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Post by happybunny on Mar 10, 2010 0:20:44 GMT
When can we expect to see them? I understood the planned service entry was Feb 10, which has obviously passed.
Are there any in London yet? And has crew training even begun ?
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Post by dazz285 on Mar 10, 2010 4:45:04 GMT
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Post by happybunny on Mar 10, 2010 11:03:45 GMT
Looking at the pictures there it seems as though they have chosen traditional 2+2 facing seating, and retained luggage racks. Also it looks like there will be doors between the carriages.
Why did they decide on these for the 172s? Given that the maximum journey time is much shorter than on the 378s ?
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Post by Oracle on Mar 10, 2010 11:19:26 GMT
It was assumed by an online correspondent, and this is plausible, that in due course the lessors will sell them on/lease them to other TOCs; so rather like silver-painted police cars, they were designed with resaleability in mind. Or re-lettingability! Down here we have 2-car 158s on the Salisbury-Romsey via Southampton service, and from May SSuX Lymington branch. The 172s would be very nice to have, releasing 158s.
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Post by patstonuk on Mar 10, 2010 12:09:16 GMT
It was assumed by an online correspondent, and this is plausible, that in due course the lessors will sell them on/lease them to other TOCs; so rather like silver-painted police cars, they were designed with resaleability in mind. Or re-lettingability! This would certainly seem sensible as surely GOBLIN electrification will take place before LOROL's 172s are life-expired? Not holding my breath, of course!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2010 17:38:54 GMT
Looking at the pictures there it seems as though they have chosen traditional 2+2 facing seating, and retained luggage racks. Also it looks like there will be doors between the carriages. Why did they decide on these for the 172s? Given that the maximum journey time is much shorter than on the 378s ? I think a better question would be "why couldn't the 378s have been designed like the 172s?". Quite why the resaleability issue doesn't seem to apply to the 378s in the way it does with the 172s is a bit beyond me. As were all the reasons for foisting that horrible longitudinal-only seating on the rest of the LO network - only for those same reasons to apparently go flying out the window when it came to the GOBLIN line.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2010 10:08:33 GMT
Quite why the resaleability issue doesn't seem to apply to the 378s in the way it does with the 172s is a bit beyond me. As were all the reasons for foisting that horrible longitudinal-only seating on the rest of the LO network - only for those same reasons to apparently go flying out the window when it came to the GOBLIN line. I suspect the thought was that the 378s will see out their life on the London Overground, while the 172s will be displaced sooner by electrification
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Post by andypurk on Mar 14, 2010 11:18:17 GMT
Quite why the resaleability issue doesn't seem to apply to the 378s in the way it does with the 172s is a bit beyond me. As were all the reasons for foisting that horrible longitudinal-only seating on the rest of the LO network - only for those same reasons to apparently go flying out the window when it came to the GOBLIN line. I suspect the thought was that the 378s will see out their life on the London Overground, while the 172s will be displaced sooner by electrification And because GOBLIN was planned to be electrified prior to 2012, but DfT and TfL couldn't agree on money and so the 172s will be around for a bit longer. Class 378s are supposed to be reseated, with a more conventional design, sometime after the Olympics. This, of course, depends on money being available.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2010 14:24:40 GMT
I suspect the thought was that the 378s will see out their life on the London Overground, while the 172s will be displaced sooner by electrification And because GOBLIN was planned to be electrified prior to 2012, but DfT and TfL couldn't agree on money and so the 172s will be around for a bit longer. Class 378s are supposed to be reseated, with a more conventional design, sometime after the Olympics. This, of course, depends on money being available. Those wretched olympics again. It beggars belief the amount of sacrifices and inconvenience that ordinary Londoners seem to be being made to suffer due to this expensive, two-week extravaganza that they never even asked to have foisted upon them anyway.
