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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 28, 2015 6:11:54 GMT
What would be useful here would be if stations with toilets were identified on maps. Simon Card/pocket LU Tube Maps carry this information in the list of stations. |
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Post by towerman on Aug 28, 2015 11:36:48 GMT
Still can't see the need for 24hr running at weekends,there's a perfectly adequate night bus service in most areas of London.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 28, 2015 12:54:50 GMT
Still can't see the need for 24hr running at weekends,there's a perfectly adequate night bus service in most areas of London. ........which will get most people nearer to their door than the Tube ever could. And it will be less frequent in future. |
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Post by North End on Aug 28, 2015 12:59:41 GMT
Still can't see the need for 24hr running at weekends,there's a perfectly adequate night bus service in most areas of London. ........which will get most people nearer to their door than the Tube ever could. And it will be less frequent in future. And cheaper as well. Bear in mind the Night Tube is supposedly aimed at "low-paid shift workers". I don't see the point in it. Night Buses are generally fast as they don't stop as frequently as buses during the day, and generally don't get impeded by traffic congestion. In government terms, the reported economic benefits of Night Tube are minimal. |
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 28, 2015 13:59:51 GMT
It's Bojo's vanity project, after Boris Bikes and Boris Buses.
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Post by superteacher on Aug 28, 2015 14:55:34 GMT
It's Bojo's vanity project, after Boris Bikes and Boris Buses. I agree to a certain extent and the reasons are probably politically motivated, especially with the Boris buses. However, surely Night Tube can benefit London? I take the point about night buses, but trains have more capacity than buses and even in the early hours will be considerably quicker, especially to stations further out. |
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Post by theblackferret on Aug 28, 2015 15:39:29 GMT
What's always concerned me about this idea, apart from safety, is that I've yet to see any convincing evidence, and probably any evidence at all, that the majority of Londoners want it, let alone would be likely to use it.
This to me is a major sea-change in the way things operate, that a very small minority who will be burnt out before they're 40, want on their wish-list. Yes, I know not everybody in London is in bed by 11:30 pm, but the fact is the vast majority are, unless someone somewhere has been altering the natural circadian rhythms of the human being and letting the resultant droids loose in the ponceification suburbs.
Sorry, rant over.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 28, 2015 15:42:42 GMT
I take the point about night buses, but trains have more capacity than buses and even in the early hours will be considerably quicker, especially to stations further out. Possibly, but you have to bear in mind the longer walk (on average) from the nearest Tube station compared to the nearest bus stop. And unless the Night tube is really popular, I can't imagine capacity will be an issue. Night buses can be surprisingly quick when they have the roads to themselves |
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Post by Dom K on Aug 28, 2015 16:02:06 GMT
What you have to remember that as part of the weekend night tube will also be day bus routes with night time service. This will mean that people can use these bus services as they would during the day to complete their journey!
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 28, 2015 16:20:27 GMT
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Post by Dom K on Aug 28, 2015 16:46:31 GMT
I don't have access to links and such to back me up, however I am fully aware of the current 24 hour bus services. It is also important to note that the standard have a history of sensationalising headlines and stories. Yes some current night services will have reductions, but not MANY. Of those having reductions, these night bus routes parallel tube lines.
Maybe I wasn't clear before. Routes such as W3, W7 and 123 as an example will have through the night service when the tube is 24 hours. This is in addition to the current night bus service offering.
I'm not going to stand here and say there are no cuts, but I don't think it's the doom and gloom that is being portrayed
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Post by Tomcakes on Aug 28, 2015 22:51:01 GMT
What you have to remember that as part of the weekend night tube will also be day bus routes with night time service. This will mean that people can use these bus services as they would during the day to complete their journey! Although if they are not frequent, it may be that people don't bother and walk (for a short journey) or don't bother and get the nightbus the whole way (for a longer one). For example, you mention the W7 - a passenger destined for Crouch End who is coming from (say) King's Cross would probably find it about equal to get the night tube, wait for a bus, to go home - rather than getting the Night 91 which can be extremely nippy! If it goes ahead it would benefit me early on Sunday mornings, but again the aforementioned night 91 is very fast at that time of day! |
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Post by superteacher on Aug 30, 2015 14:14:51 GMT
Discussion in this thread on night tube introduction. Please use separate thread to discuss ticket office closures and associated changes to ticketing arrangements.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 2:06:38 GMT
Travel time for me from Vauxhall on Saturday night Night bus: roughly 1.5 hours Day time tube: 25 minutes Night tube (worst case of waiting for 10 minutes everywhere): 40-45 minutes Guess which one I prefer? And even if my generation of clubbers will 'burn out' before 40 (because of course we are all drunkards and junkies  ), there will next one that will take out place. Not to mention that there are plenty of more societally acceptable activities that will benefit from night tube, like late night movies or museum late, etc. |
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Post by stapler on Aug 31, 2015 7:16:04 GMT
Loughton is one place unserved since 1998 by a night bus, but which is due to get 3tph night tube. Likely to be very popular. Ditto in Buckhurst Hill.
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Post by peterc on Aug 31, 2015 12:52:07 GMT
I do a fair bit of front of house work and watching how (non clubbing) punters start to leave at around 10:30 it looks like the key thing isn't the last departure from zone 1, rather it is the last leg from the home station to the front door.
