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Post by rsdworker on May 23, 2016 9:01:43 GMT
then the other lines in autumn BBC stated
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Post by snoggle on May 23, 2016 9:47:37 GMT
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Post by domh245 on May 23, 2016 9:52:19 GMT
I would guess that the 2 phases part is because it'll take longer for the Piccadilly night tube crews to do their road and stock training?
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Post by tubetraveller on May 23, 2016 13:29:13 GMT
Piccadilly line takes 14 weeks to train and the others take 12, so that could be why.
I imagine the Picc trains will need a little more tlc in preparation for night tube too
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Post by stapler on May 23, 2016 13:34:26 GMT
When the night tubes reach Loughton (and Buckhurst Hill), the streetlights are off! The thought of dozens of semi-paralytic beings wandering around in the dark does not bear thinking about...
Essex CC have been asked to use their super new central control to turn them on on Fris and Sats, but whether they do.....
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Post by trt on May 23, 2016 13:37:36 GMT
Are all the measures in place at interchange stations to prevent public ingress into non-operational areas?
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Post by PiccNT on May 23, 2016 15:54:49 GMT
I'm on the Piccadilly Line and finish at Ashfield at the end of this week. Along with 3 of my group, I think we are about the first to go to the Picc. Others in my group have got Central, Northern and Jubilee.
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Post by MoreToJack on May 23, 2016 17:32:13 GMT
Are all the measures in place at interchange stations to prevent public ingress into non-operational areas? The majority were in place by October (read: not actually in time for the September launch, despite the fact that the network was 'operationally ready'), but whether that is enough for the staged opening remains to be seen. Certainly in terms of King's Cross we still have outstanding issues in securing the Northern line during Night Tube hours (Bank branch not included), although existing methods should allow the Piccadilly to be isolated during the initial phase. I have no doubts, though, that other stations may have installations to block off non-Night Tube lines, but not the Piccadilly, Jubilee or Northern lines. We'll have to wait and see, but I wouldn't be surprised if quite a lot of overtime is offered out (or SRT brought in overnight...!) to man tensa barriers...  |
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Post by londonstuff on May 23, 2016 19:25:48 GMT
Does anyone know if anything is being done at Mile End, with the non-running District being right next to the Central line? It could be a Tensa situation. <groan>
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Post by superteacher on May 23, 2016 19:33:41 GMT
And Hammersmith? Barons Court?
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Post by rsdworker on May 23, 2016 20:05:04 GMT
prob simllar when engineering works - there should be a tape arcoss to close off the areas where island plaftorms impossible to close off part of it
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Post by Chris M on May 23, 2016 21:38:06 GMT
They use miles of red and white tape at Mile End when one or the other is shut for engineering works. If that's the every weekend solution I hope the tape is either dirt cheap or reusable.
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Post by Jerome H on May 24, 2016 1:19:25 GMT
They use miles of red and white tape at Mile End when one or the other is shut for engineering works. If that's the every weekend solution I hope the tape is either dirt cheap or reusable. Is it all that important to close off an island platform for the night tube? It would benefit any overnight engineering works, but it doesn't impede the service. If they do plan on closing the other platforms, I hope they go for a more permanent option, like a scissor barrier or something thats better than red and white tape |
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Post by punkman on May 24, 2016 6:34:18 GMT
I believe some of the first ex station staff have already passed their road tests on the Jubilee, and will now be "in limbo" before the now mooted autumn start date there. Presumably in real terms they will have taken a pay cut from when full time on stations; any idea if they are allowed to work elsewhere part time during the week to make up the balance? |
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Post by stapler on May 24, 2016 7:26:44 GMT
Scissor barriers at Mile End? What would they do to rush hour flows?