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Post by thc on Mar 14, 2010 15:08:40 GMT
Those wretched olympics again. It beggars belief the amount of sacrifices and inconvenience that ordinary Londoners seem to be being made to suffer due to this expensive, two-week extravaganza that they never even asked to have foisted upon them anyway. Daily Mail reader alert. Moan moan whinge whinge. I bet you're great fun at parties! ;D This Londoner cannot wait to have the Olympics and Paralympics here (in your rant you seem to have omitted the latter). It's a great occasion to showcase one of the world's finest cities and a once-in-a-lifetime chance for us to be a part of the Games. I'll be taking time off and volunteering to help and I know several others who will be doing the same. I hope you enjoy your month at home with the curtains shut and the TV off... THC
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Post by andypurk on Mar 14, 2010 17:42:34 GMT
And because GOBLIN was planned to be electrified prior to 2012, but DfT and TfL couldn't agree on money and so the 172s will be around for a bit longer. Class 378s are supposed to be reseated, with a more conventional design, sometime after the Olympics. This, of course, depends on money being available. Those wretched olympics again. It beggars belief the amount of sacrifices and inconvenience that ordinary Londoners seem to be being made to suffer due to this expensive, two-week extravaganza that they never even asked to have foisted upon them anyway. Blame TfL for not specifying a more conventional seating layout which could then be changed for the Olympics. The Olympia Development Authority has given 1/3 of the money for the current works to increase capacity on the North London line as well as contributing to the new platforms at Stratford.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2010 22:11:14 GMT
Those wretched olympics again. It beggars belief the amount of sacrifices and inconvenience that ordinary Londoners seem to be being made to suffer due to this expensive, two-week extravaganza that they never even asked to have foisted upon them anyway. I'd no idea you or I had to be consulted about national sports events tubeflight. A friend of mine has watched his house price sale through the roof as a result of living near Stratford. He told me he's quite prepared to put up with any minor inconvenience (for that is what it is and it won't last forever) as a result. As an ordinary Londoner, I too work around that area as well and can't say I've been massively put out either. The whole borough is being tidied up and if that's a result of the Olympics then it's got to be good. Can't have seen it happen otherwise.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 15, 2010 18:24:17 GMT
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Post by superteacher on Mar 15, 2010 19:25:58 GMT
And because GOBLIN was planned to be electrified prior to 2012, but DfT and TfL couldn't agree on money and so the 172s will be around for a bit longer. Class 378s are supposed to be reseated, with a more conventional design, sometime after the Olympics. This, of course, depends on money being available. Those wretched olympics again. It beggars belief the amount of sacrifices and inconvenience that ordinary Londoners seem to be being made to suffer due to this expensive, two-week extravaganza that they never even asked to have foisted upon them anyway. Typicaly negative attitude, failing to see the massive benefits the Olympics will bring. A chance for the world to see what a great place London is - isn't it funny than it always seems to be certain Londoners that can't see it.
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Post by crystal on Mar 25, 2010 10:05:20 GMT
Daily Mail reader alert. Moan moan whinge whinge. I bet you're great fun at parties! ;D But he is right though. You can't deny that. This Londoner cannot wait to have the Olympics and Paralympics here Why? Why on earth would any Londoner actually want to put up with having them inflicted on us? (in your rant you seem to have omitted the latter). What difference does it make? It's all just more boring sport, and there's already to much of that as it is. The fact that some of the sport has the gimmick of crippled competitors isn't enough to make it interesting. It's a great occasion to showcase one of the world's finest cities Showcase it for what purpose? and a once-in-a-lifetime chance for us to be a part of the Games. But what if we don't want to be part of the games? I'll be taking time off and volunteering to help and I know several others who will be doing the same. But that's silly. You won't be able to avoid the Olympics if you do that. I hope you enjoy your month at home with the curtains shut and the TV off... THC Well, keeping the TV off is pretty-much standard whenever there's an Olympics or World Cup or anything else like that on. It's the only way to avoid them, since they seem to pop up everywhere, with Corrie and Stenders being cancelled and rescheduled at random to make way for them. But we're not even going to be given that option in 2012. And worse, we're expected to pay to make this olympics worse than usual! What the hell have we done to deserve that?
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Post by patstonuk on Mar 31, 2010 17:40:43 GMT
172002 has appeared on the test track at Derby. Thanks to TT for the update.
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Post by happybunny on Mar 31, 2010 22:08:22 GMT
I wonder if the 172s will ever work the NLL as the 150s have been known to !
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Post by astock5000 on Apr 5, 2010 14:59:41 GMT
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Post by dazz285 on Apr 22, 2010 10:11:13 GMT
No too sure if this has been posted, too tired to look. I've heard that a 172 will be arriving at Willesden on Friday.
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Post by patstonuk on Apr 26, 2010 18:23:02 GMT
Reported by a 'Source in Derby' that 172002 will be on the move south tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2010 20:00:13 GMT
Will it come under its own power or towed by locos?
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Post by patstonuk on Apr 27, 2010 14:22:58 GMT
Will it come under its own power or towed by locos? A loco is allocated to run to Derby today with barriers. It should be bringing a 172 south later.
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Post by patstonuk on Apr 27, 2010 19:18:31 GMT
Will it come under its own power or towed by locos? A loco is allocated to run to Derby today with barriers. It should be bringing a 172 south later. It didn't happen! 378202 is on its way instead.
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Post by pippy1505 on Apr 27, 2010 22:41:35 GMT
Path in for 5Z72 1715 Derby Litchurch Lane-Willesden TMD Friday
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Post by patstonuk on May 4, 2010 19:07:31 GMT
Path in for 5Z72 1715 Derby Litchurch Lane-Willesden TMD Friday Path in for today as well and apparently being utilised. 172001 reported on its way to WN this evening.
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Post by carlovel1 on May 4, 2010 21:55:00 GMT
THE FIRST EVER CLASS 172 IS VIDEOED , LOOK BELOW!
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Post by metman on May 4, 2010 22:25:00 GMT
Cool, where was that filmed?
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Post by suncloud on May 4, 2010 22:29:57 GMT
following the link to youtube - west hampstead. You can see a SS stock (presumably A) pass over at the end of the video.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2010 22:02:54 GMT
172 001 arrived at Aylesbury at around 12:35 on Saturday 8th May 2010, stabled in the sidings south of the station for a while before heading back to Willesden during test running. Shot on my site at: www.geoff-plumb.fotopic.net/p64731807.htmlthough not brilliant as it's difficult to photograph this area. Picture taken from an area of public access. Cheers, Geoff
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Post by dazz285 on May 13, 2010 20:03:20 GMT
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