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Post by deadmans on Oct 20, 2009 5:05:17 GMT
Could be busy in the Neasden yard Wednesday morning.
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Post by glasgowdriver on Oct 20, 2009 11:46:30 GMT
why is that i have been on anual leave for 3 weeks and been out the country do explain
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Post by metman on Oct 20, 2009 12:19:39 GMT
Could be busy in the Neasden yard Wednesday morning. ;D oh no  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2009 16:12:16 GMT
First S stock arriving?
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Post by deadmans on Oct 20, 2009 16:21:49 GMT
Keep 29 road free, TRAIN 545 on the way. Along with a large number of funny looking men in vests, all trying to look important and busy. ;D No. We must be serious here. A higher level of security will be in force for the arrival, and a large number of new cameras are now up and running to protect the train, following a nasty graffiti attack inside the sheds a few weeks back. Im on tonight, camera at the ready.  |
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Post by deadmans on Oct 20, 2009 16:22:35 GMT
Could be busy in the Neasden yard Wednesday morning. ;D oh no I feel your pain. |
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Post by metman on Oct 20, 2009 17:06:45 GMT
It's on the move now. My mate in the BTP is looking after it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2009 17:55:06 GMT
The first cog in the downfall of the Met line is here. I've seen this before with the 59 stock on the Northern, the line has never been the same since.
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Post by metman on Oct 20, 2009 18:40:54 GMT
It will finally be the death of the Metropolitan Railway!
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Post by North End on Oct 20, 2009 18:55:31 GMT
The first cog in the downfall of the Met line is here. I've seen this before with the 59 stock on the Northern, the line has never been the same since. There's a lot of people on the Northern Line who still have fond memories of the 59 and in some cases 38 stock. The DMT's office at Camden Town is plastered with photos of 59 and 38 stocks, with not a 95 stock to be seen. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2009 19:13:59 GMT
Nothing lasts forever though does it? I'm no expert on trains and just come on here as I have a general interest but it often seems to me that posters are almost willing new designs and proceedures to fail without giving them a chance. I get as nostalgic as the next man about all the old stock of my youth but realise that those days are gone and aren't coming back. Sure it will be sad to see the end of the A stock and the C stock and finally the D stock but I can also remember people slating the latter when they replaced the R stock, and now they're getting dewey eyed as they enter their final years of duty. I'll wait and see before I judge.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2009 19:33:10 GMT
The first cog in the downfall of the Met line is here. I thought it was actually when the C class [1] arrived. [1] By which I mean the copies of James Stirling's SER Q class 0-4-4T. Bogie stock, Electrification, Dreadnoughts, T stock, Q/O/P stock, A stock are all later cogs ... and I'm sure I've missed a few.  ;D We've all missed the best of it... Or maybe that's yet to come. |
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Post by carlovel1 on Oct 20, 2009 20:04:59 GMT
Finally old A stock going!
YAY!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2009 20:06:43 GMT
I'm glad the A stock is still here abiet in a terrible looking condition, it'l be sad for me considering Iv'e grown up with them being on the met.
going up to metroland on a rockhard L shaped seat at only 40 miles per hour dosent sound like a terrific improvement to me...
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Post by metman on Oct 20, 2009 20:42:58 GMT
Well they look terrible because management are lazy and don't want them to look good so their replacements reflect well.
Thankfully I'll be moving down to Harrow soon so I can use the Chiltern Line to London and then the Bakerloo.
ajax, I've grown up with them too, and I'll miss them lots. They are warm, comfortable and welcoming.
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Post by plasmid on Oct 20, 2009 22:20:16 GMT
I've only been on an A stock once and that was by mistake...even Londoners can get lost in the city! I happened to chose a carriage with the motors and it really made me jump the first time I heard them whine up. Because of this I can't say I'll miss them but they have stood the test of time. Nearly 50 years in service and due for replacement. Quite an interesting looking train to say the least. www.flickr.com/photos/lastarial/3319736990 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2009 2:21:13 GMT
Finally old A stock going! YAY! I take it you're having some sort of laugh. They're the last proper trains LU has now. You'll miss them when they're off the picture...........well I hope you do anyway. |
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Post by carlovel1 on Oct 21, 2009 6:46:05 GMT
Well of course I still have a soft spot for them
NicE seats ,rattely motors ,it's a shame the S stock will have none of these things
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Post by Chris M on Oct 21, 2009 9:28:40 GMT
I take it you're having some sort of laugh. They're the last proper trains LU has now. You'll miss them when they're off the picture...........well I hope you do anyway. No, the A stock replaced the last proper passenger trains on LU. Proper trains consist of a locomotive and coaches, not multiple units. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2009 11:51:01 GMT
Well of course I still have a soft spot for them NicE seats ,rattely motors ,it's a shame the S stock will have none of these things Indeed, sorry if I was a bit harsh before, it had been a long day Chris multiple units are what underground railways are all about! Decent ones anyway......... |
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Post by Chris M on Oct 21, 2009 12:01:21 GMT
Multiple units certainly have their place, but a lot of the opposition to S-stock from Met line passengers has been on the basis that the Metropolitan Line is more like an outer suburban railway than a high volume short distance metro service, and so they should get trains that reflect this status.
