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Post by glenntandh on Oct 15, 2010 10:34:43 GMT
Was 007 one of the 6 in service? I saw it sitting on the freight link to the NLL (heading toward the NLL) at Willesden Junction yesterday. It was sitting there for the entire 15 minutes or so I could see it until I headed Sheperds Bushward, but presumably would've been toddling off in the direction of active duty? Do you mean the "City Lines" from around the back of the Low level station or the "New Lines" leading up from the Low Level station itself? If the former, assume the unit had been on a trip to Euston, if the latter, that is the normal route between Willesden TMD and the T&H Line. 008 seen in traffic today, so that's the lot, since someone else has reported 003 as delivered. Can't say that they are all in traffic yet as 003 has not been seen on the T&H. LOROL MD Steve Murphey said that they were setting themselves a hard target to get all 8 in traffic by the end of October but it looks as if they will achieve their target! |
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Post by glenntandh on Oct 15, 2010 10:51:56 GMT
Just been advised by another BGOLUG member that 003 is in service today, so LOROL have managed to get the whole lot into traffic well before the month's end, well done LOROL!
Mind you, TfL London Rail's promise that they would solve overcrowding overnight doesn't seem likely to be fulfilled though!
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Post by metrolander on Oct 15, 2010 16:14:40 GMT
Glenn I meant the City Lines - that's the freight route right? Clearly it now strikes me that of course this is NOT the route from the TMD, as I had lazily presumed without considering the obvious! (My immediate surroundings at the time). Duh. Pray tell why would a 172 have been on a trip to Euston??
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2010 17:35:17 GMT
Mind you, TfL London Rail's promise that they would solve overcrowding overnight doesn't seem likely to be fulfilled though! I missed this promise. Could you post a link to it please?  |
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Post by dpb on Oct 15, 2010 20:59:22 GMT
Saw 172003 enter Gospel Oak this morning while waiting for the 07.17 to Stratford.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2010 22:54:59 GMT
Mind you, TfL London Rail's promise that they would solve overcrowding overnight doesn't seem likely to be fulfilled though!
We made No such promise. Nor would any realistic person or organisation.
Yet again BGOLUG demonstrates its sensationalist GOBBLEDEGOOK credentials and is it any wonder nobody takes this moribund 'group' seriously any longer.
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Post by glenntandh on Oct 16, 2010 1:38:47 GMT
Mind you, TfL London Rail's promise that they would solve overcrowding overnight doesn't seem likely to be fulfilled though! We made No such promise. Nor would any realistic person or organisation. Yet again BGOLUG demonstrates its sensationalist GOBBLEDEGOOK credentials and is it any wonder nobody takes this moribund 'group' seriously any longer. Ah! The “Austin Powers of Butler Place” returns! In 2007 TfL London Rail first announced their intention to provide an all day Monday to Saturday 15-minute frequency service and new 2-car DMUs by December 2009. They have ever since assured BGOLUG that Class 172s would end the chronic peak overcrowding on the Barking-Gospel Oak route. When local press covered our claims that TfL London Rail’s undertakings would be insufficient to deal with the serious peak overcrowding problem, we were attacked by an official TfL spokesperson. Then, and in extensive subsequent correspondence, TfL’s line has always been the same. Each carriage of the new trains would be three metres longer allowing more passengers to be carried and this together with the 15-minute interval service would reduce significantly the peak overcrowding being experienced. If our man of mystery is the “brains” behind TfL London Rail as he purports by his continual use of the royal “we”, he would know this. Just as he claimed to be a former member of BGOLUG, I am afraid that “Tim Dunning” is a myth! LOROL certainly takes us seriously, as this recent email received from their MD Steve Murphy shows:- “Glenn, Thanks for your kind words about our efforts today to get the maximum 172s in service. Its been very hard work but we're pretty much there. As for 150 farewells, the last one heads west in a couple of weeks, we should probably organise something- ill give it some thought and get back to you. Regards, Steve” |
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Post by glenntandh on Oct 16, 2010 2:38:51 GMT
Pray tell why would a 172 have been on a trip to Euston?? Well, both Silverlink and LOROL have stabled T&H DMUs at Euston, but it could have been out on a mileage accumulation or test or training run and on its way back to Willesden TMD via the Kensal Green turnback siding and the Low Level. |
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Post by Chris W on Oct 16, 2010 6:22:06 GMT
ADMIN COMMENT:
We're aware of the continuing disagreement between two members (both have been PM'ed) and are watching the thread
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Post by glenntandh on Oct 19, 2010 19:07:48 GMT
There has been 1xClass 150 out every day since Sunday. Have one or more Class 172s become mechanically deranged? The problem of late running with the Class 172s is not improving, seems down to the convoluted method of door operation. Also drivers seem to treat them with kid gloves, or does it just seem that way due to better sound insulation and ride? Does the different transmission have anything to do with it? Any LOROL train crew care to comment?
