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Post by patrickb on Feb 3, 2016 21:05:51 GMT
Does anyone remember the initial pay deal for workers on the Night Tube. I couldn't keep up with all the revised offers and was wondering what the unions agreed on exactly, that they didn't agree with before.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Feb 3, 2016 22:11:39 GMT
Does anyone remember the initial pay deal for workers on the Night Tube. I couldn't keep up with all the revised offers and was wondering what the unions agreed on exactly, that they didn't agree with before. I don't and I've haven't managed to find out so far. What I would say is that provided everybody is happy now, does it really matter anymore? I'd like to know for a matter of record but because that achieves little or nothing I'm having trouble justifying my curiosity to myself, let alone others. |
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Post by spsmiler on Feb 4, 2016 0:03:12 GMT
A lot of the bigger work which can't be completed during the week is usually done on a Saturday night due to the later start on a Sunday we usually get 1 sometimes 2 hours extra engineering hours and believe me it does help. For a example Acton Town Traction is usually off at 01:45 and we must be off the track by 04:10 (Mon - Fri) but with walking to the actual site of work then doing the actual work then clearing everything away and testing we would be lucky to get 1hr 40mins of any real work and it does go quickly. If a asset needs replacing a quick fix is usually applied until the next available engineering hours takes place if it so urgent that this can't happen then a normal service suspension will take place like it does now. This could become problematic if this window on a Saturday night is removed, surely... will we end up with more suspensions on Sunday morning whilst an emergency repair happens? It is especially galling when services are suspended at weekend when alternative routes are often already suspended for engineering. That will really peeve people catching early morning flights from airports or trains from Central London mainline stations. Especially those without fully flexible tickets who turn up at a suburban station in the morning allowing plenty of time for an underground journey to the Central London mainline railway terminus and for whom the service suspension means that they miss their booked train. Simon |
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Post by superteacher on Mar 1, 2016 18:43:10 GMT
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Post by ashlar on Mar 1, 2016 23:45:18 GMT
Progress indeed! Now that the major stumbling block of union opposition is out of the way, how long before the Night Tube kicks off? Presumably before the mayoral election?
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Post by philthetube on Mar 2, 2016 8:21:40 GMT
I cannot see it happening in less than six months, drivers have not yet been employed and there is a 16 week training period for them, and I don't imagine it will be possible to train them all without some staggering of courses.
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Post by snoggle on Mar 2, 2016 9:20:14 GMT
Progress indeed! Now that the major stumbling block of union opposition is out of the way, how long before the Night Tube kicks off? Presumably before the mayoral election? You mean before purdah kicks in in 19 days? No planned big news announcements or events are allowed to happen during the election campaign in case they influence the outcome. TfL have had 60+ consultations open but they all close come 20 March and I don't expect anything new to emerge until after the election. Introducing the night tube would be a complete "no no" - remember the nonsense about "officially" opening part of the ELL during an election campaign in 2010? As others have said I doubt all the staff and rosters are in place nor are all the signage etc changes ready. It'll be several months before it starts - assuming the remaining unions agree to LU's pay and conditions package. |
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Post by pitdiver on Mar 2, 2016 11:23:14 GMT
Progress indeed! Now that the major stumbling block of union opposition is out of the way, how long before the Night Tube kicks off? Presumably before the mayoral election? You mean before purdah kicks in in 19 days? No planned big news announcements or events are allowed to happen during the election campaign in case they influence the outcome. TfL have had 60+ consultations open but they all close come 20 March and I don't expect anything new to emerge until after the election. Introducing the night tube would be a complete "no no" - remember the nonsense about "officially" opening part of the ELL during an election campaign in 2010? As others have said I doubt all the staff and rosters are in place nor are all the signage etc changes ready. It'll be several months before it starts - assuming the remaining unions agree to LU's pay and conditions package. Could it not be put as an announcement from the "Mayor Of London" without mentioning any person. I seem to remember that this what could be done when I worked for TfL. |
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Post by snoggle on Mar 2, 2016 15:34:52 GMT
You mean before purdah kicks in in 19 days? No planned big news announcements or events are allowed to happen during the election campaign in case they influence the outcome. TfL have had 60+ consultations open but they all close come 20 March and I don't expect anything new to emerge until after the election. Introducing the night tube would be a complete "no no" - remember the nonsense about "officially" opening part of the ELL during an election campaign in 2010? As others have said I doubt all the staff and rosters are in place nor are all the signage etc changes ready. It'll be several months before it starts - assuming the remaining unions agree to LU's pay and conditions package. Could it not be put as an announcement from the "Mayor Of London" without mentioning any person. I seem to remember that this what could be done when I worked for TfL. Doubtful given it is a policy clearly associated with the current Mayor and would be associated with a great deal of publicity and media attention. TfL don't even hold any regular meetings during the pre-election/election period and leave a period afterwards so no major decisions are taken. Obviously this time the new Mayor may well restructure the Board and make other changes once elected. |
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Post by trt on Mar 3, 2016 11:13:55 GMT
Doubtful given it is a policy clearly associated with the current Mayor ... For the record, I don't want to go anywhere near a "Boris tube". |
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Post by John Tuthill on Mar 3, 2016 12:04:33 GMT
Doubtful given it is a policy clearly associated with the current Mayor ... For the record, I don't want to go anywhere near a "Boris tube". Your safe. Access only to be carried out by a qualified proctologist.  |
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Post by trt on Mar 3, 2016 12:40:25 GMT
For the record, I don't want to go anywhere near a "Boris tube". Your safe. Access only to be carried out by a qualified proctologist. qualified certified proctologist. FTFY |
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Post by superteacher on Mar 3, 2016 20:31:45 GMT
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Post by North End on Mar 3, 2016 20:52:54 GMT
All this hassle to bring in something few appear to want or need. I don't see mass public disappointment that it didn't materialise last September - the reality is few care. Better for everyone to focus on providing the daytime service millions rely on. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 7, 2016 12:18:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2016 15:40:47 GMT
According to the BBC website night tube is start in July this year
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Post by patrickb on Mar 17, 2016 16:16:57 GMT
TfL Look eager to get some Train Op's ready for the Night Tube as soon as possible. Could explain why the want to open the Jubilee and Victoria Lines first, for they require less manual operation, therefore drivers require less training? Just a thought. It could explain why they won't be allowed to operate trains on other lines during the day time too.
