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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 22:00:29 GMT
I know it might be a bit early to say but does anyone know if there will be a Farewell D stock Tour and a last run in public service, as I hope to ride The D stock a final time as I missed the the A stock run.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 1, 2015 22:09:11 GMT
I know it might be a bit early to say but does anyone know if there will be a Farewell D stock Tour and a last run in public service, as I hope to ride The D stock a final time as I missed the the A stock run. One of those would definitely happen and I hope the other one does too.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 1, 2015 23:28:02 GMT
if there will be ....... a last run in public service. Clearly, by definition, there will be a last run in public service. Whether it will be recognised as such at the time is another question. In the past, some things have gone before their time, without warning. South Kentish Town station, for example, was "temporarily" closed in 1924 and never re-opened. Similarly the APT prototypes - class 370 - were temporarily withdrawn from service but, I the event, never reinstated, so the last service they ran was not recognised as such until after the event. When NBR locomotive No 224 set out with the evening train to Dundee "on the very last Sabbath of 1879, which will be remembered for a very long time", as McGonnagal has it, no-one knew that it was to be its last run in public service. Other things have been brought back out of retirement after their official last date in service to cover for a crisis, for example steam trains reappeared in the Glasgow suburban tunnel routes after a series of transformer fires on the new electric trains - and see also the class 442s and Chiltern's class 122 dmu - not to mention the reappearance of 1938 stock on the Northern Line some time after they had been officially withdrawn from the Bakerloo) So there will definitely be a last run of D stock. It is likely that the time and date will be planned for. But events may conspire such that the date is not kept to, and the actual last run is earlier or later than intended. Possible but unlikely scenarios: 1. some time before the scheduled "last run", something about the D stock is discovered which grounds the remaining ones in service. 2. something happens on the day which prevents the last run going ahead as scheduled - breakdown of the train, power failure on the District Line etc 3. something happens after the scheduled "last run" - e.g a shortage of S stock - which makes it necessary to bring some D stock back into service
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Post by Chris M on Aug 1, 2015 23:59:45 GMT
Is it likely that some branches will be off-limits to D stock before the fleet is withdrawn completely? (I'm thinking of something similar to the 67s north of Seven Sisters).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 0:29:01 GMT
The signalling upgrade won't happen that quick all areas should be open to the D stock still on withdrawal
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 7:58:45 GMT
On the last day of the C stock the last train was taken out early wasn't it?
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Post by paulsw2 on Aug 2, 2015 15:21:57 GMT
On the last day of the C stock the last train was taken out early wasn't it? It was indeed I was fortunate enough to travel on the last trip from WIM-ERD more luck then judgement
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 18:02:04 GMT
On the last day of the C stock the last train was taken out early wasn't it? It was indeed I was fortunate enough to travel on the last trip from WIM-ERD more luck then judgement I traveled on a C stock between Edgware Road and Wimbledon what I remember was that between Putney Bridge and Wimbledon Park the driver kept using the emergency brake and I kept smelling very strong smell of Brake Dust.
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Post by domh245 on Aug 2, 2015 18:06:28 GMT
Was it the emergency brake (very loud whoosh) or was it the westinghouse (a more gentle hiss) - both would give the lovely smell of brake dust. Especially strong at southfields and wimbledon park after the higher speed stretches. God I miss that smell, but equally I'm glad for the air con!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 18:18:49 GMT
I was thinking it was more likely to've been the westinghouse, too. The emergency brake would give a pretty hard, no-nonsense stop and is very unlikely to have kept being used. The westinghouse a much smoother stop.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 19:19:50 GMT
Is it simply the Driver testing the Westinghouse air brakes at the penultimate station before the terminal station, as one would have often heard when the C stock was in passenger service??
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 19:38:29 GMT
Is it simply the Driver testing the Westinghouse air brakes at the penultimate station before the terminal station, as one would have often heard when the C stock was in passenger service?? That was certainly done, although there was nothing stopping people from using it a bit more if they wanted to. Apparently it was quite a challenge, but some people really enjoyed using it. I've heard that using it when stopping at a terminus was considered a real challenge, which would probably explain why it wasn't used at Wimbledon on the trip 59stock recalls. But, again, I've heard people taking pride in their ability to stop perfectly with it even at a terminus.
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Post by domh245 on Aug 2, 2015 19:46:17 GMT
It always brought a smile to my face when I got a C stock home from school and the driver used the westinghouse all the way to Wimbledon Park. The other people on the tube must have thought I was a proper odd-ball!
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Post by westville13 on Aug 2, 2015 19:49:37 GMT
I hesitate to correct norbitonflyer but I believe North British Railway 224 was recovered from the waters of the "Silvery Tay",was repaired, and ran for many years afterwards in public service and indeed eventually over the new bridge. It was apparently known as "The Diver".