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Post by glenntandh on Oct 25, 2010 10:32:36 GMT
Have been advised by LOROL that they anticipate the last Class 150 in LOROL passenger service to on the 18:20 down from Gospel Oak and the 19:02 back up on this Thursday 28 October. No commemoration is planned, LOROL expect that some of their managers may turn up as a mark of respect!
As the person who, back in 1991, first suggested to the Barking-Gospel Oak Line Committee, as it then was, that Class 150s were the only sensible replacement for our clapped out Modernisation Plan DMUs (BR was promoting Pacers!), I will be sorry to see them go. They turned the line around, their reliability bringing the passengers back in droves. I'm sure they will be welcomed in FGW land!
The Class 172s are quite nice but I worry that all the complicated electronic thingies on them might not prove to be very robust!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2010 10:12:47 GMT
On the Goblin user group home page they are claiming that the exhaust issues with the 172s have now been fixed - does anyone have any information on this?
Roll on January and the 4tph timetable. Finally this little line is becoming comfortable and useful.
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Post by harlesden on Oct 26, 2010 10:37:53 GMT
On two or three occasions, I have pulled into Gospel Oak on an EB NLL and seen a Barking train in the platform with his doors still open. As the 378 opens his doors and passengers rush to the other platform, the Barking train shuts his doors and goes before anyone can reach it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2010 11:21:04 GMT
On the Goblin user group home page they are claiming that the exhaust issues with the 172s have now been fixed - does anyone have any information on this? It is in Modern Railways this month |
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Post by glenntandh on Oct 27, 2010 11:58:46 GMT
LOROL have advised that their last Class 150 working will be the following diagram on Thursday 28th October.
The unit will start from Willesden TMD in the morning and stable at East Ham after the peak, then as follows.
Barking 16:05 Gospel Oak 16:40-16:50 Barking 17:26-17:32
Gospel Oak 18:09-18:20 Barking 18:56-19:02 Gospel Oak 19:38
then off to Willesden TMD to pack its bags for the move to the West Country!
LOROL stress that this is not an official farewell so do not guarantee the unit will run. Mind you, Class 172 reliability has not been too good lately so it will probably will run!
Glenn Wallis
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Barking-Gospel Oak Line User Group
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Post by mcmaddog on Oct 27, 2010 12:10:03 GMT
On the Goblin user group home page they are claiming that the exhaust issues with the 172s have now been fixed - does anyone have any information on this? It is in Modern Railways this month There was no fix as such, just that the test parameters were invalid. I think they've found a few tweeks that can be made but otherwise the original approach does work just fine and it was simply that the tests were wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2010 14:48:05 GMT
I had my first trip on a 172 yesterday. What a step up from the 150s! Still, it is remarkable how rattley a diesel engine is when you are used to electrics.
I was surprised that the acceleration wasn't faster, will this be sped up with the new timetable?
