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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2012 19:15:19 GMT
Given that time's running out for them, does any of the Met Mainline crowd on here know if there'll be some sort of farewell tour? Failing that, will their last day of operation be well advertised?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2012 19:42:43 GMT
well there was a 50th anniversary tour for the A stock proposed for (afaik) Dec 11th 2011, but that has been postponed and nothing heard of it since.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2012 23:32:26 GMT
Could some of us on this Forum work with LT to arrange something - With the right publicity the train would be full?
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Post by Ben on Apr 18, 2012 23:46:06 GMT
Mr Onion; Ohh yes, so there was!! No doubt the need to keep the met crowd sweet has diminished sufficiently now to consign it to the dustbin, along with the fleet itself  |
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Post by metman on Apr 19, 2012 6:36:00 GMT
As long as its not when I'm away! I wonder is Angela Black can be convinced that it is a good idea - which it is!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2012 7:31:26 GMT
If this tour was publicised in the same way as the 67TS rail tour I'm sure you'd get a similar sell out!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2012 14:07:24 GMT
I'd rather do the last day, seeing as it costs less and would be the real last day of normal operation, such as last years 67 stock last day. The atmosphere is something I want to experience, in an informal manner, on A stock, as well as C and D stocks last days when that happens. Does anyone have a projection when the A stocks will really start to dwindle, i.e. under 10 8 car sets.
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Post by kabsonline on Apr 19, 2012 14:41:12 GMT
Very soon! I think the last A Stock day is going to be something we read on here like the night before it happens  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2012 14:53:07 GMT
I'd rather do the last day, seeing as it costs less and would be the real last day of normal operation, such as last years 67 stock last day. The atmosphere is something I want to experience, in an informal manner, on A stock, as well as C and D stocks last days when that happens. Does anyone have a projection when the A stocks will really start to dwindle, i.e. under 10 8 car sets. So you'd rather no railtour at all? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2012 18:11:02 GMT
I'd rather do the last day, seeing as it costs less and would be the real last day of normal operation, such as last years 67 stock last day. The atmosphere is something I want to experience, in an informal manner, on A stock, as well as C and D stocks last days when that happens. Does anyone have a projection when the A stocks will really start to dwindle, i.e. under 10 8 car sets. So you'd rather no railtour at all? I wouldn't mind if one went ahead but it's a tad costly for my liking, if it were to be similar to the 67ts one. On another note, what routes are A stock completely cleared to run on? , if such a tour were to be planned |
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Post by metman on Apr 19, 2012 18:36:29 GMT
The problem A stock has is it is too big for most of the network! I don't think it is cleared from passenger service down the Piccadilly to Acton. Therefore, the tour would start at Moorgate platform 4, run to Amersham, then to Watford via the North Curve. From Watford it would run to Harrow-on-the-Hill reverse in platform 6 (or via the siding) and then head to Uxbridge before returning to Moorgate platform 4. What do you think?
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Post by phillw48 on Apr 19, 2012 18:47:06 GMT
Is it not cleared to Upminster?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2012 18:47:54 GMT
The problem A stock has is it is too big for most of the network! I don't think it is cleared from passenger service down the Piccadilly to Acton. Therefore, the tour would start at Moorgate platform 4, run to Amersham, then to Watford via the North Curve. From Watford it would run to Harrow-on-the-Hill reverse in platform 6 (or via the siding) and then head to Uxbridge before returning to Moorgate platform 4. What do you think? Not forgetting Baker Street Pfm6 as well, probably need to be a quick reversal |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2012 18:48:30 GMT
The problem A stock has is it is too big for most of the network! I don't think it is cleared from passenger service down the Piccadilly to Acton. Therefore, the tour would start at Moorgate platform 4, run to Amersham, then to Watford via the North Curve. From Watford it would run to Harrow-on-the-Hill reverse in platform 6 (or via the siding) and then head to Uxbridge before returning to Moorgate platform 4. What do you think? Is Barking a possibility, as well? (Shame the East London Line isn't accessible now...) |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2012 18:50:07 GMT
The problem A stock has is it is too big for most of the network! I don't think it is cleared from passenger service down the Piccadilly to Acton. Therefore, the tour would start at Moorgate platform 4, run to Amersham, then to Watford via the North Curve. From Watford it would run to Harrow-on-the-Hill reverse in platform 6 (or via the siding) and then head to Uxbridge before returning to Moorgate platform 4. What do you think? Not forgetting Baker Street Pfm6 as well Could make it a 4 car set and go to Hammersmith, as well  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2012 19:34:52 GMT
As I remember from the discussion on the forum a couple of years ago the last time an A-Stock went to Upminster, they are only permitted to go up there in 4-car units and whenever they go through a station they have to travel at walking pace. And according to CULG ( www.davros.org/rail/culg/metropolitan.html), A-stocks need clearance to go on the Hammersmith & City Line between Edgware Road and Hammersmith. I wonder what route the tour would have taken had it operated. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2012 10:20:37 GMT
Is there any scope to operate a tour down the Piccadilly Line, at least to Acton Town?
