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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2016 12:59:37 GMT
Wouldn't the DVA systems on the trains need to be updated for the night tube as well?
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Post by Jerome H on Aug 8, 2016 13:35:04 GMT
Wouldn't the DVA systems on the trains need to be updated for the night tube as well? I imagine that wouldn't be much of an issue on the Victoria line. I was surprised to hear London Overground suspended announcements from the DVA. I'm sure it's pretty easy to remove interchange lines from the code. The central probably took a lot more work. Either that or the driver will do most of the announcing. But that's all pure speculation on my part. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2016 18:10:32 GMT
Highbury & Islington station didn't open on Sunday morning (7th Aug) due to lack of staff. Will be interesting if that happens when night tube starts with trains running all night then non-stopping at 7am. They really need to sort it out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2016 18:04:49 GMT
Post is to do with lack of day staff. Strange to move it to this thread. <shrug>
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Post by superteacher on Aug 9, 2016 18:15:49 GMT
Post is to do with lack of day staff. Strange to move it to this thread. <shrug>
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Post by Tomcakes on Aug 9, 2016 19:02:48 GMT
Wouldn't the DVA systems on the trains need to be updated for the night tube as well? I imagine that wouldn't be much of an issue on the Victoria line. I was surprised to hear London Overground suspended announcements from the DVA. I'm sure it's pretty easy to remove interchange lines from the code. The central probably took a lot more work. Either that or the driver will do most of the announcing. But that's all pure speculation on my part. The current DVA on the Victoria line provides comprehensive information on suspensions - although it can be so extensive that there isn't time to announce the destination of the train etc until leaving the station (though, nowadays, trains turning at Seven Sisters are like hen's teeth). "This is Warren Street. Change here for the Northern line. Exit for UCH. The Circle line is currently operating with Severe Delays. The Metropolitan Line is currently operating with Severe Delays. The Hammersmith & City line is currently operating with Severe Delays. National rail services from Tottenham Hale are suspended. Blackhorse Road has no step free access due to staff shortage" etc! |
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Post by snoggle on Aug 9, 2016 22:37:53 GMT
The current DVA on the Victoria line provides comprehensive information on suspensions - although it can be so extensive that there isn't time to announce the destination of the train etc until leaving the station (though, nowadays, trains turning at Seven Sisters are like hen's teeth). "This is Warren Street. Change here for the Northern line. Exit for UCH. The Circle line is currently operating with Severe Delays. The Metropolitan Line is currently operating with Severe Delays. The Hammersmith & City line is currently operating with Severe Delays. National rail services from Tottenham Hale are suspended. Blackhorse Road has no step free access due to staff shortage" etc! By gum they sneaked that new lift in at Blackhorse Rd when I wasn't looking.    Are there any "whispers" about people holding "events" or "parties" on the Night Tube services when they start? Not that I want to take part just wondering if anything is being planned. |
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Post by Jerome H on Aug 10, 2016 0:22:10 GMT
Are there any "whispers" about people holding "events" or "parties" on the Night Tube services when they start? Not that I want to take part just wondering if anything is being planned. The ex-mayor is rumored to be doing a victory lap, riding a Boris Bike as a race against the first timetabled service. And I'm sure management will be celebrating. Well not overnight managers, but there you go! |
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Post by rheostar on Aug 10, 2016 7:09:13 GMT
Highbury & Islington station didn't open on Sunday morning (7th Aug) due to lack of staff. Will be interesting if that happens when night tube starts with trains running all night then non-stopping at 7am. They really need to sort it out. Post moved here from separate thread.It's an inconvenience, not a major problem. Trains will non stop that station from 07:00 until staff come in, as happens now first thing in the morning. |
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Post by Tomcakes on Aug 12, 2016 22:12:48 GMT
Highbury & Islington station didn't open on Sunday morning (7th Aug) due to lack of staff. Will be interesting if that happens when night tube starts with trains running all night then non-stopping at 7am. They really need to sort it out. Post moved here from separate thread.It's an inconvenience, not a major problem. Trains will non stop that station from 07:00 until staff come in, as happens now first thing in the morning. It is a considerable inconvenience to a passenger who is likely to have no other option anyway (as, being a weekend, alternative routes may well be suspended). Are such closures monitored so that, if a particular station is regularly closed due to non availability of staff, action is taken? |
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Post by rheostar on Aug 13, 2016 6:57:27 GMT
It's an inconvenience, not a major problem. Trains will non stop that station from 07:00 until staff come in, as happens now first thing in the morning. It is a considerable inconvenience to a passenger who is likely to have no other option anyway (as, being a weekend, alternative routes may well be suspended). Are such closures monitored so that, if a particular station is regularly closed due to non availability of staff, action is taken? I agree, to a customer it's very inconvenient. However, the average time a station's shut due to lack of staff is about 10 minutes. About 90% of the time it's someone been delayed coming into work (over sleeping, missed their bus/train etc). In these instances, other staff are moved from one station to another to keep them open until the missing member staff arrives. |
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Post by crusty54 on Aug 13, 2016 7:35:47 GMT
Are there any "whispers" about people holding "events" or "parties" on the Night Tube services when they start? Not that I want to take part just wondering if anything is being planned. The ex-mayor is rumored to be doing a victory lap, riding a Boris Bike as a race against the first timetabled service. And I'm sure management will be celebrating. Well not overnight managers, but there you go! It should be remembered that consuming alcohol is banned on the Tube. |
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Post by trt on Aug 13, 2016 14:07:50 GMT
Isn't that "having an open container of alcohol" rather than consumption?
