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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2010 22:45:12 GMT
Vitesse, I do not know about the OFF indicators as I have yet to travel over the ELL. As you say though mirrors would not work. As to monitors, why did they not go for platform mounted cameras sending an image to the in cab monitors as they do on the Northern line stock? I personally though have not had a lot to do with the cab monitors and side cameras apart from watching the punters board and alight. I have not watched them as though I was having to close the doors.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2010 10:17:53 GMT
I see that Caroline Pidgeon will be asking Boris the following questions about the 378s (amongst others) at Mayor's Question Time today: New trains on London Overground (4) Question No: 591 / 2010 Caroline Pidgeon Do the new trains and infrastructure on London Overground combined meet the requirements for safe driver only operation with passengers on board as required by the rules of the railway? New trains on London Overground (5) Question No: 592 / 2010 Caroline Pidgeon If there are issues with driver-only operation of these new trains, what is the cost and programme for rectifying this? New trains on London Overground (6) Question No: 593 / 2010 Caroline Pidgeon Are you satisfied that the new trains to be used on the East London Line are able to carry passengers safely with the infrastructure and design as currently installed? New trains on London Overground (7) Question No: 594 / 2010 Caroline Pidgeon What is the potential impact on the opening of the East London Line of any adaptions required to the new trains scheduled to operate on this line? New trains on London Overground (8) Question No: 595 / 2010 Caroline Pidgeon Can the new trains on London Overground operate safely with just a driver at the current time? The response will be interesting. Full details here: legacy.london.gov.uk/assembly/assemmtgs/2010/mqtfeb24/item05.pdf |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2010 22:03:35 GMT
I have a very novel idea that is as old as the railways themselves!
Instead of worrying about the cameras, Instead of worrying about Mirrors, Instead of worrying about the safety of the scheme, Instead of training all the station staff to do dispatch duties.
Hows about that very old idea of having on board member of staff, that are currently trained to operate the trains in a safe manner, are trained to do safe train dispatch, are there to help passengers out and most importantly are there on board should anything go wrong.
That person in old railway terminology use to called a 'G U A R D' they are now called 'C O N D U C T O R S'
What about that as a solution?
Suprised no one has picked it up before
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Post by Chris M on Feb 25, 2010 0:06:05 GMT
If there is forward-facing CCTV, could this image be shown in the rear cab while in platforms so the guard can observe it from there?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2010 9:42:55 GMT
Hows about that very old idea of having on board member of staff, that are currently trained to operate the trains in a safe manner, are trained to do safe train dispatch, are there to help passengers out and most importantly are there on board should anything go wrong. I think it could work. Surprised no one has thought of it before though |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2010 9:43:17 GMT
If there is forward-facing CCTV, could this image be shown in the rear cab while in platforms so the guard can observe it from there? No forward facing cameras on 378s |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2010 12:17:00 GMT
Keith, couldnt agree more with you. Especially with the Thames tunnel as in the highly unlikely event of some major catastrophe i.e. a fire at the middle of the train a member of staff would then be available at both ends to safely evacuate, as it would stand now if that were to happen you'd just have to pray that passengers would be able to use the rear egress to evacuate themselves as there is no way to get to them. I do feel that DOO is a bit of a step backwards in terms of safety and company public image, customer interaction and staff presence is reassuring to the travelling public Are you as concerned about Underground trains? Were you nervous going through the Thames Tunnel on A Stock? Would you like to see the return of guards on all tube trains...? |
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Post by dazz285 on Feb 25, 2010 17:05:37 GMT
Just thought I'd drop you guys a note to say that 378151 is now at Willesden Tmd..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2010 17:32:52 GMT
Keith, couldnt agree more with you. Especially with the Thames tunnel as in the highly unlikely event of some major catastrophe i.e. a fire at the middle of the train a member of staff would then be available at both ends to safely evacuate, as it would stand now if that were to happen you'd just have to pray that passengers would be able to use the rear egress to evacuate themselves as there is no way to get to them. I do feel that DOO is a bit of a step backwards in terms of safety and company public image, customer interaction and staff presence is reassuring to the travelling public Are you as concerned about Underground trains? Were you nervous going through the Thames Tunnel on A Stock? Would you like to see the return of guards on all tube trains...? I think Vitesse that the way these questions are put, it maybe wise not to answer them on the basis of your position as iy would pear there is a little mischief making in the tone of the question. I will answer the questions though. Are you as concerned about Underground trains? I am always concerned when i travel on any train that only has one member of staff on board, but as a member of safety critical staff i am trained to deal in emergency situations should it ever arise. Were you nervous going through the Thames Tunnel on A stock? Not particularly, however i felt much safer when i did it on 1938 stock! Would you like to see the return guards on all tube trains? Well as Guard myself i would say yes i would like to see them return, at least when tube trains get stuck in a Tunnel for upto hours on end at least the driver has another member of staff he can rely to assist the the passengers off rather then having to cope with upto a thousand people all trying to leave at the same and from the same direction. We have been very fortunate in this country where trains operating in DOO have not been involved in an accident where the only member of staff is incapacitated. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2010 19:20:01 GMT
I think Vitesse that the way these questions are put, it maybe wise not to answer them on the basis of your position as iy would pear there is a little mischief making in the tone of the question. More incredulity to be honest, but hey... |
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Post by patstonuk on Feb 25, 2010 19:20:48 GMT
378023 on its way to Ashford from Derby this evening and reported that 378151 is to transfer from WN to NXG later, accompanied by a 378/0 as far as Kenny O. Thanks to FK and AM respectively.