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Post by harlesden on Oct 27, 2010 18:25:23 GMT
Slow accelerations seems to be part of the DMU experience. I'm sure I'll experience this next Tuesday evening as I travel from Grimsby Town to Newark Northgate to meet my super fast East Coast train to Kings Cross
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2011 21:57:32 GMT
I was having a good old search through the web for nothing in particular and found that Class 172s have been used as far as Richmond in times of strife. Apologies if it's been on here before. Link: www.flickr.com/photos/juliang2006/5209908622/in/photostream/Do 172s have Overground maps in them now? I can't recall seeing them on photos posted here before. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2011 7:23:47 GMT
I was having a good old search through the web for nothing in particular and found that Class 172s have been used as far as Richmond in times of strife. Apologies if it's been on here before. Link: www.flickr.com/photos/juliang2006/5209908622/in/photostream/Do 172s have Overground maps in them now? I can't recall seeing them on photos posted here before. When I went on that service , I didn't see any maps/adverts in there,also the DMI was turned off and the driver did the manual announcements Loads of surprised looks by the commuters (even once commented on the changing of the gears  ) |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2011 14:04:04 GMT
So 172s ARE tripcock fitted then...
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Post by flippyff on Jan 15, 2011 14:16:54 GMT
Can the LO 172s run paired up?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2011 17:17:17 GMT
Can the LO 172s run paired up? Yes, so it would seem. Watch...... |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 15, 2011 18:43:56 GMT
So 172s ARE tripcock fitted then... why do you say that? Is a tripcock necessary to go on the NLL? I'm sure the freight trains on that line don't have them. |
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Post by edwardfox on Jan 15, 2011 19:06:04 GMT
Can the LO 172s run paired up? Yes, so it would seem. Watch...... I bet those two units will never go that fast again. The Gospel Oak-Barking service always seems deathly slow to me. The stations are not that close together but the train never gets any speed up in my experience. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2011 19:07:36 GMT
So 172s ARE tripcock fitted then... why do you say that? Is a tripcock necessary to go on the NLL? I'm sure the freight trains on that line don't have them. It was pictured at Richmond. The big green railway runs to richmond- note 4th rail. 378s are fitted with tripcocks for this reason. Hence I came to the conclusion that one must have a tripcock to run to Richmond. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2011 19:39:09 GMT
why do you say that? Is a tripcock necessary to go on the NLL? I'm sure the freight trains on that line don't have them. It was pictured at Richmond. The big green railway runs to richmond- note 4th rail. 378s are fitted with tripcocks for this reason. Hence I came to the conclusion that one must have a tripcock to run to Richmond. Thats not true actually, Many trains without tripcocks have run to Richmond D1015 (Western),Thumper, Class 37s on Test Trains,Class 66s on Sandite |
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Post by andypurk on Jan 15, 2011 20:14:18 GMT
why do you say that? Is a tripcock necessary to go on the NLL? I'm sure the freight trains on that line don't have them. It was pictured at Richmond. The big green railway runs to richmond- note 4th rail. 378s are fitted with tripcocks for this reason. Hence I came to the conclusion that one must have a tripcock to run to Richmond. Surely the 378s are fitted with tripcocks for interworking with the Bakerloo line 1972 stock, on the DC lines; so as to protect the little trains from the big ones. The DC line has been fitted with tripcocks from the outset. Both the 501s and 313s also had tripcocks for similar reasons (although the 313s were fitted from new due to signaling arrangements on the Moorgate - Drayton Park line). |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2011 20:22:17 GMT
It was pictured at Richmond. The big green railway runs to richmond- note 4th rail. 378s are fitted with tripcocks for this reason. Hence I came to the conclusion that one must have a tripcock to run to Richmond. Surely the 378s are fitted with tripcocks for interworking with the Bakerloo line 1972 stock, on the DC lines; so as to protect the little trains from the big ones. The DC line has been fitted with tripcocks from the outset. Both the 501s and 313s also had tripcocks for similar reasons (although the 313s were fitted from new due to signaling arrangements on the Moorgate - Drayton Park line). That went straight over my head; I'm being double silly now. Of course. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2011 21:06:56 GMT
The DC line has been fitted with tripcocks from the outset. Is that the case, or were they installed with the LMSR resignalling of c1930? |
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