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Post by North End on May 24, 2016 10:33:51 GMT
I believe some of the first ex station staff have already passed their road tests on the Jubilee, and will now be "in limbo" before the now mooted autumn start date there. Presumably in real terms they will have taken a pay cut from when full time on stations; any idea if they are allowed to work elsewhere part time during the week to make up the balance? Those already qualified on the Jubilee Line are coming in for their night shifts, and will drive accompanied by an I/O *if one is available* - bear in mind there are only a handful of night turns and only a small proportion of drivers on a line are I/Os, so the odds of being able to do this in practice are fairly small. Otherwise they sit 'spare' but can't actually work a train. Needless to say, this is hardly a great use of limited funds in a time where TFL is supposed to be tightly managing spending. |
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Post by Jerome H on May 24, 2016 11:40:05 GMT
Scissor barriers at Mile End? What would they do to rush hour flows? They'd only be temporary, deployed for the overnights, since it's presumed that the District Part of the island platforms needs to be closed off some how. Just an idea really. Would most of the station staff who took the night tube job have been full time? |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 12:16:36 GMT
HI I am awaiting F/S CSA Night tube training ( which I hope will come in June or July? ) I have a few questions if anyone can help would be great:
1: As I will be Friday and Saturday nights only do you think it would be possible to pick up overtime shifts? I am aware of the 12 hour rule so on Monday – Thursday days or nights are fine with me. How do you get overtime?
2: When I start training do we get the travel pass day one?
3: Does anyone get the season ticket for overland travel outside of London? I’ll be coming from Essex and will need to use the train to get into central London. How does it work with the season ticket loan? I currently buy a weekly in and out.
4: What opportunities are there for further training? Within TFL as a CSA after the probation and what are the possibilities of promotion?
5: I have holiday booked for the 27th August (BANK HOLIDAY) will TFL Honour this I did not have this booked when I applied back in November?
Thanks for your help looking forward to joining soon.
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Post by MoreToJack on May 24, 2016 12:43:37 GMT
1: As I will be Friday and Saturday nights only do you think it would be possible to pick up overtime shifts? I am aware of the 12 hour rule so on Monday – Thursday days or nights are fine with me. How do you get overtime? Any overtime available will be sent out weekly with the 'final' sheets - i.e. what your final duties are. Realistically with Night Tube you'll know what these are already as there isn't as much variation as there is for full time staff. As long as you adhere to the Framework Agreement (12 hours between duties etc.) you can pick up these shifts. 2: When I start training do we get the travel pass day one? Yes. 3: Does anyone get the season ticket for overland travel outside of London? I’ll be coming from Essex and will need to use the train to get into central London. How does it work with the season ticket loan? I currently buy a weekly in and out. It is worth getting the annual ticket for the extra savings, particularly with the loan. However, this is taxable and you'll pay it back via the payroll. I'm not entirely sure how you get the loan and the exact costs as I travel with GTR which is a special case. 4: What opportunities are there for further training? Within TFL as a CSA after the probation and what are the possibilities of promotion? Things may change now Fit for the Future (Stations) is live, but there are additional training courses for stations such as TMS (Ticket Machine Servicing), First Aid and more. As soon as you pass your probation you can start to look at moving elsewhere, or nominating for full time work, but a word of warning that there hasn't been much available over the last 12 months, largely due to the FftF(S) changes and Night Tube. 5: I have holiday booked for the 27th August (BANK HOLIDAY) will TFL Honour this I did not have this booked when I applied back in November? This should be honoured, yes. Let your AG1 know any dates as soon as you meet them. |
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Post by trt on May 24, 2016 17:00:14 GMT
prob simllar when engineering works - there should be a tape arcoss to close off the areas where island plaftorms impossible to close off part of it I suppose it depends on the nature of the engineering works. I mean, if you've got grinders going with sparks flying every which way the only thing that would be effective is a solid barrier. If it's just refilling flange greasers, fluffing, changing posters etc. then it wouldn't matter if someone wandered in there by accident - apart from the whole culpability aspect etc. And then you've got the engineers actually going to and from their work area - they'd often have to use public areas. Hmm. Interesting times. |
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Post by Jerome H on May 24, 2016 18:21:19 GMT
prob simllar when engineering works - there should be a tape arcoss to close off the areas where island plaftorms impossible to close off part of it I suppose it depends on the nature of the engineering works. I mean, if you've got grinders going with sparks flying every which way the only thing that would be effective is a solid barrier. If it's just refilling flange greasers, fluffing, changing posters etc. then it wouldn't matter if someone wandered in there by accident - apart from the whole culpability aspect etc. And then you've got the engineers actually going to and from their work area - they'd often have to use public areas. Hmm. Interesting times. We do live in a time where engineering boundaries are very much political/legal. Since engineering sites are turned over to the contractor, and all the measures in place for protection, "closing off the site" will be something to watch. I'd bet that someone will make the argument that they can't work on the tracks because of a danger to the public, not matter how small or servere the issue. I worry how the tube will cope with a 60+ hour live run. Will more emergency works appear during the day or will some nights see severe delays to fix an issue that could be worse. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 18:27:22 GMT
I worry how the tube will cope with a 60+ hour live run. Will more emergency works appear during the day or will some nights see severe delays to fix an issue that could be worse. I think the "or" there might be a little optimistic |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 19:05:03 GMT
Would most of the station staff who took the night tube job have been full time?
