Stock (class D230s) have now entered into passenger service with LNWR. Meantime fancy brand new 710s whizz past platforms on GOBLIN without a single fare paying passenger aboard. Perhaps it is fair to say well done to LNWR and VivaRail, as for the 710s I hope it will not be too many more weeks before they too enter passenger service. By the time the 710s are in service, they will be running as 'Heritage Trains'  |
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Post by superteacher on Apr 23, 2019 17:52:49 GMT
Perhaps no surprise comes news today (twitter) that recycled D Stock (class D230s) have now entered into passenger service with LNWR. Meantime fancy brand new 710s whizz past platforms on GOBLIN without a single fare paying passenger aboard. Perhaps it is fair to say well done to LNWR and VivaRail, as for the 710s I hope it will not be too many more weeks before they too enter passenger service. D stock on the GOBLIN. There’s a thought! |
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