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Post by rheostar on Sept 1, 2015 7:50:36 GMT
When my son and his friends were looking for a flat in London recently, apart from cost, the main criteria was that any place they rented was close to a Night Tube line.
From what he's been saying, they're not the only ones.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Sept 1, 2015 9:17:25 GMT
When my son and his friends were looking for a flat in London recently, apart from cost, the main criteria was that any place they rented was close to a Night Tube line. From what he's been saying, they're not the only ones. I've been given the same reasoning by my youngest daughter who has now moved to London. She says her circle of friends down there, especially those in the outer areas are a bit annoyed that the start date has been put back. |
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Post by snoggle on Sept 1, 2015 9:53:42 GMT
When my son and his friends were looking for a flat in London recently, apart from cost, the main criteria was that any place they rented was close to a Night Tube line. From what he's been saying, they're not the only ones. Without wishing to appear rude I'd suggest there are rather more pressing priorities about choosing where to live than whether you get a tube service two overnights a week. Things like local amenities, the council tax levels, crime rate, insurance costs, daytime transport provision. Are people incapable of getting home by other means? I think I must be getting old and grumpy. |
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Post by theblackferret on Sept 1, 2015 10:22:57 GMT
When my son and his friends were looking for a flat in London recently, apart from cost, the main criteria was that any place they rented was close to a Night Tube line. From what he's been saying, they're not the only ones. Without wishing to appear rude I'd suggest there are rather more pressing priorities about choosing where to live than whether you get a tube service two overnights a week. Things like local amenities, the council tax levels, crime rate, insurance costs, daytime transport provision. Are people incapable of getting home by other means? I think I must be getting old and grumpy. We might also ask who is going to pay for our State pensions if all these bright young things burn themselves out before they are forty, by grooving the night away an extra couple of nights a week and getting the Tube home afterwards? Not to mention who is going to pay their pensions? |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Sept 1, 2015 11:20:45 GMT
When my son and his friends were looking for a flat in London recently, apart from cost, the main criteria was that any place they rented was close to a Night Tube line. From what he's been saying, they're not the only ones. Lightweights. The real party animals should live in Croydon or Cricklewood, which have an all night train service six nights a week! We might also ask who is going to pay for our State pensions if all these bright young things burn themselves out before they are forty, by grooving the night away an extra couple of nights a week and getting the Tube home afterwards? Perhaps the idea is that they won't burn out so fast if they get home earlier on the Night Tube than they would on the Night Bus? |
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Post by rheostar on Sept 1, 2015 11:27:21 GMT
When my son and his friends were looking for a flat in London recently, apart from cost, the main criteria was that any place they rented was close to a Night Tube line. From what he's been saying, they're not the only ones. Lightweights. The real party animals should live in Croydon, which has an all night train service every night of the week! Croydon's south of the river. In my A-Z it says 'There be dragons' for south of the Thames. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Sept 1, 2015 11:32:58 GMT
Croydon's south of the river. In my A-Z it says 'There be dragons' for south of the Thames. No dragons in Cricklewood, Hendon, Mill Hill, Elstree or Borehamwood though. |
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Post by MoreToJack on Sept 1, 2015 16:51:05 GMT
Croydon's south of the river. In my A-Z it says 'There be dragons' for south of the Thames. No dragons in Cricklewood, Hendon, Mill Hill, Elstree or Borehamwood though. 'Ere, we don't be wanting any of these young whippersnappers up Cricklewood way. I like my train home after work to be nice and quiet and not (even more) full of drunkards! ;-) |
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Post by graeme186 on Sept 1, 2015 20:22:17 GMT
Would I be correct in saying that the decision to delay the introduction of the Night Tube will mean that the other changes incorporated in Central line WTT68 will similarly be delayed? My query also concerns the further improvements (excluding the Night Tube) that were scheduled to be introduced on the Victoria Line this weekend.
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Post by ashlar on Sept 1, 2015 20:46:03 GMT
Tom Edwards on the BBC news today was (perhaps over optimistically) implying that the industrial dispute is moving towards agreement, so maybe we will see the night tube before Christmas!
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Post by superteacher on Sept 1, 2015 21:01:45 GMT
You are correct. Because the new timetables require new rosters centred around night tube, they can't be introduced partially. So the existing timetables will continue until Night Tube is introduced, which is another story altogether!
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Post by graeme186 on Sept 1, 2015 21:22:30 GMT
You are correct. Because the new timetables require new rosters centred around night tube, they can't be introduced partially. So the existing timetables will continue until Night Tube is introduced, which is another story altogether! I thought that might be the case. Thank you very much indeed for the confirmation. |
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Post by rheostar on Sept 2, 2015 7:12:12 GMT
Assuming there's agreement with the unions over Night Tube, the sensible date to bring in NT would be in mid December when we change the timetables anyway.
Mind you, LU doesn't always do the sensible thing.
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Post by superteacher on Sept 2, 2015 18:29:31 GMT
Assuming there's agreement with the unions over Night Tube, the sensible date to bring in NT would be in mid December when we change the timetables anyway. Mind you, LU doesn't always do the sensible thing. Underground timetables don't usually change in December. National rail do. |
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