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Post by North End on Mar 17, 2016 17:38:13 GMT
TfL Look eager to get some Train Op's ready for the Night Tube as soon as possible. Could explain why the want to open the Jubilee and Victoria Lines first, for they require less manual operation, therefore drivers require less training? Just a thought. It could explain why they won't be allowed to operate trains on other lines during the day time too. Part of the reason they don't want to start the Northern Line is because there are engineering works coming up on the Barnet branch, and it "looks bad" to bring in something then have to take it away almost immediately. Again proves how needless the Night Tube is seen to be, as if it was so valuable then they'd want to bring it in to benefit users on the Edgware, Charing Cross and Morden sections of the line. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Mar 17, 2016 19:00:12 GMT
TfL Look eager to get some Train Op's ready for the Night Tube as soon as possible. Could explain why the want to open the Jubilee and Victoria Lines first, for they require less manual operation, therefore drivers require less training? Just a thought. It could explain why they won't be allowed to operate trains on other lines during the day time too. I would hope that all Train Ops are equally qualified as others on the line. Can you imagine the headlines otherwise, "Service suspended as only driver available 'wasn't qualified to drive in daylight'" |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2016 19:16:56 GMT
Might find the drivers on the Picc won't be qualified on the Rayners Lane section as the night tube is not going there. But it seems madness not to have the same competency across all the drivers.
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Post by patrickb on Mar 17, 2016 19:45:38 GMT
I would hope that all Train Ops are equally qualified as others on the line. Oh I agree. It would be a disaster waiting to happen if otherwise. So I very much doubt that all Train Op's will be fully qualified by Late July. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Mar 17, 2016 20:27:17 GMT
Might find the drivers on the Picc won't be qualified on the Rayners Lane section as the night tube is not going there. But it seems madness not to have the same competency across all the drivers. Rayners would fall into line knowledge, in the same way that not all District t/ops sign all the green lines on the map. Having a separate competency of course means that someone has to write a separate competency, then get it approved; as you say madness! I'm certain this isn't the case. |
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Post by theblackferret on Mar 17, 2016 20:41:24 GMT
Might find the drivers on the Picc won't be qualified on the Rayners Lane section as the night tube is not going there. But it seems madness not to have the same competency across all the drivers. Rayners would fall into line knowledge, in the same way that not all District t/ops sign all the green lines on the map. Having a separate competency of course means that someone has to write a separate competency, then get it approved; as you say madness! I'm certain this isn't the case. What would concern me, and not purely from an ex-union rep point of view, is if there is a differential contract involved here between existing drivers who have volunteered for it and new recruits. Are night-time drivers being recruited in either category purely to provide that service, or is the rostering to remain flexible to cover the day services as well, after due training? |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 17, 2016 21:58:37 GMT
Are night-time drivers being recruited in either category purely to provide that service, or is the rostering to remain flexible to cover the day services as well, after due training? Night Tube will be staffed entirely with new part-time drivers, their contract is for 15hours Night Tube work only, they will not be permitted extra hours during the daytime. Existing drivers who are rostered on nights, will not be working on Friday or Saturday night. |
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Post by Colin on Mar 18, 2016 0:09:17 GMT
Might find the drivers on the Picc won't be qualified on the Rayners Lane section as the night tube is not going there. But it seems madness not to have the same competency across all the drivers. Can't see any reason why Picc night tube drivers wouldn't be trained to Rayners Lane/Uxbridge - last trains on Fri & Sat nights don't finish till after 1am and first trains on a sat morning run before 6am.... |
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Post by patrickb on Mar 18, 2016 14:53:46 GMT
last trains on Fri & Sat nights don't finish till after 1am and first trains on a sat morning run before 6am.... Will the Night Tube take over some existing late night services from 24:00? I know that this would be a problem for Epping, West Ruislip and Acton - Rayner's Lane Passengers. This does raise the question of when will the day services end and night services start. |
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Post by towerman on Mar 18, 2016 16:19:38 GMT
Would've thought that trains would stable normally until midnight or thereabouts then whatever was required for Night Tube would stay out till sometime the next day when they would be changed over for cleaned & prepped trains.Would also probably mean no dead lates on Friday & Saturday or dead earlys Saturday & Sunday.
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Post by Colin on Mar 18, 2016 19:02:58 GMT
Will the Night Tube take over some existing late night services from 24:00? I know that this would be a problem for Epping, West Ruislip and Acton - Rayner's Lane Passengers. This does raise the question of when will the day services end and night services start. We have night drivers today and have had for many many years; they work most of the first & last trains across all lines. Only difference is that in the future full timers won't cover nights on Friday & Saturday nights. And as for first & last trains on non night tube sections, I don't see why their times won't remain as they are today. |
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Post by Antje on Mar 18, 2016 20:06:30 GMT
We probably need a new publicity campaign due to the delay: probably with Tooting the Owl instead of that starry person thing.
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 23, 2016 8:40:30 GMT
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