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Post by andypurk on Aug 16, 2012 16:42:11 GMT
Just to confirm partly what Dstock7080 has reported. In the latest addition of the pensioners version of "On the Move" and I quote. "There will be a final A stock railtour around the end of of September which will be publicised in the usual way through the LT Museum and website. The date is still to be confirmed." end of quote. I don't think it will need much publicity A provisional date has been set, but don't hold your breath. At Harrow-on-the-Hill today, I saw a small poster advertising the A stock farewell tour. Date is the 29th September, as discussed above. On the London Transport Museum site it now confirms the date and says bookings will open on the 3rd September, with more details to follow. |
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Post by harrowman on Aug 16, 2012 17:22:18 GMT
;D A provisional date has been set, but don't hold your breath. At Harrow-on-the-Hill today, I saw a small poster advertising the A stock farewell tour. Date is the 29th September, as discussed above. On the London Transport Museum site it now confirms the date and says bookings will open on the 3rd September, with more details to follow. I can't find a confirmation on their Site, but LU have given it the go ahead on that date. Please refrain from sitting on my favourite seat.  ;D |
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Post by andypurk on Aug 16, 2012 17:26:53 GMT
;D At Harrow-on-the-Hill today, I saw a small poster advertising the A stock farewell tour. Date is the 29th September, as discussed above. On the London Transport Museum site it now confirms the date and says bookings will open on the 3rd September, with more details to follow. I can't find a confirmation on their Site, but LU have given it the go ahead on that date. Please refrain from sitting on my favourite seat. ;D  Forgot the link: www.ltmuseum.co.uk/whats-on/events/vehicles-on-the-moveThe details are mentioned at the bottom, after the Amersham event details for the 9th September. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 22:15:04 GMT
LTM Friends Facebook page posted that the tour would be Moorgate-Watford-Chesham-Harrow-Amersham (lunch)-Uxbridge-Aldgate-Wembley Park. They've also stated that it will be £40/Adult, £15/Children. Personally I think that's a bit on the steep side, given you could do exactly the same on a travelcard up until very recently (and possibly still can if you're lucky). I'm certainly not sure I can justify paying that much.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 22:41:11 GMT
I don't mean to sound ungrateful here but the bloody 67ts got a better send off covering routes off its own patch but with this, not even a trip to Acton or Northfields?!
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Post by superteacher on Aug 16, 2012 22:45:48 GMT
£40 is taking the mickey. Bring on the last official run in passenger service!
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Post by Ben on Aug 16, 2012 22:55:55 GMT
The A stock as a cash cow - just how far are TfL willing to purely insult enthusiasts? If thats the price make it worth it; Acton, Ealing, Northfields, Whitechapel, etc. Though I agree with the spirit of your point, Bronzeonion, I am willing to sound somewhat ungrateful about this event. The staff on the Met past and present have always considered themselves real 'railwaymen'; the independant spirit, etc. So why such a bland/dull and overpriced/offensive offering?? I smell apathy or politics from on high, and it stinks... ¦-| Yours disappointedly, a pennyless student :x  |
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Post by astock5000 on Aug 16, 2012 23:05:44 GMT
Personally I think that's a bit on the steep side, given you could do exactly the same on a travelcard up until verg recently (and possibly still can if you're lucky). I'm certainly not sure I can justify paying that much. If there are enough people who will pay that to fill the train, then they will have been right to charge that much. However I don't think that will be the case, especially as it's only a few days after when the last run in normal service is supposed to happen. I don't mean to sound ungrateful here but the bloody 67ts got a better send off covering routes off its own patch but with this, not even a trip to Acton or Northfields?! Maybe they couldn't get permission to run it in service down that line, as I said before the train involved in a wrong stick at Rayners in 2009 had to be reversed back into the station, which caused a lot more disruption than if it had run to South Harrow. Of course that could have been due to the driver not knowing the route, but I'm sure there was something said at the time about width / weight issues (and yes, the width one doesn't make sense to me either). |
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Post by harrowman on Aug 17, 2012 7:56:11 GMT
If there are enough people who will pay that to fill the train, then they will have been right to charge that much. However I don't think that will be the case, especially as it's only a few days after when the last run in normal service is supposed to happen. As LU have gone to the trouble of organising a special at £40 a head, it does seem very unlikely that they would replace an all day runner of S stock in normal service for an A stock. My bet is you may be lucky to board one in the peak, if at all. Having said that I hope I'm wrong. |
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Post by Phil on Aug 17, 2012 9:13:04 GMT
In terms of routes, don't forget the A stock is bigger than any other surface stock is/was. Special clearance tests would be needed to take it to places like Northfields, so it ain't gonna happen . And I agree that £40 is ridiculous - but as long as about 500 people don't, then that's what the market will stand. And IF the receipts are going to the LTM (and I repeat if), then who's to blame them for getting the last extra few squid, especially if as said above that the last service train is around the same time. And lastly, £15 for the unwaged isn't too bad, is it? |
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Post by metman on Aug 17, 2012 9:27:43 GMT
For 40 quid I'd expect to be allowed to have a go ;D I'll be there because this is a part of my life I may never be able to experience again. |
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Post by castlebar on Aug 17, 2012 9:32:39 GMT
@ metman
For 40 quid, l'd expect to be allowed to drive it!