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Post by metman on Apr 21, 2012 10:47:20 GMT
Not sure. I don't think they can run in service. But 8 cars can operate.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2012 16:41:12 GMT
Wasn't the 67 stock tour last year fully booked? Bearing in mind how popular the A stock are I would think that the demand for a farewell tour would be huge, possibly to the point where they could do two seperate ones possibly? If they are charging £20-30 a seat again they could easily make a few quid out of it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2012 9:23:21 GMT
Talking about clearance, was the 67ts actually cleared for passengers to Uxbridge and Ealing Broadway?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2012 11:09:59 GMT
Talking about clearance, was the 67ts actually cleared for passengers to Uxbridge and Ealing Broadway? Must have been if it went? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2012 22:09:36 GMT
Talking about clearance, was the 67ts actually cleared for passengers to Uxbridge and Ealing Broadway? Must have been if it went? It just sounds unlikely. |
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Post by andypurk on Apr 25, 2012 23:17:28 GMT
Must have been if it went? It just sounds unlikely. 1972 Stock is cleared (it has been used in the past on tours along that section) and, as the 1967 stock is basically the same design, I don't see a big problem. |
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Post by astock5000 on Apr 27, 2012 1:07:20 GMT
Is there any scope to operate a tour down the Piccadilly Line, at least to Acton Town? I don't think so, as the train that had the wrong route set at Rayners Lane on 5th December 2009 (with 5080 on the south end - I was on it) had to be reversed back to Rayners instead of running to South Harrow, and I seem to remember the reason was more to do with the stock not being cleared down there than the driver not being trained on the route. Maybe someone can find the thread about that. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2012 8:42:52 GMT
From recollection the A stock is cleared out of service to Acton Town, but has a speed limit imposed as the train passes under one of the bridges (I think somewhere in the Sudbury area).
Not sure if that’s still the case. I would also assume that the length of an 8 car train might pose a problem with the signaling if they needed to turn it East to West.
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Post by malcolmffc on Apr 27, 2012 9:11:02 GMT
Doesn't seem much point in a tour if the only places the stock can go in pax service are on the Met line anyway!
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Post by cso on Apr 27, 2012 9:51:27 GMT
Surely as long as it's cleared to run on the line (regardless of PAX service or not) you could argue that a tour could take you anywhere, because you're not 'a passenger' as such.
I doubt the '67 was cleared for Passenger Service for half the places it went on the tour, since from memory at two of the stops, some of the train wasn't fully on the platform.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2012 22:07:15 GMT
Surely as long as it's cleared to run on the line (regardless of PAX service or not) you could argue that a tour could take you anywhere, because you're not 'a passenger' as such. I doubt the '67 was cleared for Passenger Service for half the places it went on the tour, since from memory at two of the stops, some of the train wasn't fully on the platform. Acton Town, most of the rear car was not in the platform, they still opened the doors fully before closing them to reverse in the siding which at the time was not cleared for passengers. Ealing Broadway, the rear car was again not in the platform but doors were closed on that car. |
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Post by causton on May 9, 2012 0:49:42 GMT
Surely as long as it's cleared to run on the line (regardless of PAX service or not) you could argue that a tour could take you anywhere, because you're not 'a passenger' as such. I doubt the '67 was cleared for Passenger Service for half the places it went on the tour, since from memory at two of the stops, some of the train wasn't fully on the platform. Acton Town, most of the rear car was not in the platform, they still opened the doors fully before closing them to reverse in the siding which at the time was not cleared for passengers. Ealing Broadway, the rear car was again not in the platform but doors were closed on that car. Indeed, I remember it so well  (click the thumbnails below to go to my flickr gallery to view the full sized versions ) Acton Town:  Ealing Broadway:  |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2012 8:08:06 GMT
I asked a senior Met line manager what plans they had for the last A stock.
She replied that there are plans afoot but nothing concrete.
It is likely to be similar to the Vic Line offering rather than a rail tour.
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