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Post by astock5000 on Feb 26, 2010 0:16:11 GMT
Why is 378023 being delivered to Ashford instead of Willesden?
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Post by jakehn54 on Feb 26, 2010 1:16:12 GMT
Could it be mileage accumulation?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2010 3:30:29 GMT
Why is 378023 being delivered to Ashford instead of Willesden? I believe all the remaining 378/0s are being delivered to Chart Leacon and mileage accumulation and commissioning being done by GBRf drivers instead of LOROL drivers at Willesden. This started with 378021 two weeks ago (378020 was taken down there too after initially being delivered to Willesden ) |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2010 10:36:13 GMT
With effect Sat 27th Feb, all NLL & WLL diagrams covered by 378's.
SX - 10
SO - 8
SuO - 2
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2010 18:57:30 GMT
Have any (many?) crept onto the Euston - Watford service yet on a regular basis?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2010 19:09:02 GMT
DC to be covered by 6 x 313 diagrams................UFN
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2010 19:27:16 GMT
OK. Many thanks.
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Post by astock5000 on Feb 26, 2010 22:24:13 GMT
I believe all the remaining 378/0s are being delivered to Chart Leacon and mileage accumulation and commissioning being done by GBRf drivers instead of LOROL drivers at Willesden. This started with 378021 two weeks ago (378020 was taken down there too after initially being delivered to Willesden ) Is 378022 at Willesden or Ashford? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2010 23:42:14 GMT
I believe all the remaining 378/0s are being delivered to Chart Leacon and mileage accumulation and commissioning being done by GBRf drivers instead of LOROL drivers at Willesden. This started with 378021 two weeks ago (378020 was taken down there too after initially being delivered to Willesden ) Is 378022 at Willesden or Ashford? Ashford - it was out on commissioning runs today. Also as reported earlier 378151 did make the move to New Cross Gate last night after its de-icing duties - meaning all 20 ELL units are one big happy family! |
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Post by suncloud on Feb 28, 2010 10:07:16 GMT
Is this because it's no longer expected that de-icing duties are required, or that something else is now available to fulfill that role if it becomes neccesary...
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Post by dazz285 on Feb 28, 2010 11:29:06 GMT
"this because it's no longer expected that de-icing duties are required" probably....
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Post by astock5000 on Feb 28, 2010 22:57:01 GMT
Will any dual voltage 378s be fitted with de-icing equipment?
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Post by metman on Feb 28, 2010 23:57:01 GMT
....and are any 313s fitted with de-icing gear?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2010 0:06:29 GMT
....and are any 313s fitted with de-icing gear? No |
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Post by patstonuk on Mar 9, 2010 19:05:27 GMT
378004 reported on its way from Derby to Ashford this evening. Confirmed that it has reverted to 3-car formation following its previous visit.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2010 19:02:54 GMT
Saw a class 378 yesterday that already has graffiti on it!
it was a nasty big blue tag, covering a large section of the front of the train.
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Post by astock5000 on Mar 14, 2010 22:31:58 GMT
378003 is in service:
378019 was delivered over a month ago, so it should have entered service by now. Does anyone know if it has?
Also, have any of the units at Ashford finished testing yet?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2010 0:04:59 GMT
Two units were done as well as Richmond box, that should give you a clue as to where it was done units 16 & i think 18. I know it was defo 16 as i worked it on that morning. What was strange is that i have had unit swops with hardly a hint of graffiti yet they let 16 stay in service all through the morning, then they allowed it fo be displayed at Richmond again for all to see. Normally units are taken out of service immediatly because of the companies KPI regime, however despite having a shed full of 378s these two units ran all day.
Also worked number 3 unit last week, the first time i had seen it since having my mug shot taken with it at Derby in December 2008.
I also worked on unit 19 but cant tell you what day it was.......... sorry.
BTW i was the Conductor on unit 11 in your film. I know as i saw you filming it as we left...............
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