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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2011 7:22:17 GMT
I have just been told that from the May 2011 District line timetable change the Kensington (Olympia) service will be axed, except for special events.
Haven't seen anything more about this but am keeping a lookout.
I wonder what other service cuts network wide are planned, as alluded to a year or so ago!
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Post by metman on Feb 19, 2011 9:38:58 GMT
Really? I find that a strange descision. The area is ever popular and even though LO and Southern serve the station the district link is a useful one.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2011 9:41:50 GMT
This service used to be an Exhibitions only service however now Olympia is now part of the Overground, so if this occurs this will remove a useful connection between 2 TFL services. How about running 378's into Earls Court and re-creating the Outer Circle - ( OK 3rd rail and all that is an issue etc). So a 25% increase of some Tube Fares and now the start of cuts in services!  Xerces Fobe |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 19, 2011 9:54:24 GMT
When the District service became all-day-every-day, Olympia's only other rail services were the 2 trains per day from Clapham Junction, and the Motorail services. Now that Overground and Southern betrween them are providing several trains per hour, and connection with the District can be made at West Brompton, maybe it is no longer as useful as it was.
What are loadings like on the shuttle these days?
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Post by Colin on Feb 19, 2011 11:29:06 GMT
I had heard this was occurring too, though my source suggested it would happen in December - either way there is certainly a desire to drop it [event days excepting].
It has been problematic ever since it went down to one train in the peaks with stepping back at High Street Ken, so I'm not surprised this is the solution TBH.
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Post by DrOne on Feb 19, 2011 11:54:34 GMT
Sad because it is a cut to train services, but not really surprising. Wasn't the frequency recently reduced from 4 to 3tph? Also the connections at West Brompton and Shepherds Bush (and other stations) are quite easy. I think this should prompt the increase in Southern services to 2tph and LO could provide an equal service to CJ and Richmond.
If true, has there been a consultation? Could this mean any changes to HSK and other District services? It does free up a terminating point...
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Post by cso on Feb 19, 2011 12:00:22 GMT
If it was just on event days it would be useful, because certainly when I've been to events at Olympia, the District Trains have always been full leaving Olympia.
It's also handy coming from the Uxbridge branch to have a District service too, as it's easy to change at Earls Court.
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Post by causton on Feb 19, 2011 12:06:35 GMT
And if you're desperate there's always the 328 bus!
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Post by dmncf on Feb 19, 2011 14:29:26 GMT
I have just been told that from the May 2011 District line timetable change the Kensington (Olympia) service will be axed, except for special events. Surely 'special events' at the Olympia exhibition centre are its everyday business - would this mean that the Kensington (Olympia) District line service still ran most days, except during changeovers between exhibitions? It sounds difficult for the public and difficult for timetable planners to cope with a service that has a good frequency on most days and no service on others. I had also thought that Olympia exhibition centre was likely to be improved and become busier after the planned closure and redevelopment of Earls Court exhibition centre after the 2012 Olympic Games. I think the exhibition centres are owned by the same property developer. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2011 16:57:28 GMT
I often use the shuttle on different days at different times and on most days all you would need is one carriage, but that changes when events are on and the train is rammed.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 19, 2011 17:30:58 GMT
Certainly not happening from the 22 May timetable change.
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Post by ruislip on Feb 19, 2011 17:34:25 GMT
Could this be a precursor to other reductions on other lines (eg--no Piccs west of Rayners Lane outside peaks, et al).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2011 17:45:16 GMT
"Back to the 80s" ?
I remember that non-exhibition days Olympia service was absolutely rammed back in 2008 in both morning and evening peaks.
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Post by Tomcakes on Feb 19, 2011 17:47:52 GMT
And, if special events are so frequent, would it not cost more to deal with having two sets of timetables, staff rosters etc etc than just running the train as normal on an occasional quiet week?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2011 20:07:22 GMT
I might be totally wrong, but from memory, it is being pulled from December (not May) on weekdays. I am fairly sure it will still be running at weekends, as that is when the vast majority of exhibitions at Oly occur these days.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2011 20:10:00 GMT
If the tracks arent used 5 days out of 7 wont they become rusty or would it take longer.