I know several who were CSA nights who are doing their train op training.
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Post by Chris M on May 24, 2016 19:43:47 GMT
prob simllar when engineering works - there should be a tape arcoss to close off the areas where island plaftorms impossible to close off part of it I suppose it depends on the nature of the engineering works. I mean, if you've got grinders going with sparks flying every which way the only thing that would be effective is a solid barrier. If it's just refilling flange greasers, fluffing, changing posters etc. then it wouldn't matter if someone wandered in there by accident - apart from the whole culpability aspect etc. And then you've got the engineers actually going to and from their work area - they'd often have to use public areas. Hmm. Interesting times. I've seen rail welding (I think it was that) done on the closest c2c line while standing on the fully platform at Shadwell DLR, so that close is clearly OK. Whether that is because they are separate railways I don't know, but if it isn't then engineering work should be possible on lines not adjacent to platforms with no additional protection. For something like changing trackside posters then I'd be surprised if tensa barriers were not considered sufficient. Rail grinding I guess will be scheduled for times when night tube is not operating. |
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Post by patrickb on May 24, 2016 20:06:28 GMT
When the night tubes reach Loughton (and Buckhurst Hill), the streetlights are off! The thought of dozens of semi-paralytic beings wandering around in the dark does not bear thinking about... Essex CC have been asked to use their super new central control to turn them on on Fris and Sats, but whether they do..... I can keep you updated on that, as I will likely be using Buckhurst Hill Station when the Night Tube Starts. While the streets may be covered in complete darkness, said beings will likely opt for a Cab. Both Buckhurst Hill and Loughton Stations have Taxi Ranks which remain lit all night. I'm sure that the Uber People will be very happy about the increase in customers. Perhaps a few passengers will decide to walk the rest of their journey home, however I doubt that Essex CC will accommodate the needs of a minute number of passengers at their own expense... |
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Post by countryman on May 24, 2016 20:31:12 GMT
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 29, 2016 17:26:00 GMT
New Working Timetables will be introduced on the Central and Victoria Lines from Sunday 7 August - these are slightly different to the ones proposed to operate from 6 September 2015; now Central WTT69, Victoria WTT40. WTTs 68 and 39 will therefore remain unissued.
On Friday night/Saturday morning (12-13 August) and Saturday night/Sunday morning (13-14 August) trains will operate the full Night Tube services but with trains operating WITHOUT passengers.
Passenger Night Tube services will be introduced as planned, on Friday 19 August.
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Post by Chris M on May 29, 2016 18:59:29 GMT
What are the principal differences between these timetables and the ones originally planned?
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Post by sawb on May 29, 2016 20:09:53 GMT
New Working Timetables will be introduced on the Central and Victoria Lines from Sunday 7 August - these are slightly different to the ones proposed to operate from 6 September 2015; now Central WTT69, Victoria WTT40. WTTs 68 and 39 will therefore remain unissued. On Friday night/Saturday morning (12-13 August) and Saturday night/Sunday morning (13-14 August) trains will operate the full Night Tube services but with trains operating WITHOUT passengers. Passenger Night Tube services will be introduced as planned, on Friday 19 August. Any ideas why there's no soft launch with passengers? |
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Post by philthetube on May 29, 2016 21:04:02 GMT
It could be to give the drivers chance to work alone, as they have no experience
of working without an instructor.
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