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Post by Deep Level on Dec 20, 2017 18:42:39 GMT
Saw my first Night Tube Line Diagram on the Central Line today. It was a nice touch however I think having the rest of the Central Line on it greyed out seemed a bit unneeded, personally I think it suggests a limited service to these sections.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2017 17:03:08 GMT
Can we see a picture of it please?
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Post by Deep Level on Dec 23, 2017 19:22:20 GMT
Unfortunately it was rush hour and I was squeezed against the glass :/.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Dec 24, 2017 10:06:09 GMT
They're cancelling Night Tube trains on the Central Line for lack of drivers, there's no way they can expand the service at the moment.
One Saturday I was spare, I was given a Hainault duty which finished in the depot at 00:17, the official walking time from the depot to the platform is 14 minutes so technically I would be too late for the 00:30 departure and would have to catch the 00:50 which would get me back to Leytonstone for 01:05, two minutes before my booking off time. Both the 00:30 and the 00:50 were cancelled due to lack of drivers so instead they had to book a taxi back to Leytonstone so I could finish on time!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2017 11:10:01 GMT
Thats ridiculous. One of my friends who is a driver has told me about this. He personally wants to just shut down night tube and expand night buses unless it can be done right and be done well with the right amount of drivers, he doesn't care if he has to work through the night though. He says adding the overground was also such a pointless decision because now people expect the rest of the overground (which TFL don't own) to join by the end of next year. The way he put it, night tube is kinda becoming a mess and TFL needs to sit down with the unions and sort things out properly
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Post by rincew1nd on Dec 24, 2017 13:41:27 GMT
Thats ridiculous. One of my friends who is a driver has told me about this. He personally wants to just shut down night tube and expand night buses unless it can be done right and be done well with the right amount of drivers, he doesn't care if he has to work through the night though. He says adding the overground was also such a pointless decision because now people expect the rest of the overground (which TFL don't own) to join by the end of next year. The way he put it, night tube is kinda becoming a mess and TFL needs to sit down with the unions and sort things out properly I'm sure the above is just copied and pasted from page one of this thread!  |
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Post by goldenarrow on Dec 24, 2017 16:48:24 GMT
Can we see a picture of it please? Was somebody after one of these? Photo from Andy Carters "Calling All Stations (CAS)" Blog.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2017 22:42:05 GMT
Awesome, have any of the other lines had Night Tube CLD's put up in the trains? Seems like it is taking TfL a while to get them in place as the Night Tube has been in operation for more than a year already.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2017 23:49:23 GMT
Thats ridiculous. One of my friends who is a driver has told me about this. He personally wants to just shut down night tube and expand night buses unless it can be done right and be done well with the right amount of drivers, he doesn't care if he has to work through the night though. He says adding the overground was also such a pointless decision because now people expect the rest of the overground (which TFL don't own) to join by the end of next year. The way he put it, night tube is kinda becoming a mess and TFL needs to sit down with the unions and sort things out properly I'm sure the above is just copied and pasted from page one of this thread! I can assure you it's not  we were speaking about it over coffee just last Thursday. |
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Post by goldenarrow on Dec 25, 2017 1:39:20 GMT
Awesome, have any of the other lines had Night Tube CLD's put up in the trains? Seems like it is taking TfL a while to get them in place as the Night Tube has been in operation for more than a year already. There have been some popping up on refurbished Jubilee line units, I know that the Night CLDs for the Jubilee were understandably withheld for over a year due to to the ongoing refurbishment programme for the 1996 stock. Can't ascertain wether I've seen any on the Northern line yet. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2017 1:52:42 GMT
Would appreciate pictures of the other lines as and when they appear. Tnx.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Dec 25, 2017 8:12:51 GMT
Thats ridiculous. One of my friends who is a driver has told me about this. He personally wants to just shut down night tube and expand night buses unless it can be done right and be done well with the right amount of drivers, he doesn't care if he has to work through the night though. He says adding the overground was also such a pointless decision because now people expect the rest of the overground (which TFL don't own) to join by the end of next year. The way he put it, night tube is kinda becoming a mess and TFL needs to sit down with the unions and sort things out properly Night Tube isn't going to get shut down, its been more popular than expected and it will be expanded to the other lines (and possibly other branches) as they become feasible. Opening the "East London" stretch of the Overground provides a service for the students in New Cross and the hipsters in Shoreditch/Dalston, the rest is Network Rail and like the top end of the Bakerloo is not under TfL's control. DLR is due to start a night service in 2021. The problem with Night Buses is they are slower and with lower capacity; you can cram about 80-90 people on a double decker whereas on a Central Line train 80-90 people isn't even 10% capacity. You'd need more bus drivers who'd have to be paid for and they're on roughly the same as a part time Tube driver plus any expansion of the Night Bus network would involve re-negotiation of contracts with any number of the nine different private bus companies. TfL sat down with the unions and the unions refused to agree to full time drivers working Night Tube at the normal rate so instead they hired part timers. Unfortunately they're having problems retaining the part timers, some find working Friday and Saturday nights a lot harder than they anticipated, others find being stuck in the cab on their own for hours at a time too isolating while others want to progress to full time driver. This last one has been exacerbated by a shortage of full time drivers giving the part timers plenty of opportunity for promotion. All TfL can do is keep recruiting more drivers but that costs money and with the government due to cut all subsidy to TfL as of next year money is in short supply. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 25, 2017 8:37:33 GMT