My point is that while the A stocks are well designed and built, and were good for their day, I do not see them as being special in the same way that some do. Other than the seating layout, I don't see how the A stock is so different to the C or D stock. Yes, I know this is probably heretical, but I genuinely don't understand the fuss. The A stock has served London well and I agree at least one unit should be preserved for the sake of history and nostalgia, but then I also think this about every other LU stock, and I suspect that in years to come I will be saying exactly the same about the S stock.
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Post by 1938 on Oct 21, 2009 12:10:19 GMT
The first cog in the downfall of the Met line is here. I've seen this before with the 59 stock on the Northern, the line has never been the same since. I had to smile, when back in 1999, the driver on a Northern '59 sarcastically announced “sorry for the delay, this is due to a defective NEW train in front of us”.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2009 12:42:51 GMT
I do not see them as being special in the same way that some do. Other than the seating layout, I don't see how the A stock is so different to the C or D stock You've obviously never driven one. Then you would be able to tell the difference and see how special they are. |
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Post by plasmid on Oct 21, 2009 14:39:08 GMT
Multiple units certainly have their place, but a lot of the opposition to S-stock from Met line passengers has been on the basis that the Metropolitan Line is more like an outer suburban railway than a high volume short distance metro service, and so they should get trains that reflect this status. My point is that while the A stocks are well designed and built, and were good for their day, I do not see them as being special in the same way that some do. Other than the seating layout, I don't see how the A stock is so different to the C or D stock. Yes, I know this is probably heretical, but I genuinely don't understand the fuss. The A stock has served London well and I agree at least one unit should be preserved for the sake of history and nostalgia, but then I also think this about every other LU stock, and I suspect that in years to come I will be saying exactly the same about the S stock. I guess you are aware that each line will have a different seating layout for the new S stock? Met gets more seats than all the other lines in the S stock. You must have seen the diagram at the Upminster open day? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2009 16:24:32 GMT
I do not see them as being special in the same way that some do Well each to their own I suppose, but I work with the A stock every day and they give the Met line a very good atmosphere. Same as on the Northern, when the 95 stock turned up, the whole feeling of the line changed. It went from an interesting line with a real buzz about it, to a plastic, boring, soulless place. I'm seriously worried about the same happening on the Met. I had to smile, when back in 1999, the driver on a Northern '59 sarcastically announced “sorry for the delay, this is due to a defective NEW train in front of us”. Ha ha ;D Nice one! |
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Post by North End on Oct 21, 2009 16:54:11 GMT
Finally old A stock going! YAY! You won't be saying that once the S stock enters service, and Metropolitan Line passengers are subjected to the same downgrade that London Overground passengers are currently having to get used to. |
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Post by metman on Oct 21, 2009 17:53:11 GMT
Yes, agree. I HATE the Northern Line. It has no atmosphere at all. Its not that the new trains are bad, they and the line have no soul and they are very very slow!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2009 18:06:33 GMT
Yes, agree. I HATE the Northern Line. It has no atmosphere at all. Its not that the new trains are bad, they and the line have no soul and they are very very slow! Those 95s can take off a fair rate let me tell you. They're very limited atm. |
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Post by prjb on Oct 21, 2009 18:09:58 GMT
I do not see them as being special in the same way that some do. Other than the seating layout, I don't see how the A stock is so different to the C or D stock You've obviously never driven one. Then you would be able to tell the difference and see how special they are. Does Chris really have to have driven one to form his own personal preference? He is entitled to his opinion regardless of if he is a passenger or a member of staff. Just for the record, I have driven all the sub-surface stock (not to mention quite a few tube trains) and do not think that 'A' Stock is anything special either. |
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Post by prjb on Oct 21, 2009 18:15:58 GMT
Finally old A stock going! YAY! You won't be saying that once the S stock enters service, and Metropolitan Line passengers are subjected to the same downgrade that London Overground passengers are currently having to get used to. Whilst you are entitled to your opinion, I personally (having experienced 'A' Stock and also being extremely familiar with 'S') think you are wrong. Yes there are slightly less seats, we are working to compensate for that by running more trains per hour, but everything else on the 'S' is far superior to an 'A'. How anyone can claim that an 'S' Stock is a downgrade is beyond me, and please don't compare the 'S' to a 378 because the two are not in any way comparable. 'S' is a bespoke build specifically for the Sub-Surface Railway unlike the 378's which are an 'off the shelf' design. |
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