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It's both consumption and transport!
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Post by patrickb on Aug 13, 2016 14:57:30 GMT
Isn't that "having an open container of alcohol" rather than consumption? --EDIT-- It's both consumption and transport! Obviously not everyone will play by the rule book and try the ol' fanta bottle and rolled up newspaper trick. Expect a lot of Code 2's and 4's or both! especially towards the platform ends. |
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Post by snoggle on Aug 13, 2016 15:04:00 GMT
Isn't that "having an open container of alcohol" rather than consumption? --EDIT-- It's both consumption and transport! No it isn't. It's perfectly OK to carry closed containers of alcohol otherwise people couldn't carry any alcohol with them at all. That's unreasonable given it's perfectly legal to buy alcohol and take it home with you. I'd also argue it's unenforceable but it's also clear that no one bothers with enforcing the existing provisions of the "alcohol ban". It was always pointless and the worst form of "gesture politics". From the TfL conditions of carriage |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Aug 13, 2016 16:17:13 GMT
And of course, it's still perfectly legal to get on a tube train after drinking heavily for the entire day/night, three sheets to the wind and a potential timebomb, whereas if I fancied a small sherry on The Central Line I'd be up in front of the beak the following day.
"Drunk and disorderly" charges may be levelled, which are legitimate in any environment, not just the tube so I struggle to see why any seperate legislation is required. Oh hang on, I forgot, we're living in a society that can't function unless it creates duplicate rules for everything......it's all a load of dangly spheres in a bag.
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Post by Chris W on Aug 13, 2016 17:37:40 GMT
It's all about drawing attention to yourself, with the authorities then being able to use the powers to identify the cause/take action against that person.
In truth anyone sober would be able to take an opened bottle/hip flask without this being identified... but then again why would anyone sober take an open bottle/hip flask filled with alcohol with them unless they were reliant on alcohol.
I am aware that there will be more Police on duty to deal with issues. However I suspect that the vast majority of officers will be located at central transport hubs, rather than in the suburbs (I'm thinking Central Line here), to Police those who choose to drink en-route home.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 13, 2016 17:50:54 GMT
Isn't that "having an open container of alcohol" rather than consumption? Difficult to consume alcohol unless you have an open container of the stuff. Unless you intend to take it intravenously. |
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Post by patrickb on Aug 13, 2016 18:01:32 GMT
There will be plenty of intoxicated customers I'm sure. Knowing that they don't have to be at their station anymore by 00:15 gives them the extra hour or two of drinking time.
Hopefully all CSA's will be at hand to stop any disorderly customers from resuming their journeys. The few that don't get stopped are likely to be a risk to themselves or others...