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 2, 2015 20:32:17 GMT
I've heard that using it when stopping at a terminus was considered a real challenge, which would probably explain why it wasn't used at Wimbledon on the trip 59stock recalls. But, again, I've heard people taking pride in their ability to stop perfectly with it even at a terminus. In more recent years a terminus wouldn't offer a challenge as the terminal protection prevents entering at more than 15mph and then 10mph. As some readers of these pages who know me personally will understand that I usually tried to operate the Westinghouse brake at most stations. as we are drifting off the original subject, can I ask that we return there.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 2, 2015 20:32:58 GMT
I hesitate to correct norbitonflyer I stand corrected - so the fatal journey wasn't as final as it would have appeared at the time. Trust me to choose an example where the loco was recovered. See also the "phoenix" ex-class 210 car 67301 instead, reinstated after many years out of service and extensively rebuilt to replace the class 455 car squished by a cement mixer at Oxshott Until the two C stock units that had an argument in Hammersmith depot gave them the dubious distinction of being the first to be taken away for scrap, no-one realised they were on their last day in service.
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Post by sawb on Aug 3, 2015 6:49:55 GMT
Are there any reliable estimates yet for last day of public service, or is it still too early?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 3, 2015 7:16:10 GMT
Are there any reliable estimates yet for last day of public service, or is it still too early? It's much to early yet, a new piece of news is likely to be announced soon which will change things about this subject.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 22:16:56 GMT
I think I am not the only one that wants to see a full D Stock formation preserved and placed on heritage dutys with the A stock.
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Post by MoreToJack on Aug 3, 2015 22:50:29 GMT
I like your idea. Except: *There isn't a full length rake of A stock preserved and operated on heritage days. *There is no space to keep a full length take of D stock. *All the D stock vehicles, aside those required for the new RAT, have been sold for scrap, or to Vivarail for the D-train project (which has gone silent)
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Post by Tom on Aug 10, 2015 9:22:06 GMT
In response to the original question - there are certainly plans for a tour. As far as I know these are still just thoughts and ideas and nothing concrete has been put together yet.
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Post by superteacher on Aug 10, 2015 18:52:16 GMT
Let's hope they get a better send off than the C stock!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 18:53:42 GMT
Is it simply the Driver testing the Westinghouse air brakes at the penultimate station before the terminal station, as one would have often heard when the C stock was in passenger service?? That was certainly done, although there was nothing stopping people from using it a bit more if they wanted to. Apparently it was quite a challenge, but some people really enjoyed using it. I've heard that using it when stopping at a terminus was considered a real challenge, which would probably explain why it wasn't used at Wimbledon on the trip 59stock recalls. But, again, I've heard people taking pride in their ability to stop perfectly with it even at a terminus.' I was never as proficient as some, however if the Northern wasnt being nasty to me on a Sunday turn, so quite often at intermediate stations, I'd often Lap the handle and then try to get it smack on the stopping mark with the Westinghouse, I was never as good with the 72's, but I loved the 59 stock anyhow. When I did my Guard/ETD training on the D78's I was always a little disappointed that there was no westy to practice with. Its sad to see the modern stock seems to have shorter life spans, they were near new trains then... hard to think they will soon be gone.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 20, 2015 20:46:50 GMT
Its sad to see the modern stock seems to have shorter life spans, they were near new trains then... had to think they will soon be gone. D stock probably has some life left in it - hence the Vivarail project. But there was an opportunity to replace all the surface stock at once, as the A stock and the younger but rather more hard-worked C stock were both due for replacement and D stock, like 1983 stock, had some design problems, notably the single leaf doors which were becoming a nuisance. There are still 1972 and 1973 stocks about for the traditionalists.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 7:00:35 GMT
Never worked 73'2 so I have little knowledge of them I had always thought they were westcode equipped... strange thing is I was better with the Westy standing up on the 72's, I think because the original seat was completely uncomfortable for me. I failed my 1st 72 test, nailed the second one... had a better unit I felt.
I'm still hoping that the Vivarail units might find their way onto the Pembroke Dock Branch if ATW take them on, we get pacers down here now so re-purposed D78s would be an improvement.
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Post by malcolmffc on Aug 7, 2016 12:26:28 GMT
Are there any firm dates for the D stocks last running yet? Any plans for a farewell tour?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 7, 2016 14:16:37 GMT
Are there any firm dates for the D stocks last running yet? Any plans for a farewell tour? No firm date for withdrawal yet, 16 remain, one to go each week from tomorrow, a quick calculation means towards end of October. A farewell Tour will run after the last trains in passenger service.
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Post by crusty54 on Aug 7, 2016 19:05:39 GMT
i like your idea. Except: *There isn't a full length rake of A stock preserved and operated on heritage days. *There is no space to keep a full length take of D stock. *All the D stock vehicles, aside those required for the new RAT, have been sold for scrap, or to Vivarail for the D-train project (which has gone silent) Not gone so quiet - recent announcement - first D train contract for a three car unit to run between Coventry and Nuneaton for the West Midlands Combined Authority.
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Post by MoreToJack on Aug 7, 2016 19:17:13 GMT
i like your idea. Except: *There isn't a full length rake of A stock preserved and operated on heritage days. *There is no space to keep a full length take of D stock. *All the D stock vehicles, aside those required for the new RAT, have been sold for scrap, or to Vivarail for the D-train project (which has gone silent) Not gone so quiet - recent announcement - first D train contract for a three car unit to run between Coventry and Nuneaton for the West Midlands Combined Authority. Only a year after I made my post. 😉
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Post by malcolmffc on Aug 10, 2016 11:47:54 GMT
Where could a D stock go "off route" on a tour?. Presumably the Met is Ok if they can get there? Can they run up the Picc to Rayners Lane and reverse?
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