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Post by bassmike on Aug 17, 2012 10:23:16 GMT
A stock has been to Northfields before as also down the line from RL to Acton.
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Post by bassmike on Aug 17, 2012 10:27:44 GMT
Also meant to say that I agree about the exorbitant price and limited itinery for this event. I dont know if it is still possible to run to Stanmore as has been done in the past, but a bit more distance would be better.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2012 10:50:54 GMT
Somewhat tongue in the old cheek here, but would not the £40 charge be an attempt to try and create an 'authentic' A Stock tour? (empty, much like the off peak)
Sure there will be a demand for billets. 'Lasts' have always been crowd pullers down the years, but so close to Sarah's outing and Acton Depot Open day, perhaps a £20/£10 charge may have made a bit more marketing savvy?
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Post by harrowman on Aug 17, 2012 10:59:38 GMT
Just to add my two pence worth regarding the price, I am happy to stump up the 40 quid, for if it was much lower there would be every chance of getting squashed in or not getting a seat. The fare set must have been thought through sensibly, not plucked out of the air to make a massive profit.
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Post by cso on Aug 17, 2012 11:56:28 GMT
I think part of the reason why I object to it, is that I could do the ride for £20 with a travel-card; so I'm essentially paying £20 for being on an A-Stock...
Additionally, as has been said, it's only a rail tour on the Metropolitan Line; so unless it offers something else which isn't 'conventional' then it doesn't really seem worth it.
I shall consider my options between now and the 3rd as to whether to attend it or not.
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Post by castlebar on Aug 17, 2012 12:04:25 GMT
Depending on the wording, it might be that anyone with a Freedom Pass could claim a free trip. It will depend on the wording of the legislation for Freedom Pass users rather than any exclusion imposed by the tour organisers. This could get interesting.
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Post by harrowman on Aug 17, 2012 12:16:01 GMT
Depending on the wording, it might be that anyone with a Freedom Pass could claim a free trip. It will depend on the wording of the legislation for Freedom Pass users rather than any exclusion imposed by the tour organisers. This could get interesting. Having never been on a 'private' LU rail tour, which surely excludes non ticket holders whoever they are, there must be ticket checkers aboard. |
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Post by harrowman on Aug 17, 2012 12:34:20 GMT
I think part of the reason why I object to it, is that I could do the ride for £20 with a travel-card; so I'm essentially paying £20 for being on an A-Stock... Exactly, a point I overlooked. Surely a mere £20 is worth the convenience of not having to wait on platforms for lengthy periods waiting for an A stock train? |
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Post by cso on Aug 17, 2012 15:21:34 GMT
If it works the way the '67ts did, then I doubt people with a Freedom pass could claim a free trip - tickets were checked, and the train didn't open doors at stations where it wasn't due to stop etc.
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Post by castlebar on Aug 17, 2012 15:38:30 GMT
cso My point exactly. The law governing the availability of the Freedom Pass will potentially override by statute any special ticket terms. If the law regarding the availability of the Freedom Pass was changed since the last "trip", which l think it might have been, then there is a potential conflict. One of the things that is so easy to forget when drafting legislation and why the legal profession is so well remunerated. Freedom passes will not be allowed if there is provision within existing legislation to exclude certain pax fare paying journeys, and not because somebody says "you can't get on"
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Post by cso on Aug 17, 2012 16:07:30 GMT
I think it probably wouldn't apply due to the fact it's (technically) a train out of service... In much the same way as you can't get on a bus with them that's not in service.