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Post by Tomcakes on Aug 13, 2016 20:05:59 GMT
It is a considerable inconvenience to a passenger who is likely to have no other option anyway (as, being a weekend, alternative routes may well be suspended). Are such closures monitored so that, if a particular station is regularly closed due to non availability of staff, action is taken? I agree, to a customer it's very inconvenient. However, the average time a station's shut due to lack of staff is about 10 minutes. About 90% of the time it's someone been delayed coming into work (over sleeping, missed their bus/train etc). In these instances, other staff are moved from one station to another to keep them open until the missing member staff arrives. If this occurs at shift change times, are the previous staff not kept on until the next shift arrives? For the sake of the hassle and disruption of closing then re-opening when the next person comes in, wouldn't it be easier to just pay the person being relieved a little o/t (handsome, no doubt) for the short period until the latecomer arrives, or somebody else is found to fill in? |
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Post by Tomcakes on Aug 13, 2016 20:10:14 GMT
It's all about drawing attention to yourself, with the authorities then being able to use the powers to identify the cause/take action against that person. In truth anyone sober would be able to take an opened bottle/hip flask without this being identified... but then again why would anyone sober take an open bottle/hip flask filled with alcohol with them unless they were reliant on alcohol. I have seen people quietly drinking from bottles/cans late at night without causing annoyance to anybody else nor attracting the attention of staff. I assume, as you say, that if one is quietly going on a journey without causing anybody else grief, they are unlikely to be stopped (unless an especially bored / keen member of staff were on duty) whereas causing a rawkus would result in the full force of the rules being used. |
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Post by stapler on Aug 13, 2016 20:56:07 GMT
It should be interesting at Buckhurst Hill and Loughton, where 70% of the street lights are switched off at 0100 |
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Post by North End on Aug 14, 2016 0:17:13 GMT
I agree, to a customer it's very inconvenient. However, the average time a station's shut due to lack of staff is about 10 minutes. About 90% of the time it's someone been delayed coming into work (over sleeping, missed their bus/train etc). In these instances, other staff are moved from one station to another to keep them open until the missing member staff arrives. If this occurs at shift change times, are the previous staff not kept on until the next shift arrives? For the sake of the hassle and disruption of closing then re-opening when the next person comes in, wouldn't it be easier to just pay the person being relieved a little o/t (handsome, no doubt) for the short period until the latecomer arrives, or somebody else is found to fill in? If someone wants to do overtime. Someone who has somewhere to go (eg picking up kids from school) won't be able to help, and at present goodwill on the stations side is not exactly overflowing thanks to the Fit For The Future project, the financial benefit for a few minutes overtime isn't worthwhile. Meanwhile some staff simply don't do overtime. The only exception is train crews where overtime is compulsory until such time as they get taken off their train or the train gets put away. |
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Post by hobbayne on Aug 14, 2016 10:00:50 GMT
A lot of drivers turn a blind eye to drinking alcohol on their trains, including the bottles of cola with secretly added fermented vegetable products.
My only concern is (On the Central Line anyway) depositing drunken aggressive punters on the platforms at North Acton or Loughton and telling them theres no night tube to West Ruislp or Epping and waiting for the inevitable abuse.
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Post by stapler on Aug 14, 2016 10:37:19 GMT
Hobbayne, you may even get drunken punters on the platform at North Acton so disorientates they'd be thinking an Epping train will be along shortly.
The taxi firms at these places will be doing roaring business.
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Post by will on Aug 14, 2016 11:17:15 GMT
Does anyone know how the gost services that ran Friday and Saturday went? Thanks 😃
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2016 22:22:39 GMT
Does anyone know how the gost services that ran Friday and Saturday went? Thanks 😃 As far as the timetable holding up, it appeared to all go well. There were various scenarios through the night to test the system and as far as I'm aware there weren't any major issues. We should get an official debrief sometime this week. |
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Post by jimini on Aug 14, 2016 23:12:31 GMT
Just out of interest, has anyone seen any negative press yet about the noise from trains running all night after the test weekend? I live sufficiently far enough away from the central line (in South Woodford) for it to not be an issue, but I genuinely expect a fair few complaints from those who live in close proximity to lines to have a moan to some of the local rags. I don't know the west end of the central line all that well past White City, but the east end once it clears Leyton pretty much cuts its way through all manner of suburban (and nappy valley / NIMBY) areas.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2016 23:25:52 GMT
Just out of interest, has anyone seen any negative press yet about the noise from trains running all night after the test weekend? I live sufficiently far enough away from the central line (in South Woodford) for it to not be an issue, but I genuinely expect a fair few complaints from those who live in close proximity to lines to have a moan to some of the local rags. I don't know the west end of the central line all that well past White City, but the east end once it clears Leyton pretty much cuts its way through all manner of suburban (and nappy valley / NIMBY) areas. It's a fair point, if night tube ever comes to the Wimbledon road, I would not want to live in the houses right by the District line's viaduct. And it's not the only place. People living between Golders Green and Brent Cross right by the Northern line could well have a miserable time when it starts up. |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Aug 15, 2016 6:13:33 GMT
Just out of interest, has anyone seen any negative press yet about the noise from trains running all night after the test weekend? I live sufficiently far enough away from the central line (in South Woodford) for it to not be an issue, but I genuinely expect a fair few complaints from those who live in close proximity to lines to have a moan to some of the local rags. I don't know the west end of the central line all that well past White City, but the east end once it clears Leyton pretty much cuts its way through all manner of suburban (and nappy valley / NIMBY) areas. When I was little, and up to the age of 19 (1984) I lived very close to the Central Line between Woodford and Roding Valley stations. I can't say I ever really noticed the train noises in all that time (and the trains and track were a lot noisier back then) although when I visit nowadays (my Dad still lives there) I do. It's all down to conditioning I suppose. In the end no amount of negative press will interfere with the needs of the party animal. |
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