I know that the Night CLDs for this line were understandably withheld for over a year . Central Line Driver? C?  Line Diagram? |
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Post by MoreToJack on Dec 25, 2017 14:20:51 GMT
I know that the Night CLDs for this line were understandably withheld for over a year . Central Line Driver? C? Line Diagram? Car Line Diagrams. |
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Post by snoggle on Dec 25, 2017 16:46:39 GMT
Night Tube isn't going to get shut down, its been more popular than expected and it will be expanded to the other lines (and possibly other branches) as they become feasible. Opening the "East London" stretch of the Overground provides a service for the students in New Cross and the hipsters in Shoreditch/Dalston, the rest is Network Rail and like the top end of the Bakerloo is not under TfL's control. DLR is due to start a night service in 2021. The problem with Night Buses is they are slower and with lower capacity; you can cram about 80-90 people on a double decker whereas on a Central Line train 80-90 people isn't even 10% capacity. You'd need more bus drivers who'd have to be paid for and they're on roughly the same as a part time Tube driver plus any expansion of the Night Bus network would involve re-negotiation of contracts with any number of the nine different private bus companies. TfL sat down with the unions and the unions refused to agree to full time drivers working Night Tube at the normal rate so instead they hired part timers. Unfortunately they're having problems retaining the part timers, some find working Friday and Saturday nights a lot harder than they anticipated, others find being stuck in the cab on their own for hours at a time too isolating while others want to progress to full time driver. This last one has been exacerbated by a shortage of full time drivers giving the part timers plenty of opportunity for promotion. All TfL can do is keep recruiting more drivers but that costs money and with the government due to cut all subsidy to TfL as of next year money is in short supply. The other problem is that TfL are now systematically hacking the Night Bus network back to minimal levels including on nights when there is no night Tube. Some routes have seen cuts of 50-66% in terms of frequency (and thus capacity). It's appalling and puts parts of the night bus network back nearly 20 years. TfL have also said publicly that some (low use) night bus routes will be withdrawn. The fact that the Night Tube is clearly struggling with significant staffing issues is just another insult to those people who actually *need* to get around at night. I understand all the points you make about relative capacity between modes and the obvious political context that sits behind Night Tube but this is just one enormous mistake. I wonder how long it will be before we get past the "emperor's new clothes" stage and people external to the enthusiast core start asking some pointed and pertinent questions about just what on earth is going on with the reach of the night transport network, its costs and the staffing issues.  |
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Post by castlebar on Dec 27, 2017 15:34:57 GMT
On 25th December, aslefshrugged said "Night Tube isn't going to get shut down, its been more popular than expected", and I chuckled because every time an expert makes traffic predictions, they seem to under estimate demand for the very thing they often didn't want to create. Sometimes, these people seem to go out of their way tp prevent anything innovative, and I won't go into off topic off piste discussion about the WLL here, but all I will say is that the Night Service Tube becomes another, repetitive example.
Having used a night Picc service last week, I can state that we felt safer using it at night than we would have on a Night Bus Service. All new services are bound to get teething issues, but it seems yet again, planners and experts were not ready to deal with success, as they didn't anticipate it
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Post by snoggle on Jan 17, 2018 14:06:08 GMT
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jun 8, 2020 11:11:53 GMT
TTNs Temporary Timetable Notices issued to commence Monday 6 July removing Night Tube services “until further notice” on Central, Jubilee, Northern, Piccadilly, Victoria.
Services last operated on morning of Sunday 15 March 2020
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Post by PiccNT on Jun 8, 2020 11:38:05 GMT
Yes, as mentioned in the Corona thread. I wonder what will happen with all those externals that have passed their assessments and are awaiting start dates? On hold until further notice I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 12:34:30 GMT
Recruitment is on hold
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Post by MoreToJack on Jun 8, 2020 15:44:31 GMT
Yes, as mentioned in the Corona thread. I wonder what will happen with all those externals that have passed their assessments and are awaiting start dates? On hold until further notice I guess. Anyone who had commenced training has been furloughed; CSA2 licenses were obtained just before this took place. Limited trainer resources will be directed towards CDP and the like once classroom based training can resume, which is expected shortly. There are still several stumbling blocks for 1-to-1 training (across all grades) to resume. External candidates waiting start dates will... continue to await start dates. |
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Post by 1018509 on Jul 18, 2020 16:54:52 GMT
What has happened to all the train operators taken on purely for the night tube?
Are there now lots of spare drivers?
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jul 18, 2020 18:38:27 GMT
They're all still doing their duties on Fridays and Saturdays but instead of running trains all night they put them away at close of traffic, sit around for ages and bring them out again in the morning.
Some have opted for temporary "secondment" to full time working, they do three "normal" shifts Monday - Thursday along with their Night Tube duties at the weekend and get paid the same as the full time drivers.
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we were speaking about it over coffee just last Thursday. 
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