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Post by DWS on Feb 19, 2011 20:14:28 GMT
May be someone has the wrong end of the stick about the Olympia Service in May, the only time it will not be running is over the May Bank Holiday weekend of 28th, 29th & 30th May, due to Track Replacement Work on the Olympia line and work in Lillie Bridge depot.
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Post by greatkingrat on Feb 19, 2011 20:41:44 GMT
I guess TfL think that now there will be 4 LO services per hour on the WLL (+1 Southern) all day that this will become the main access to Olympia, changing at West Brompton or Shepherds Bush.
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Post by mrfs42 on Feb 19, 2011 23:26:27 GMT
May be someone has the wrong end of the stick about the Olympia Service in May, the only time it will not be running is over the May Bank Hoilday weekend of 28th, 29th & 30th May, due to Track Replacement Work on the Olympia line and work in Lillie Bridge depot. Therefore you're saying that there is no substantive change to the Addison Road  service apart from engineering work? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2011 0:52:27 GMT
I video it and upload it to Youtube so light isnt realy too much of an issue, Kensington Olympia also has those bright white lights rather than those horrible orange ones. Traction is usualy 37's, 20's if your lucky! ;D Sounds good - plenty of nice sound effects! ;D I noticed on Thursday that the London Overground station refurbishment gang were busy working at Kensington Olympia, including installing new platform lighting. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2011 0:58:24 GMT
Yeah, the waiting room is also closed for refurbishment work. It realy was pretty old in there, the leaflet stands had BR logos on the bottom, the colour scheme was pretty BR ish, not like Silverlink to use grey or black as a colour sceme!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2011 1:06:42 GMT
Hopefully they won't cut off half the long northbound platform by installing a barrier, thus stopping people from going towards the far end for photos!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2011 1:06:57 GMT
I video it and upload it to Youtube so light isnt realy too much of an issue, Kensington Olympia also has those bright white lights rather than those horrible orange ones. Traction is usualy 37's, 20's if your lucky! ;D Sounds good - plenty of nice sound effects! ;D I noticed on Thursday that the London Overground station refurbishment gang were busy working at Kensington Olympia, including installing new platform lighting. Has the 'temporary sign' been replaced yet? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2011 1:07:45 GMT
Who said they were installing a barrier to stop people going on the long part of the platform?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2011 1:12:03 GMT
Who said they were installing a barrier to stop people going on the long part of the platform? I'm very much hoping that they won't be installing a barrier - but that is the sort of thing that does seem to get installed when a station is refurbished, to make the usable section of platform only as long as the longest train that serves it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2011 1:23:46 GMT
Yeah, the waiting room is also closed for refurbishment work. It realy was pretty old in there, the leaflet stands had BR logos on the bottom, the colour scheme was pretty BR ish, not like Silverlink to use grey or black as a colour sceme! Originally there was a plan to demolish the current station building at KPA and replace it with a smaller building, is this still going ahead. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2011 1:58:28 GMT
I hope not!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2011 10:03:43 GMT
Seems strange that they decide to pull the service just as we're running more trains to OLY - albeit off peak stablers to LILDT.
I would venture that this has little to do with the 'actual' OLY service itself and more to do with the fact that ECT is over capacity and losing three or four trains an hour would lessen the pressure on ECT.
Also, there is a case for consideration that if you run a less than 15 minute service, then the service becomes meaningless as people can walk from ECT - OLY in less time than it will take to wait for the next train.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2011 10:10:23 GMT
'Don't some of the trains tend to reverse before the station?'
No, all LILDT stablers fully berth at the stopping mark on the platform, change ends and then down to the shunt and into the depot.
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Post by Colin on Feb 20, 2011 11:03:30 GMT
Providing your train is clear of the relevant points & signals, you don't actually need to go all the way to Olympia to reverse - the only reason for doing so is the lack of a 'Limit of Shunt' sign.
I can't remember where I read it - it's not in a recent traffic circular so it must have been on the notice board at Upminster - either a 'Limit of Shunt' sign has now been installed or one is planned to be installed....
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service apart from engineering work? 
