The end is nigh!

Really?!?!?

also, snapped 5179 today, it was on an ex watford and it was going faster than my 'fast' Baker Street!

I think it's meant to mean after the first 40 production will switch to S7s, with S8s resuming later

Would you bother cleaning a car if youre driving it to a scrap yard?

Besides its psychological, you look at that and think, 'tatty, old, worn out'. Instead of, 'solidly built, hard wearing, handsom design that'll never again be equalled in iconicism'.

If you take the pride out of something it becomes far easier to destroy.

I also saw 5179 yesterday and a variety of other wonderful trains. Not an S stock in sight strangely!!

Is the Met really only getting 40 trains?

IIRC they were delivered via the Great Central line which had sufficient clearances. The GC was closed and largely dismantled a few years later.

Well, I can't say whether it went through the wash the night before, but it only takes a drop of rain to have vehicles looking filthy before they've completed their first run of the day.

Yes, long before the connection at Ickenham was built!

Do we know which poor units are going on Thursday yet?

I think you'll find that options of rail enthusiasts differ significantly from the rest of the population - I've seen reactions of many foreigners using the Met for the first time (my parents, a couple of German colleagues, friends, boyfriend, etc) and generally they were not impressed by bumpy ride, excessive vibration, smells, and lack of voice announcements. Most preferred Jubilee line.


A stock will be replaced because it is on the verge of inevitable reliability decline (and some people would argue that it is already started).

Maintenance won't be able to save it forever.
What was the reason for A stock to be speed-capped? And could it be resolved by better maintenance?

...and do!

The A stock bogies have always been cracking, even in 1961!

Correct me if I'm wrong but the bogie design was old fashioned when made. They look like they were based on the District K2 bogie but with rubber suspension. The K2 bogie served the District and later the Met well but I'm not sure it was cut out for 70mph!

They are on the verge or replacement but they could be maintained for another 5 years with love before it would be time to throw the towel in!

As I said last week, they have served the Met for over a third of its existance and are surely the longest serving trains as a fleet on the Underground, and probably England.

Hats off to Manser/Cravens

Although not the best place to say this, whoever is at the controls of the unfortunate units on Thursday, would they please open her up for the last time and really bomb it to Northwood!!

@ metman I think it will be on the slow lines unfortunately, why do I have to be at school for this? I will venture up to Northwood after school though see if its still there

Bengley wrote "5093 covered in graffiti, shameful"


I think I have just solved the graffiti problem. I hate graffiti in any form but it came to mind if LU built a depot for all the old stock trains and had it maintained and controlled then all these vandals could go to the depot and spray paint all the trains which would stop graffiti on the LU forever.

It would be costly but surely in the long run it would save LU millions of pounds in cleaning the trains.

Think of the cost savings. Less security in depots.
No hiring of staff to clean the trains.
No money spent on chemicals.
No disruption to service because of these mindless criminals.
More police time which could be used to control harder crimes.
And lets not start on the amount of millions spent by tax payers, court costs, money spent on prisons to house and feed these individuals.

After all the trains are being scrapped.

Woo hoo ;D Has anybody allready thought of this idea?