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Post by harrowman on Aug 17, 2012 16:10:21 GMT
That would put the ticket checkers in a difficult position if not given instructions whether to allow or not freedom passes, but as it stands nobody is certain, so a polite "This train is for enthusiasts only, there will be another behind shortly" should suffice.
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Post by memorex on Aug 17, 2012 18:50:36 GMT
I am pretty certain that proceeds from this tour are for the benefit of The Railway Children's charity. Not really a cash cow for LU.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2012 20:06:11 GMT
I am pretty certain that proceeds from this tour are for the benefit of The Railway Children's charity. Not really a cash cow for LU. If that is indeed the case then I'd urge everyone to cough up the forty quid if they wish to travel and to forget trying to find ways to avoid paying. I wouldn't like to be seen short changing a charity. |
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Post by harrowman on Aug 17, 2012 20:45:33 GMT
LTM Friends Facebook page posted that the tour would be Moorgate-Watford-Chesham-Harrow-Amersham (lunch)-Uxbridge-Aldgate-Wembley Park. How do you squeeze into Chesham without disrupting the service trains? |
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Post by motorman on Aug 17, 2012 21:07:48 GMT
Likely the trip from Chalfont to Chesham and return will be available to usual passengers the booked Chesham train being diverted to Amersham. I think this happened when previous special trains have run to Chesham
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Post by superteacher on Aug 17, 2012 21:28:11 GMT
Likely the trip from Chalfont to Chesham and return will be available to usual passengers the booked Chesham train being diverted to Amersham. I think this happened when previous special trains have run to Chesham How will they make sure that nobody "stows away" on the train after sneaking on at Chesham? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2012 21:33:24 GMT
The staff on the Met past and present have always considered themselves real 'railwaymen'; the independant spirit, etc. Thanks Ben, I like to think the Met is like this too, it's a place I've been proud to be connected with, that's a pretty big complement How do you squeeze into Chesham without disrupting the service trains? As Motorman says, you can't. The A60 will either have to run up with passengers or they'll lay on a bus service (as they do when the track recorder goes up there - but seeing as a train with people on it is running to Chesham I can't see any way a bus will be put in)........ I can see this having all sorts of problems at Chalfont! The PA saying 'special trip, those without special tickets all change please', some people not wanting to get off and catch the train behind etc, gonna be interesting! I had an idea of my own for this a while back. However I fairly much knew that those 'up high' would have their own ideas so created the bare bones of a timetable really for amusement. It was to run in normal passenger service (to represent the A stock and the work they do), but with some special things to recreate different points of Met working over the years........ Start at Aldgate, run as the long defunct AM6 code to Amersham (fast Finchley Road to Moor Park  ) Amersham to Chalfont. Chalfont to Chesham via shunt JT67 (using recent-ish procedure, staff in attendance trackside if need be). Chesham - North Curve - Watford. Watford - Harrow Pfm 6. Harrow Pfm 6 - Uxbridge. Uxbridge - Aldgate (using very old A4 code, non-stop West Harrow, fast Harrow to Finchley Road). Aldgate - Rayners Lane (all stations, give example of stopping Uxbridge line service) Rayners Lane - Wembley Park Pfm 6 (final send off, alternatively put train in depot after Uxbridge trip............) Train gets cheered off into depot! I had envisaged double ending (drivers at either end in English) for the swift turnarounds at Chalfont and Rayners Lane. Working out the TT was ok, but all the consequential alterations around it took ages! That's how I was surprised at how many trips had been worked out for the trip I read about earlier! And agreed, £40 really is too much. Let's imagine someone travels in from far for this, they'd have to buy their train fare, maybe a Travelcard for other journeys around, and then the £40! It's a lot. Even 'half' tickets (say, £15 to do half the trips, being either valid up to the lunch break or after it) sounds more desirable. I'd have said £20 top whack would have been expected, but hey ho.......... As for the charity thing, I can see where charities are a good cause and I have every wish for them to raise funds but it doesn't take away the fact that this trip is really expensive! In these days where not everyone is 'holding folding' it's important for these sort of events to be accessible. Charity or no charity I don't like groups of enthusiasts to be excluded. The arrangement should be for everyone to have the chance to say farewell to the old girls on the Met line. I really don't want to sound mean but I'm sure the charity can raise money through the event while the enthusiasts get a fair deal. I'm sure the situation could be met in the middle At this rate what's the 150 year celebrations gonna be like? Steam train round the Circle = £300 |
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