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Post by metman on May 24, 2010 7:13:05 GMT
I'd like to know when the 313s will be leaving the DC line, so I can go on one for the last time.....(on LO anyway!)
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2010 22:02:39 GMT
Class 313 - the poor man's Oerlikon!
I will not miss them I like the look of the Class 378 but their seating arrangements leave a lot to be desired.
Xerces Fobe
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2010 22:55:30 GMT
Class 313 - the poor man's Oerlikon! I will not miss them I like the look of the Class 378 but their seating arrangements leave a lot to be desired. Xerces Fobe I absolutely agree, although they are still relatively reliable they are all well passed their best, they're very sluggish on DC compared to AC. The best 313's are those still to be found on the Moorgate route with their comfortable high backed seating. 313's have served the DC line (and the NLL and WLL) well over the years and I hope they serve their new owners well, but I will personally not miss them. Externally at least, I think the design of the 378 is one of the best new builds we've had in a while. IMO I don't think the seats on the new 378's are really that much harder than those on the 313's (and the seat backs don't fall off and get thrown out of windows), though I must confess I'm not very keen on longitudinal seating. After all is said and done 'New' traction is long overdue on the DC and the sooner it happens the better. Martin |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2010 20:45:53 GMT
378s far superior in design to the (ugly) fronts of the S Stock. But shame about the uncomfortable seats on the 378s. Personal views, of course!
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2010 21:53:00 GMT
I found the 313s on the NLL pretty grim and they were murder when hauling a lot of people. Difficult to get on and off fighting your way past seats and other commuters. 378s on the other hand are spacious, and designed for the job. I couldn't care less about the seats being harder as I very rarely got to sit down on a 313 anyway so it's no loss.
As far as looks are concerned the 378s (and the S stock) are pretty good in my opinion and again a great improvement on the 313s which always looked a bit to skinny from the front!
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Post by astock5000 on May 26, 2010 22:57:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2010 2:28:48 GMT
Also, there doesn't seem to have been a delivery for several weeks. The delivery situation with the 378 appear to be; 378202 378225 378226 378227 378228 378229 378230 All of these have all been delivered to Chart Leacon the last one being 230 on 13th May - not sure if all those units are still at Ashford or if any have gone to New Cross? Well 378225 has been used in service on the ELL now so that one has definitely made it to New Cross  Another delivery from Derby is pencilled in for tonight (Thursday) |
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Post by patstonuk on May 27, 2010 19:04:03 GMT
378231 on its way from Derby this evening. On a different tack, it will be interesting to see how LOROL utilise the 378/2s in the short term. 378225, having escaped from Ashford, seems to be in regular service on the ELL - one might imagine this is to give a little more breathing space to the guys at New Cross Gate as 378140 seems to be a permanent fixture inside the maintenance shed, putting pressure on availability of what is still a new fleet where 18 units (including the nominal spare at Dalston Jn) from 20 are required in service each day. Reports elsewhere suggest the conversion of the DC Lines to 378 operation is a few months away and as the NLL platform extension works are ongoing the 378/2s will be without regular work unless they are rotated through the ELL pool.
I also noticed earlier this week that 378014 was at New Cross Gate depot - having been seen there the previous week as well. Unfortunately I was unable to ascertain the reason for its presence, or what the problem may be with 378140.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2010 17:44:18 GMT
378.225 seen in service today at Forest Hill.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2010 18:15:49 GMT
378231 on its way from Derby this evening. On a different tack, it will be interesting to see how LOROL utilise the 378/2s in the short term. 378225, having escaped from Ashford, seems to be in regular service on the ELL - one might imagine this is to give a little more breathing space to the guys at New Cross Gate as 378140 seems to be a permanent fixture inside the maintenance shed, putting pressure on availability of what is still a new fleet where 18 units (including the nominal spare at Dalston Jn) from 20 are required in service each day. Reports elsewhere suggest the conversion of the DC Lines to 378 operation is a few months away and as the NLL platform extension works are ongoing the 378/2s will be without regular work unless they are rotated through the ELL pool. I also noticed earlier this week that 378014 was at New Cross Gate depot - having been seen there the previous week as well. Unfortunately I was unable to ascertain the reason for its presence, or what the problem may be with 378140. 378140 is back in service....I drove it out the shed towards West Croydon this morning! |
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Post by uzairjubilee on May 29, 2010 11:49:22 GMT
Got a question on the DVA. Why is it that upon departing Canada Water, the DVA will say "Please keep your luggage with you at all times and report anything suspicious to a member of staff", but not at other stations?
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Post by csalem on May 29, 2010 20:08:03 GMT
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Post by andypurk on Jun 1, 2010 14:18:02 GMT
378 226 was at Willesden Depot today.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2010 3:28:12 GMT
313115 currently earmarked for 0619 Wsn - Rmd, 0641 Rmd - Sfd, 0759 Sfd - Clp & 0910 Clp - Wsn
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Post by patstonuk on Jun 7, 2010 11:31:18 GMT
313115 currently earmarked for 0619 Wsn - Rmd, 0641 Rmd - Sfd, 0759 Sfd - Clp & 0910 Clp - Wsn Did this actually take place, and if so, any idea why? Surely not a shortage of 378s given that the DC Lines have still to be switched? |
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Post by andypurk on Jun 7, 2010 19:03:52 GMT
313115 currently earmarked for 0619 Wsn - Rmd, 0641 Rmd - Sfd, 0759 Sfd - Clp & 0910 Clp - Wsn Did this actually take place, and if so, any idea why? Surely not a shortage of 378s given that the DC Lines have still to be switched? I don't know if the 313 trip happened, but there was a pair of 378s out on the DC lines this morning. I was most surprised to see 378 023 and 378 017 coupled together heading south (not in service I might add) at Harrow & Wealdstone at about 10.25. I'm used to seeing the odd single unit running about, but not a pair. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2010 21:35:28 GMT
Hi,
Does anyone know where 378001 and 378002 are hiding? The remainder of the the 378/0 fleet have been regularly seen in service but I have never seen 001/2, surely they're around somewhere!
Martin
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Post by andypurk on Jun 7, 2010 22:11:41 GMT
Hi, Does anyone know where 378001 and 378002 are hiding? The remainder of the the 378/0 fleet have been regularly seen in service but I have never seen 001/2, surely they're around somewhere! Martin 002 has been delivered as a four coach unit (number 202). This was reported earlier in the thread. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2010 22:13:47 GMT
Hi, Does anyone know where 378001 and 378002 are hiding? The remainder of the the 378/0 fleet have been regularly seen in service but I have never seen 001/2, surely they're around somewhere! Martin They don't exist  378002 was delivered straight as a 4 car unit - 378202 - to Chart Leacon about a month ago. 378001 is still at Derby and will also be delivered as a 4 car unit, this hasn't happened yet though |
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Post by patstonuk on Jun 8, 2010 11:56:37 GMT
Hi, Does anyone know where 378001 and 378002 are hiding? The remainder of the the 378/0 fleet have been regularly seen in service but I have never seen 001/2, surely they're around somewhere! Martin They don't exist 378002 was delivered straight as a 4 car unit - 378202 - to Chart Leacon about a month ago. 378001 is still at Derby and will also be delivered as a 4 car unit, this hasn't happened yet though 378202 is reported as being hauled back to Derby from Ashford as I type!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2010 23:32:51 GMT
Thanks for all the replies.
So will 378202 will be unique as the only 378/2 never to have actually been a 378/0?
I know that 001 was the first one ever to arrive and begin trials/testing last year.
Martin
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Post by astock5000 on Jun 9, 2010 16:01:25 GMT
So will 378202 will be unique as the only 378/2 never to have actually been a 378/0? I know that 001 was the first one ever to arrive and begin trials/testing last year. 378002 was tested at Derby before it was converted to a 378/2, and units 225 - 234 / 255 - 257 were never 378/0s, so 378002 was the only 378/0 that didn't run in London before conversion to a 378/2. |
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Post by patstonuk on Jun 15, 2010 7:22:14 GMT
Reported elsewhere that 378008 and 378010 were taken from Willesden to Derby yesterday for insertion of their 4th cars.
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Post by dazz285 on Jun 15, 2010 16:09:10 GMT
I'll ask at work tomorrow and get back to the forum...
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Post by geebeezed on Jun 15, 2010 17:48:45 GMT
T'was indeed 8 and 10... 11:35 departure... Should be an 8 car coming south this week for Ashford as well...
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Post by astock5000 on Jun 18, 2010 23:51:26 GMT
378226 has entered service on the East London line.
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Post by flippyff on Jun 19, 2010 14:37:15 GMT
378226 has entered service on the East London line. It's been out for the last two weeks or so - first noted by me in service on the 6th June. Simon |
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Post by patstonuk on Nov 9, 2010 11:56:45 GMT
Confirmation in Today's Railways (UK) December issue that construction of the final three (255-257) is underway at Derby, with delivery to LOROL anticipated early 2011.
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Post by astock5000 on Nov 9, 2010 13:03:39 GMT
Is 378234 still at Derby?
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Post by patstonuk on Nov 9, 2010 13:40:41 GMT
Is 378234 still at Derby? It appears so. Seems odd. |
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